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[The Dark Knight of Steel]

there is nothing anyone can say to change their minds they just need to grow up, stop crying and ****ing expecting mother bioware to buy them their candy/toy or in this case dlc.

the bioware team should go to all the haters places of work and demand free stuff: I bought a full course meal I should get desert for free: I bought this bag of milk milk it's incomplete without the jug to hold the bag I should get it free right: I bought a cell phone I shouldn't have to pay to make phone calls right: can I get a fully topped pizza for the price of a cheese pizza because a pizza is not complete without all toppings: I bought a movie ticket can I get my free popcorn and pop etc etc

[crazyrabbits]

The Dark Knight of Steel wrote...

there is nothing anyone can say to change their minds they just need to grow up, stop crying and ****ing expecting mother bioware to buy them their candy/toy or in this case dlc.

the bioware team should go to all the haters places of work and demand free stuff: I bought a full course meal I should get desert for free: I bought this bag of milk milk it's incomplete without the jug to hold the bag I should get it free right: I bought a cell phone I shouldn't have to pay to make phone calls right: can I get a fully topped pizza for the price of a cheese pizza because a pizza is not complete without all toppings: I bought a movie ticket can I get my free popcorn and pop etc etc

Way to skirt the issue.

No one's asking for free DLC. If anything, BW has already shown how DLC can be used in a positive manner. Use it as an incentive to entice pre-orders of the game. Anyone who bought a new copy of ME2 got Zaeed for free. Even Kasumi (which had a placeholder model on the disc) was $5, had pretty much the same amount of relevance as the From Ashes character (and imports into ME3), but it was released months after the main game.

This is different. You had a DLC incentive only available to CE owners, with everyone else paying $10 to "unlock" a character who already exists in a playable form on the disc. It comes down to nickel-and-diming content, and whether or not you think you can use all the assets on a disc, even if they're hidden from you.

That's the issue.

[Kaloneous]

I'm afraid not many people understand the development cycle aspects of all this, nor do they try to educate themselves on it. I find this very disheartening and can only imagine how the team behind it must feel when all their hard work is lost in the debate about the much grander (and inapplicable in this instance) issue of business ethics in the gaming industry. All I can say is that the DLC is great, you guys did an amazing job on it and I appreciate the effort.

[The Dark Knight of Steel]

it was stated long ago that it was going to be free for the CE there should be no reason to complain that you have to pay for it and like bioware stated he doesn't effect the story.

he's a fighter not a scientist, he doesn't help build the crucible, he is just a cool addition to the game to hear his oppinions.

and yes everyone is asking for free dlc they have been complaining that this should be free for months.

like I said people now a days buy things expecting to get free stuff. if your buying games to expect free things as an incentive to buy it instead of buying it for the story/graphics/gameplay/replay value then you are cheap and buying games for the wrong.

(I would use the quote feature but I'm on my phone and it doesn't work correctly)

[Wishpig]

crazyrabbits wrote...

The Dark Knight of Steel wrote...

there is nothing anyone can say to change their minds they just need to grow up, stop crying and ****ing expecting mother bioware to buy them their candy/toy or in this case dlc.

the bioware team should go to all the haters places of work and demand free stuff: I bought a full course meal I should get desert for free: I bought this bag of milk milk it's incomplete without the jug to hold the bag I should get it free right: I bought a cell phone I shouldn't have to pay to make phone calls right: can I get a fully topped pizza for the price of a cheese pizza because a pizza is not complete without all toppings: I bought a movie ticket can I get my free popcorn and pop etc etc

Way to skirt the issue.

No one's asking for free DLC. If anything, BW has already shown how DLC can be used in a positive manner. Use it as an incentive to entice pre-orders of the game. Anyone who bought a new copy of ME2 got Zaeed for free. Even Kasumi (which had a placeholder model on the disc) was $5, had pretty much the same amount of relevance as the From Ashes character (and imports into ME3), but it was released months after the main game.

This is different. You had a DLC incentive only available to CE owners, with everyone else paying $10 to "unlock" a character who already exists in a playable form on the disc. It comes down to nickel-and-diming content, and whether or not you think you can use all the assets on a disc, even if they're hidden from you.

That's the issue.

