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[tvih]

My personal take on this whole Day 1 DLC thing, not that it's relevant...

It doesn't really matter if it's on the disc or not. And so what if there character and some other things are on the disc, when in fact the actual mission content etc apparently isn't? Is it really any wonder they have the character itself made before the other team does the actual content of the DLC?

That aside, my personal issue with DLCs, day 1 or no, is generally speaking the price. DLCs have generally what, maybe 2 hours of gameplay? The price to content ratio compared to the core game is just silly. For example I paid 36 euros for ME3. Save game says 37 hours played to finish the game once, plus all the time I spent wiping in hard fights, plus of course hours of multiplayer so far, with more to come. The DLC? 10 euros for maybe two hours, perhaps even less? Sheesh. Sure there's extra development costs, but hardly that high considering the core of the game is already there, complete. It's fairly straightforward stuff to make a DLC mission by comparison. With 10 euros I can buy entire games - legitly - with hours and hours of gameplay.

However, with that said, it's of course entirely their right to ask for however much they want for their product(s). But I personally don't feel the extra content justifies the extra cost for me, and thus I pass on it. Obviously others can feel differently.

[Thanatos144]

Who ever said Bioware had to give you guys anything other than what they wanted?????? to many seem they are owed something when the fact is they are not owed a dang thing. You dont like the idea of paying for the DLC? Dont buy it just stop whining that it is there. I bought the DLC I like the DLC I found it worth my $9.99.

On a side note I havent finished the game yet cause I was on my honeymoon the week it came out so would you people please stop talking about the end of the game in threads Not about it?

Modifié par Thanatos144, 18 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[fishboy11]

Most people are mad because they lied and said theres no part of the dlc on the disks and that they didnt start working on it till after the game was finished, which both have been proven to be lies, the actual prothean and his dialogue is on the disk and they make you pay to access him, plus theres full voice acting for him on every mission in the game that you take him on, which both prove the dlc was worked on before the game was finished and quite a bit of it is already on the disk, the only thing the actual dlc seems to have is that one very short mission, everything else is on the disk and was worked on before the game was finished.

[j78]

To add insult to injury, the app apparently also reveals that the much contested day-one DLC pack, From Ashes, was, in fact, originally intended to be a part of the main game before time constraints caused the team to convert it to DLC instead http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

[Thanatos144]

And if they did decide to makeit a dlc after parts were on the disk? So what? It is their game

[Deflagratio]

I prefer it as DLC, that way I don't have to use such an out-of-place character.

I'm sure they did the best they could with Javik, but reach exceeding grasp here. There is no way in my mind to make a living Prothean fit in. You'd walk around with him on every mission, and have 2,000 people up your ass in awe or shock.

[LinksOcarina]

Deflagratio wrote...

I prefer it as DLC, that way I don't have to use such an out-of-place character.

I'm sure they did the best they could with Javik, but reach exceeding grasp here. There is no way in my mind to make a living Prothean fit in. You'd walk around with him on every mission, and have 2,000 people up your ass in awe or shock.

Well, they do do that. Its just not as much or as noticable as you would think.

[Rabidlamb]

The team that was working on the dlc after it went gold should have been working on a patch so we got a day one patch instead of day one dlc.

[sartt]

From The ashes ALREADY ON DISC. ( PC version )

[ryuasiu]

 No...No its not new content and it is on the disc. Theres a youtube video showing how if you change a line in an INI file it unlocks the DLC without downloading it so atleast half or so of the code has to be on the disk. As far as size it could be fluffer or could be just the mission is not on the disc. But for the sake of argument lets just say that the content on the disc is basicly content half done and the download is from them finishing it. Ok, thats fine, but they charged $10 for the other half they finished. had they charged 5 dollars or whatever they charged for overlord and kasumi I wouldnt have an issue with that. But they charge $10 for content they already had half finished AND filled in alot of the story. Oh, and lets also keep in mind that the mission itself is only like 25, maybe 30 min. Zeed's mission was longer then that and he was cheaper.

[Atakuma]

Rabidlamb wrote...

The team that was working on the dlc after it went gold should have been working on a patch so we got a day one patch instead of day one dlc.

There was a day one patch.

[ryuasiu]

Deflagratio wrote...

I prefer it as DLC, that way I don't have to use such an out-of-place character.

I'm sure they did the best they could with Javik, but reach exceeding grasp here. There is no way in my mind to make a living Prothean fit in. You'd walk around with him on every mission, and have 2,000 people up your ass in awe or shock.

In mass effect 1 they explained a few things so if you remembered that from the game It is less unusual.

Also people pointing that out when hes on the [REDACTED]. And lets just say there is a certain blue somebody that was extremely estatic about meeting him as well.

[Atakuma]

Since his dialogue is really the only thing on the disc, I'm inclined to believe that they only started working on his cutscenes and the mission after the game was finished. That doesn't make this statement any less disingenuous though, since part of it was in fact on the disc.

It makes me sad to see Bioware digging it's own grave.

[Travie]

Just a friendly reminder to anyone just browsing...

You CAN unlock the prothean without getting any of the useless DLC stuff.

The prothean is the only thing in the DLC that was really worth it anyway, unless you like a small 1/2 hour mission and some armor skins.

[Sezarious]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BrazenBoozer wrote...

many people feel that if DLC was planned for a long time before the game went into certification and if it is ready before the game even launches, it should be a part of the core game and shouldn't cost any extra money. This is a legitimate opinion

No it isn't.

If it was budgeted independently, developed independently, and finished independently, it is perfectly legitimate to charge for it separately.  Especially if, and this is the key here, it wouldn't have been planned for or developed at all had there not been an expectation of additional revenue attached to it.

