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[crazyrabbits]

moviebuff3000 wrote...

I am sure that parts of the Prothean is on the disc but not all of him. The file to download him was too big MB wise for just a mission and alts.

He's playable in the game if you switch one line of code. His full skill tree is present. His battle taunts are present. His voice files are present.

I assume the Eden Prime mission is the meat of the download.

[Squallypo]

SLonergan wrote...



You and Casey Hudson both lied about the DLC.

gotta love how they keep digging themself in a bad hole really.. 

[Squallypo]

crazyrabbits wrote...

moviebuff3000 wrote...

I am sure that parts of the Prothean is on the disc but not all of him. The file to download him was too big MB wise for just a mission and alts.

He's playable in the game if you switch one line of code. His full skill tree is present. His battle taunts are present. His voice files are present.

I assume the Eden Prime mission is the meat of the download.

yup i wonder if you could *unlock* him on the xbox version¿? probably not

[SLonergan]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

No it isn't.

If it was budgeted independently, developed independently, and finished independently, it is perfectly legitimate to charge for it separately.  Especially if, and this is the key here, it wouldn't have been planned for or developed at all had there not been an expectation of additional revenue attached to it.

The idea of a "complete game" is a myth perpetuated by angry gamers to justify their desire for more free stuff that costs money, resources, and manpower to produce.  

It's not just EA or Capcom or whoever saying this.  

Tons of things are planned and get cut from games during development, should everything that was once cut and might be implemented at a later date for a fee be considered part of the "complete" game?  It's an arbitrary, selfish distinction that allows players to pretend that they're victims.

That's not the point. The point is that both Casey Hudson and Michael Gamble went on record saying that From Ashes didn't even begin development until after the disks were pressed. This was a blatant lie. Only now, after people have found the Javik files on the disk, are they giving us the "truthful" story.

It's deceptive, and it's wrong.

[GuyIncognito21]

moviebuff3000 wrote...

 that is your choice and your loss.

It's not really our loss, though, is it?  It's Bioware's loss.  If our money wasn't worth more to them than their game, they wouldn't be in business.

[Rorschachinstein]

It's impossible to believe that Bioware, probably a second after the game is "completed" they tell themselves "Hay, I got an idea for another character".Right after the game is completed but not shipped. That sounds very shady.



Lying about it makes them look like Capcom. Thank god they're not capcom though.



And the endings. Sweet lord the endings.

[Teddie Sage]

Mister Gamble,

With all due respect, right now I think the fanbase is more focused on the endings controversy. The day 1 DLC dilemma is now over. My only hope is that you won't let us down. I'm about to lose all hope that this game will have a happy ending. So much for having my romance with Kaidan with my Male Shepard to be thrown into this tragic ending. I never felt this depressed before over a video game settings. I do understand that people die in war, but this was just... too much. Way over the top.

Please, sir, reconsider this. We need the happy ending for the end of this trilogy.

Thank you for reading us.

[SLonergan]

I wasn't one of the people who was threatening to boycott Bioware due to the endings...however, I'm absolutely considering boycotting them due to shady practices like this.

Cancelling my TOR subscription now...having trouble justifying giving Bioware more money.

EDIT: This post sounded more hostile than I wanted it to. Trying to stay reasonable here.

Modifié par SLonergan, 12 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[ticklefist]

Bioware isn't far from meeting the Catalyst themselves imo.

Modifié par ticklefist, 12 mars 2012 - 03:14 .

[suusuuu]

To be perfectly honest, no one cares about the DLC anymore. It wasn't the worst thing Bioware has done to this game. *hint hint*

[FellOpenIan]

People wondering about this suddenly popping-up again when most players are now more concerned with the endings should realize that the revelation that parts of From Ashes are on-disc but locked behind a single modified line is about to get whipped right into the news cycle very soon thanks to the video which SLonergan posted a link to.

Forbes and Kotaku already ran with it today and you can expect more places to run with it tomorrow.

[Highway395]

Wow. I'm just so disappointed. Doesn't matter which thread this gets posted on because they are all full of complaints. Haven't cracked the game open yet, even though I the series and got ME3 as a birthday present. Don't have the excitement to play it now.

I had the opportunity to meet some of the game developers at Comic-con last year and they specifically talked one:one with me about surprise new characters. Can't say for sure if they meant the prothean, but it sure sounded at the time like it would be a new main character that you could unlock and play with. Bottom line, BioWare has the right to do what they want. It's their game. They aren't a non-profit organizaiton and neither are any of us. That being said, bad PR and bad feelings can't possibly be worth the headache BioWare is having with the fan response. I feel sorry for the creative teams who are getting slammed due to corporate decisions that have nothing to do with their work.

All these threads just make me sad because I really, really, really wanted to be a raving fan. Back to Valve and TF2. Maybe I'll open Mass Effect 3 later...

[Hanabii]

Don't be stupid SLonergan. Canceling SWTOR will be screwing over a completely different development team that had nothing to do with Day 1 DLC or the Endings that take the replay ability of this game to absolute zero.

I'm sure everything will settle down if someone confirmed a certain something (I'm sure they know what by now.) is being dealt with and how. This issue (which everyone knows but I won't name.) that drags almost every single person who finishes the game here in droves.

Michael Gamble, with respect, I think this Day 1 DLC is just me 'CE Stuff' that people can buy if they don't buy CE. I don't think this has much to do with the bigger picture. Or why so many fans have come here in a craze.