To be fair, much of the DLC isn't actually on the disc, only the actual character... don't quote me... but I believe he doesn't even have all his dialogue on the disc... Your not just unlocking a character on the disc.

Although one could argue the largest part of the DLC is the character (and I wouldn't disagree).

EA is testing us to see how much they can get away with. They keep pushing and pushing and pushing. Up to this point day 1 DLC was free and given to anyone who bought the game (although I don't think DA2's day 1 DLC was free either).

They would inevitably reach the point where people actually get pissed. We're seeing that I believe. The good news is, all this negative feedback MIGHT make them take a step back.

No longer... now we're being charged for it.

[crazyrabbits]

Wishpig wrote...

To be fair, much of the DLC isn't actually on the disc, only the actual character... don't quote me... but I believe he doesn't even have all his dialogue on the disc... Your not just unlocking a character on the disc.

Oh, I've seen it in action. Everything aside from the Eden Prime mission is present once you change that line. You can see it through his content in the main game - alternate cutscenes, P/R prompts being skipped (especially on Thessia, where he changes the conversations quite drastically as opposed to everyone else), full set of battle commands and voice files...the works.

[BooBooZX]

The Dark Knight of Steel wrote...

there is nothing anyone can say to change their minds they just need to grow up, stop crying and ****ing expecting mother bioware to buy them their candy/toy or in this case dlc.

the bioware team should go to all the haters places of work and demand free stuff: I bought a full course meal I should get desert for free: I bought this bag of milk milk it's incomplete without the jug to hold the bag I should get it free right: I bought a cell phone I shouldn't have to pay to make phone calls right: can I get a fully topped pizza for the price of a cheese pizza because a pizza is not complete without all toppings: I bought a movie ticket can I get my free popcorn and pop etc etc

Yep, extinct species isn't important to the series at all.

[FellOpenIan]

The title of this thread is misleading as parts of From Ashes are indeed on the disc.

I'd really like to know how EA/BioWare plans to handle users which unlock the content which is on their discs as that is clearly the next step of this whole mess.

[IllusiveMike]

I thought the game was complete...
in the CE... ah ha. 

An awful lot of legitimate criticism of the game is being lost in all the vitriol.

I can accept the concept that it was not ABSOLUTELY FINISHED by the time the game was sent for certification.  Perhaps, even other parts of the game weren't either.  I can't say I'd rather do without the character all-together which is another alternative BW could have taken and just cut the guy out.

Now, an Informative-Journal DLC would actually tick me off. 

[GuyIncognito21]

FellOpenIan wrote...

The title of this thread is misleading as parts of From Ashes are indeed on the disc.

I'd really like to know how EA/BioWare plans to handle users which unlock the content which is on their discs as that is clearly the next step of this whole mess.

Agreed.  It's quite obvious that there is at least enough on the disc to unlock the character.



And honestly, the fact that BW is making so much of the rather semantic point that some files are not physically located on the disk is proof that they know they're doing something shady.

It's a complete red herring to try and distinguish a legitimate business practice from an illegitimate one based on the physical location of certain files.

That is SO not the issue here.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 12 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[GuyIncognito21]

nitsaj wrote...
Well spoken. For my own experiences and intereactions with some companies, they forget the key igredient to their success as a company, your consumers. So to read stuff like, 'They don't know what it's like to do X, so they should shut it when it comes to criticizing us for doing our jobs,' its a blow to the relationship.  In addition. consumers have the right to rant, raze, criticize etc. after all they are spending the money to  pucharse a companies product. At the same time, they must understand, they only see one side of the product, it's finishing piece. As companies, they have to have thick skin. When they they start to attact, alienante, and get into this verbal crap slinging with the public, they lose support. Companies will take their hits from the consumer, and consumers vice versa. It's how the companies respond that ultimately keep those angry fans coming back or shelling out money to their competitors.
 

Exactly.  And that's more true now than ever when you consider the proliferation of piracy in the digital age.  If you, as a digital entertainment company, don't have your reputation and your relationship with your consumers, what do you have?

In the old days you at least still had the game, and they had to get it from you or go without.  That's not true anymore, and it would behoove these companies to stop behaving as if it is.

