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Mass Effect 3: From Ashes not on Disc.


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DaveSimonH wrote...

jameshawking wrote...

From Ashes is entirely on disc. You can actually change a bit of coding on the vanilla game to unlock the DLC without buying it.

gg.


The character from the dlc is on ths disc, but the missions etc are in the download.


No its entirely on the disk.  I bought the game, then downloaded the No-CD crack so that I wouldn't have to use the Origin bull**** and error messages on a machine with no internet.  The DLC is completely playable and all content is present without downloading anything.

I'm quite sure of it, I got jarvik, all his conversations on thesia, etc without ever connecting to the internet.  Its possible the "download" fixes or adds something, but its not jarvik or any of his dialog or missions.  The entire character and all his content is already on the game disk.

Hope that clarifies things.  

On a side note, I hate this Origin bull****.  I don't want to install some EA crap just to play a game.  ME2 did things correctly with a simple download if I had internet access for more content. 

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lonedude73

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for f*** sake jarvik is not important. He doesn't know how to built the crucible, doesn't help with military
strength, and doesn't know what is the catalyst.

All he can do is shoot, and make fun of everyone.

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lonedude73 wrote...

for f*** sake jarvik is not important. He doesn't know how to built the crucible, doesn't help with military
strength, and doesn't know what is the catalyst.

All he can do is shoot, and make fun of everyone.


That goes for all of your other squadmates as well. Well, except maybe the making fun of everybody part.

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What happened to the good old days where you would complete more of the game or finish it at a certain time with a certain percentage which would then lead to a reward. Don't give me only ending options, I want to earn these costumes or extra missions by playing not "paying." Also these game companies need to stop releasing unfinished games for money.

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And yet Enki we have theads going on of people begging for ending dlc and saying that they will pay....this doesn't bode well for the future of games.

Ever played the flash game upgrade complete? That's where we are heading but w/ real cash....

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I honestly don't care about this issue, but I make a lot of money. Endings however....

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lonedude73 wrote...

for f*** sake jarvik is not important. He doesn't know how to built the crucible, doesn't help with military
strength, and doesn't know what is the catalyst.

All he can do is shoot, and make fun of everyone.


As opinionated as your statement may be, that's not the point, I don't think. The point is that we keep getting lied to. It's the principle of the matter.

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The thing that really gets me is how he "wasn't planned for the main game" yet if you look at the rest of the cast you'll see he's the only one who fills the Vanguard role.
ME 1 had
Ashley-Soldier
Kaidan-Sentinel
Garrus-Infiltrator
Tali-Engineer
Wrex-Vanguard
Liara-Adept

ME 2 had people who were more or less combinations of existing classes but you still got full representation from the characters being that there was 12 of them.

ME 3 though show's that somethings off.
Ashley-Soldier
James-Soldier
Kaidan-Sentinel
Garrus-Infiltrator
Tali-Engineer
EDI-I dont know, maybe a Infiltrator/Engineer hybrid
Javik-Vanguard.
Liara-Adept
If you let Kaiden die that means Liara and a biotic Shepard are your only two biotics. Why the sudden unbalancing? So many things Bioware have said don't add up.

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Props to Bioware for selling an incomplete game and then lying.

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Rorschachinstein wrote...

Props to Bioware for selling an incomplete game and then lying.


I hear you...its a well played scam. Their response (lies) to this is not even logically sound...for reasons I already described in detail earlier..

Terrible ending that players have no control over?....I can manage somewhat, as I won't support them with my money in the future...
Bioware PR lying to gamers and trying to cover their greedy/unethical business model?....Totally unacceptable. Great way to finish what used to be a terrific game trilogy...

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goten11756 wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Props to Bioware for selling an incomplete game and then lying.


I hear you...its a well played scam. Their response (lies) to this is not even logically sound...for reasons I already described in detail earlier..

Terrible ending that players have no control over?....I can manage somewhat, as I won't support them with my money in the future...
Bioware PR lying to gamers and trying to cover their greedy/unethical business model?....Totally unacceptable. Great way to finish what used to be a terrific game trilogy...


I think all of this was accidental. But it's brutal to know they went through with it

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lonedude73 wrote...

for f*** sake jarvik is not important. He doesn't know how to built the crucible, doesn't help with military
strength, and doesn't know what is the catalyst.

All he can do is shoot, and make fun of everyone.


We purchased the game.

He is part of the game, and the disc, from day one.

Like HELL he isn't important.

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Faceless Minion wrote...

lonedude73 wrote...

for f*** sake jarvik is not important. He doesn't know how to built the crucible, doesn't help with military
strength, and doesn't know what is the catalyst.

All he can do is shoot, and make fun of everyone.


We purchased the game.

He is part of the game, and the disc, from day one.

Like HELL he isn't important.


Who do I believe, the person who owns the DLC and has played through it or the conspiracy nut crying that hes important...

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truedark wrote...