The idea of a "complete game" is a myth perpetuated by angry gamers to justify their desire for more free stuff that costs money, resources, and manpower to produce.  

It's not just EA or Capcom or whoever saying this.  

Tons of things are planned and get cut from games during development, should everything that was once cut and might be implemented at a later date for a fee be considered part of the "complete" game?  It's an arbitrary, selfish distinction that allows players to pretend that they're victims.

I can understand that for extra "filler" content, but i think the biggest thing fans are concerned about is the idea that Bioware are actualy going to charge for an expansion on the ending that brings the closure etc.  That would be kind of sad.

[Aulis Vaara]

The biggest things people are angry about are

1. The lies surrounding this DLC (and other things). Several lies have been told and people don't appreciate being lied to, whether it's saying that the DLC is not on the disc, or that the Prothean is not important to the game.

2. The DLC is clearly too expensive for what we get (this DLC doesn't even come close to being 1/6th of the game). On top of that, since there is no middleman, there are very few costs to the distribution of the DLC, yet we're paying much more than the regular game by comparison. I don't know how people justify this in their heads when they buy, but I think it should at least disappoint you.

3. The fact that it's day one DLC means that it's basically a hidden cost to the game. Rather than the game costing 60$ as advertised, it actually costs 70$, especially if you're a fan who wants the Prothean squadmate because of his significance to the lore.

4. It's a Prothean! People have said: "He's not important to the plot, he's only lore." But really, this is first of all a character driven game, so the characters are vital to the experience. And secondly, if lore was so unimportant in games, we'd still be shooting at things without any explanation as to why and how. Practically every (non-indie) game has a relatively rich backstory now, so clearly we do care about these things, and they are important.

Those are the reasons people are upset, and it's slightly disheartening that so many people won't understand this. They can only see whining, while people actually protest because of very valid reasons.

Modifié par Aulis Vaara, 19 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[orangesonic]

the DLC problems are simple...

1- if you don`t have money or think it`s too expensive or it`s not worth it... just don`t buy...

2- if you have the money and want to buy it... Why not??

3- Nobody works for free... if you say: OH no! this should in the game already!!... guess what! it doesn`t and if Bioware want us to pay for it, good for them... well deserved i say

[Thanatos144]

orangesonic wrote...

the DLC problems are simple...

1- if you don`t have money or think it`s too expensive or it`s not worth it... just don`t buy...

2- if you have the money and want to buy it... Why not??

3- Nobody works for free... if you say: OH no! this should in the game already!!... guess what! it doesn`t and if Bioware want us to pay for it, good for them... well deserved i say

I agree 100%

[Random citizen]

orangesonic wrote...

the DLC problems are simple...

1- if you don`t have money or think it`s too expensive or it`s not worth it... just don`t buy...

2- if you have the money and want to buy it... Why not??

3- Nobody works for free... if you say: OH no! this should in the game already!!... guess what! it doesn`t and if Bioware want us to pay for it, good for them... well deserved i say

1. Something like this should of course have been included in the main game. Like Zaeed and his mission was included. An optional DLC should not revolve around so central themes of ME as interacting with a living Prothean.

2. Se above.

3. Lots of people works for free or do good work for free, but that is kinda beside the point here.

Modifié par Random citizen, 19 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[jpzgoku]

http://www.gamespot....e-mark-6366340/

This is a great article. Read the whole thing, not just the title.

[LinksOcarina]

I would also add to the point of saying this;

Game one had weapons and items cut from it that are only available via console command on the PC. Stuff like Batarian State Arms, Cerberus Skunkworks, Jormangund Technology, the certain Spectre gear, etc.

We know about it because of the console commands, but does anyone really care? Nine times out of ten, items cut from a game never see the light of day. So I guess we should be lucky that Javik did.

Although I must admit, I am a bit miffed that they stretched the truth on his development a bit. Considering the vehemently negative reaction though, they may have been backed into a corner on that, but it still is no excuse.

[Aulis Vaara]

jpzgoku wrote...

http://www.gamespot....e-mark-6366340/

This is a great article. Read the whole thing, not just the title.

That's a very interesting article, and exactly how I feel these days. I've bought a lot of Bioware's DLC in the past, and some were worth the money, while others were not. No more though. I don't want lies and I don't want hidden costs.

I wanted Javik to be in my squad, and I think he should've come with every new game. But I'll use that money to buy a complete game instead, because I can't condone this business tactic any longer, and I certainly can't stand all the lies.

Oh, and I also wanted to mention that Bioware probably gets very little of the money of these DLC sales. I believe game developers should be paid royalties for the games they make, much like authors. I think they deserve that at least. And maybe if they were, business practices would be fairer to begin with.

Modifié par Aulis Vaara, 19 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[LinksOcarina]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

http://www.gamespot....e-mark-6366340/

This is a great article. Read the whole thing, not just the title.

That's a very interesting article, and exactly how I feel these days. I've bought a lot of Bioware's DLC in the past, and some were worth the money, while others were not. No more though. I don't want lies and I don't want hidden costs.

I wanted Javik to be in my squad, and I think he should've come with every new game. But I'll use that money to buy a complete game instead, because I can't condone this business tactic any longer, and I certainly can't stand all the lies.

Oh, and I also wanted to mention that Bioware probably gets very little of the money of these DLC sales. I believe game developers should be paid royalties for the games they make, much like authors. I think they deserve that at least. And maybe if they were, business practices would be fairer to begin with.

You would think that...sadly its not the case most of the time, if current practices are still in vogue in the relationship between publisher and developer.

This is probably why BioWare is no longer private as well...

[Kanner]

Sorry, changing your explination as the facts emerge is the surest sign that something shady is going on.

[nhsknudsen]

If it wasnt on disc, why didnt I get an active download on my xbox360 marketplace after buying it?