Showing contempt for your customers in exchange for a quick buck will only get you so far.  Ask the RIAA how their business model worked out for them.

[SLonergan]

Nice of you to finally reply to something that is a non-issue at this point.

We don't even care about this anymore. We care about the absolutely botched endings.

[FellOpenIan]

It's just one of those things where I can already see the PR nightmare happening in the form of people being banned from their accounts due to modifying one line in one file and especially in regards to PC players where modifying files is a common practice. (performance tweaking/FOV adjustments/UI/general modding/whatever)

It is so incredibly easy to edit your way to a lesser version of the character that I can't see it not being an issue which needs addressing in so far as things like accounts are concerned.

[SLonergan]

Casey Hudson tweeted that the DLC didn't even go into Production until after content complete, and the game had started to be pressed. Your story completely clashes with this previous statement. For the content to be on the disk, Production had to have started before content complete. If production started before content complete, then it shouldn't be DLC.

[Kog27]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

can you hear the little birdies?

[Gildo2000]

the 600mb download was the mission accompanied with the dlc character.

[BooBooZX]

oooooooh, they are trying to take a page from crapcom's playbook "it was on the disc already to make it easier to integrate the dlc into the game!"

If the character wasn't on the disc how did pc ppl manage to just alter some things and have javik?

Modifié par BooBooZX, 12 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[moviebuff3000]

I am sure that parts of the Prothean is on the disc but not all of him. The file to download him was too big MB wise for just a mission and alts. I swear people really have nothing better else to complain about. Having been playing the game and the DLC, he is not a real integrel part of the game. Sure he has conversations with squad memebers and there was also talk about if he knew anything about the Crucible from Hackett BUT to make him feel like he was in the game seemlessly they had to add his voice and things about him in the game already. Now people can complain all they want it wont change anything but show others how much of a ass you are being. Buy it or not, your choice. Nobody from EA or BW is holding a gun to your head to buy it or holding your family hostage for that matter if you dont buy the DLC. So you dont want the extra experience or the extra achievements to go with it, that is your choice and your loss.

Modifié par moviebuff3000, 12 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[Gildo2000]

BooBooZX wrote...

oooooooh, they are trying to take a page from crapcom's playbook "it was on the disc already to make it easier to integrate the dlc into the game!"

 

exactly. but now they have their foot in their mouth because they lied about it from the start. Deny, Deny, Deny...

Modifié par Gildo2000, 12 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[SLonergan]

Why is it that we're just NOW being told that having the voice files and character model on the disc was a necessity?

The fact is, you were working on the From Ashes DLC before the game was done, and you're charging people extra for it. Bioware got caught in a lie when they said that production on From Ashes didn't start until after the discs were being pressed, and now you're trying to backpedal out.

The worst part is that you're using this backpedaling to dodge/ignore the real issue. Respond to the fact that your forums are in an uproar about the copy/pasted endings.

[Agamemnon2589]

Well, at least we got THAT out of the way. Not that I cared much, considering I got the Collector's Edition. Sure wish we could get something done about those endings now.

[SLonergan]

You and Casey Hudson both lied about the DLC.

[Militarized]

This is now become a nonissue in light of the ending controversy. I think you should perhaps spend your time clearing that up instead of highlighting old news.

However, we do greatly appreciate you taking the time to answer the questions and concerns of fans  

Modifié par Militarized, 12 mars 2012 - 03:12 .

[GuyIncognito21]

SLonergan wrote...

Why is it that we're just NOW being told that having the voice files and character model on the disc was a necessity?

I'm interested to hear this as well.  The two statements by BW on this seem to be mutually exclusive.  If there are vestiges of the DLC in the game files, then it's obviously not true that the entire concept for the DLC was developed independent of and after the rest of the game.

And why be so disingenuous about such things except to deceive people?  I think it's pretty safe to assume that BW isn't setting out to make itself look horrible just for the sake of it.  

[TheAsphodel]

Thank you. The DLC was well-done, and there shouldn't be a doubt that Bioware was trying to pull a fast one over us. And, of course, that lovely diagram of video game development. Unfortunately, Day 1 DLC is mostly a non-issue at this point.

But, err, the controversy of the endings? "We have dismissed this claim."