Who do I believe, the person who owns the DLC and has played through it or the conspiracy nut crying that hes important...


Picking out the worst argument and dismissing it does not negate all other arguments. People have pointed out multiple times that Javik's appearance, class, and lore are all important to the game in some way. That is more than can be said for some squadmates (e.g. Garrus, James Vega), not that those squadmates aren't important to the game and its atmosphere, but the Prothean is simply slightly more important.

Taking him out and selling him to us instead is a horrible thing to do. I won't accept such practices...

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How can Bioware screw things soo badly??? this game was supposed to be epic, but not in the "Epic Fail Ending" way

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I just hope more is done with DLC than just adding a couple new characters like what happened with Mass Effect 2. And I sure hope you do more than what you guys did with Dragon Age II! DLC in that game is laughable.

I want Mass Effect 3 to be expanded upon. I don't even care if it's just spin-off missions that are completely irrelevant to the main plot itself. I just want it to be expanded. And I want there to be more to it than just a few extra squad members. Yes, the game has limited squad members compared to Mass Effect 2, but I'd love to see new mechanics be put to use and just stuff that's going to make my jaw drop.

I really appreciate what you guys did with "From Ashes", but I believe more could of been done. It's nice you guys gave alternate appearance models for all the crew members, added a new character with a ton of extra dialogue, added a new weapon, and all that jazz, but the actual mission itself was... disappointing.

And, dare I bring up day one DLC? You guys know you did wrong and you know From Ashes should of been included with every new copy of Mass Effect 3 just as you did with the Cerberus Network in Mass Effect 2. Not everyone has $80+ to drop on a game, let alone to be able to pre-order a collector's edition to be able to get their hands on a copy. And I'll be darned if I'm going to drop $60 on a video game, then turn around and drop another $10 just to be able to have the complete game. The way that Back to Karkand was done with Battlefield 3 was fine. A code was included with all new copies of the game that unlocked the expansion pack. But this crap is just unbelievable. You could have at least waited a couple weeks, then released it. It wouldn't of been as bad waiting a couple weeks to buy the DLC Rather than the first freaking day.

I'm really disappointed BioWare. I thought you were better than that.

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lololol funny :P but somewhat it is the TRUTH *cough*   :ph34r:

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truedark wrote...

Faceless Minion wrote...

lonedude73 wrote...

for f*** sake jarvik is not important. He doesn't know how to built the crucible, doesn't help with military
strength, and doesn't know what is the catalyst.

All he can do is shoot, and make fun of everyone.


We purchased the game.

He is part of the game, and the disc, from day one.

Like HELL he isn't important.


Who do I believe, the person who owns the DLC and has played through it or the conspiracy nut crying that hes important...


Watch the gameplay videos on Youtube, take the prothean to the asari homeworld and click on items in the museum.

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hes fully integated, but not vital to the storyline. Hell, anyone with a sense of history could have told you that, considering how the universe was mocked up, the Asari likely worshiped the Protheans without knowing they were Prothean.

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Watching videos such as this and this, can anyone honestly say that Javik is not important to the story and game?

LinksOcarina wrote...

hes fully integated, but not vital to the storyline. Hell, anyone with a sense of history could have told you that, considering how the universe was mocked up, the Asari likely worshiped the Protheans without knowing they were Prothean.


Neither is Garrus, yet I'd like to see anyone argue he's not vital to the game, or even the story.

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Aulis Vaara wrote...

Watching videos such as this and this, can anyone honestly say that Javik is not important to the story and game?

LinksOcarina wrote...

hes fully integated, but not vital to the storyline. Hell, anyone with a sense of history could have told you that, considering how the universe was mocked up, the Asari likely worshiped the Protheans without knowing they were Prothean.


Neither is Garrus, yet I'd like to see anyone argue he's not vital to the game, or even the story.



What did he add to the table other than more layers to the Prothean Lore? 

See, one thing Mass Effect 3 did was lower the amount of historical investigation that occured. You can't just go up to people and ask them about their history or culture anymore, you can't get a sense of the geo-political situations with the races through random investigational talks. Instead, its mostly catching up, finding out info, asking about family and how they are being affected in this war.

Javik is a throwback in many ways to game one; you finally learn that the protheans were not the cultural renissance that you expected them to be. You learn about their imperialistic nature, their arrogance as a race; something that was more or less alluded to in game one and two but never outright said. 

Javik adds dimensions to the lore, but has little to do with the story. There is a fundamental difference here on the two. Javiks interactions with Liara are great bits, but its mostly pertaining to what Liara knows as a scholar, and what Javik knows as a Prothean. The whole scene on Thessia is a great extra, but Liara comes to the same conclusion without Javik. It just sounds better with him there.

This is something that a lot of players need to understand; Javik is not integral to the plot of Mass Effect 3, but he is integral to the lore of Mass Effect 3. Both of them are somewhat intertwined, but considering everything Javik says and does, he is strictly lore-based information over plot-based information, as we saw when he had no answers regarding plot elements. 