But Dear Mr. Gamble,

Bioware should be happy, you should too. Mass Effect is a universe so successful that things like this do bring the people together. They all love Mass Effect. They are hurt on the level as a reader, a gamer, and a follower of your creativity. And that hurt is reflective of a deep love. If no one complained about the ending, I would have worried that in the end no one cared.

People only complain because they care.

All you need to is look at the forums, they have been more active and all talking about the same thing then they have probably been for the last year.

[SLonergan]

Hanabii wrote...

Don't be stupid SLonergan. Canceling SWTOR will be screwing over a completely different development team that had nothing to do with Day 1 DLC or the Endings that take the replay ability of this game to absolute zero.

I'm sure everything will settle down if someone confirmed a certain something (I'm sure they know what by now.) is being dealt with and how. This issue (which everyone knows but I won't name.) that drags almost every single person who finishes the game here in droves.

Michael Gamble, with respect, I think this Day 1 DLC is just me 'CE Stuff' that people can buy if they don't buy CE. I don't think this has much to do with the bigger picture. Or why so many fans have come here in a craze.

But Dear Mr. Gamble,

Bioware should be happy, you should too. Mass Effect is a universe so successful that things like this do bring the people together. They all love Mass Effect. They are hurt on the level as a reader, a gamer, and a follower of your creativity. And that hurt is reflective of a deep love. If no one complained about the ending, I would have worried that in the end no one cared.

People only complain because they care.

All you need to is look at the forums, they have been more active and all talking about the same thing then they have probably been for the last year.

Don't tell me I'm being stupid. I am well aware that Bioware Austin and Bioware Vancouver aren't the same dev team. However, all divisions of Bioware are owned by EA. Bioware as a whole makes money from my subscription to TOR.

EA has a history of having DLC on the disc. This isn't a new practice.

[SLonergan]

The producers who approved this decision make money from Mass Effect, and every other product Bioware releases. I'm not supporting any.

[Squallypo]

SLonergan wrote...

The producers who approved this decision make money from Mass Effect, and every other product Bioware releases. I'm not supporting any.

and you are free to do so i mean if they not caring why should we right ?

[Drake_1000]

I cant believe it. Its like a cop come to see you and say "We have find your dog sir, have a nice day" but dont give a **** about the fire in your house.

Who care about the Jarvik's thing ? Nobody. We want answers about the endings. Thanks.

[Hanabii]

SLonergan, I apologize. But I don't feel it's fair to punish the Vancouver team for the mistakes of the Austin team. The ending was a mistake and it takes a lot of time for companies to make moves. They are many people who have to get approval of other many people. It takes time to get approvals. Even if they wanted to do something about it they couldn't say a thing until they were given permission to announce something concrete enough to stand on.

My advice to you is to wait a month or two and see what happens.

[SLonergan]

Squallypo wrote...

SLonergan wrote...

The producers who approved this decision make money from Mass Effect, and every other product Bioware releases. I'm not supporting any.

and you are free to do so i mean if they not caring why should we right ?

Exactly. Just responding the the poster who said I was "being stupid" for cancelling my TOR subscription.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Cool. Now what about them endings?

[Hanabii]

Sqally... your signature makes me sad. I'd never throw away my copy of ME3. Everything before the end was more then I could have ever hoped for.

[SLonergan]

Hanabii wrote...

SLonergan, I apologize. But I don't feel it's fair to punish the Vancouver team for the mistakes of the Austin team. The ending was a mistake and it takes a lot of time for companies to make moves. They are many people who have to get approval of other many people. It takes time to get approvals. Even if they wanted to do something about it they couldn't say a thing until they were given permission to announce something concrete enough to stand on.

My advice to you is to wait a month or two and see what happens.

I'm not punishing the Austin team, I'm just refusing to support a company that does this to their fans. It's really unfortunate because I like TOR. It's a great game, and the customer support from Bioware Austin has been great.

But the fact is, somewhere up the corporate ladder, someone is making money from Vancouver, and Austin, and I can't support a company that does this to their fans.

Refusing to respond to this ending controversy, lying about the DLC, and then backpedaling on their story and acting like their previous statements never happened is something I'd expect from EA, but not from Bioware. I'll gladly resubscribe if Bioware makes this right.

[lastpawn]

I can't speak for everyone, but you really don't have to explain this to me. I get it. I get that $ isn't what it used to be back in the day, that game prices haven't increased correspondingly, and that DLCs are a great way to extend profits from a game. So this really doesn't bother me too much: I realize that as a customer I'm going to get the treatment I accept/encourage.

So I chose to protest the first-day Prothean DLC by waiting till the price comes down.

[GuyIncognito21]

lastpawn wrote...

I can't speak for everyone, but you really don't have to explain this to me. I get it. I get that $ isn't what it used to be back in the day, that game prices haven't increased correspondingly, and that DLCs are a great way to extend profits from a game. So this really doesn't bother me too much: I realize that as a customer I'm going to get the treatment I accept/encourage.

So I chose to protest the first-day Prothean DLC by waiting till the price comes down.

The crazy part is that I would accept that explanation.  The inconvenient truth is much more appealing to me than a condescending lie.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

This picture is pretty hard to take seriously, and not just because of the misspelling in giant red text. It assumes that day 1 DLC has to cost money, and as a result fails as a case for paid day 1 DLC. The question is not "should the dev team create content after creation of the core game?" The question is "how much of the game content available on day 1 should my $60 cover?"