As for Garrus, he is vital to the story by virtue of the fact of being involved in the story. His arc; becoming a leader under the tutalege of Shepard, concludes in 3 after taking a turn in 2. Garrus comes full circle and finally has responsabilites and makes decisions on his own without second guessing them. He is also part of the story because he is involved in the main plot, albiet indirectly as one of the few Turians who was working to help his kind be prepared for the Reapers. So Garrus is the opposite of Javik, he brings little to the Turian lore, but he is important to the story because of the comraderie with Shepard and his arc as a character.

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Kaloneous wrote...

I am tired of hearing this tirade against BioWare, though I respect others views on their gaming experience. The DLC thing is inconsequential and I have complete faith in BioWare with regards to the ending and strategy for any future DLC. (that may add to the ending story). I don't know if anyone at BioWare will even read this post but I applaud you for the fantastic game, utterly breathtaking story (and the stories to come) and the ability to continually surprise your fans. Anyone who doubts BioWare will have egg on their face in time to come but in the end only time will show just how far ahead of the (proverbial) game BioWare are. Have patience everyone and it will be rewarded beyond anything you can imagine.


I agree. The immaturity of gamers I've witnessed since launch is mindblowing. Sure, some good things have come of it, and it's cool to see gamers rallying around a single cause. It makes me sad that the only thing all this hatemongering will do is discourage future innovation in the gaming business. And yes, I say business, because all that talented voice acting, animation, storywriting takes a great deal of time, management, and money. The trend nowadays is to think everyone's screwing us over. I think we're really just screwing ourselves over, doomed to a future of predictability and minimal risk-taking. 

I gladly support you Bioware, and trust you'll come through with a big finish, even if things are hazy now.  Just like any relationship, it's the ones we love the most that cut the most deeply. Here's to hoping this debacle doesn't prevent your future games from being as influential on the industry as the Mass Effect universe has been.

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LinksOcarina wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Watching videos such as this and this, can anyone honestly say that Javik is not important to the story and game?

LinksOcarina wrote...

hes fully integated, but not vital to the storyline. Hell, anyone with a sense of history could have told you that, considering how the universe was mocked up, the Asari likely worshiped the Protheans without knowing they were Prothean.


Neither is Garrus, yet I'd like to see anyone argue he's not vital to the game, or even the story.



Javik is a throwback in many ways to game one; you finally learn that the protheans were not the cultural renissance that you expected them to be. You learn about their imperialistic nature, their arrogance as a race; something that was more or less alluded to in game one and two but never outright said. 

Javik adds dimensions to the lore, but has little to do with the story. There is a fundamental difference here on the two. Javiks interactions with Liara are great bits, but its mostly pertaining to what Liara knows as a scholar, and what Javik knows as a Prothean. The whole scene on Thessia is a great extra, but Liara comes to the same conclusion without Javik. It just sounds better with him there.

This is something that a lot of players need to understand; Javik is not integral to the plot of Mass Effect 3, but he is integral to the lore of Mass Effect 3. Both of them are somewhat intertwined, but considering everything Javik says and does, he is strictly lore-based information over plot-based information, as we saw when he had no answers regarding plot elements. 



Well said... it leads to a more streamlined game, just like the decisions they made regarding dialogue choices and banter.

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LinksOcarina wrote...

What did he add to the table other than more layers to the Prothean Lore? 


Another important biotic squadmate.

LinksOcarina wrote...

It just sounds better with him there.


It doesn't "just" sound better. It sounds so much better that it was obvious he was supposed to be there. And without him, it sounds like something is seriously missing there. I was happy to go through the game without him, but when I got there, it pissed me off all over again.

LinksOcarina wrote...

Javik is not integral to the plot of Mass Effect 3, but he is integral to the lore of Mass Effect 3.


He is important to both. Or is the fact that we are only fighting this war because of the Protheans suddenly irrelevant? Is it not so that we are fighting this war as much for them as for every other species still alive. Are we not trying to make them proud? Making their sacrifices worthwhile?

LinksOcarina wrote...

As for Garrus, he is vital to the story by virtue of the fact of being involved in the story. His arc; becoming a leader under the tutalege of Shepard, concludes in 3 after taking a turn in 2. Garrus comes full circle and finally has responsabilites and makes decisions on his own without second guessing them. He is also part of the story because he is involved in the main plot, albiet indirectly as one of the few Turians who was working to help his kind be prepared for the Reapers. So Garrus is the opposite of Javik, he brings little to the Turian lore, but he is important to the story because of the comraderie with Shepard and his arc as a character.


How is Javik not "involved in the story" ? How is Garrus' character arc any more important than that of Javik? How does Javik not come full circle for fighting and defeating the enemy he was born to fight and defeat, avenging his entire species in the process? How does Javik not have a unique relationship with Shepard, much different from Garrus' but no less important?