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[suusuuu]

stop talking about the dlc... no one cares about it anymore! It's not even that good to begin with!!

[GuyIncognito21]

suusuuu wrote...

stop talking about the dlc... no one cares about it anymore! It's not even that good to begin with!!

People obviously do care (especially those of us who haven't given Bioware any money yet), and, even aside from that, it is kinda the topic of the thread...

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

suusuuu wrote...

stop talking about the dlc... no one cares about it anymore! It's not even that good to begin with!!

People discussing DLC on the DLC thread? I do believe my monocle just popped out.

[DemGeth]

I'll get it later when it's on sale. TBH none of the squad dlc's bio's done in any of their games, to me, have been worth 10 bucks.

[Squallypo]

Hanabii wrote...

Sqally... your signature makes me sad. I'd never throw away my copy of ME3. Everything before the end was more then I could have ever hoped for.

dude trust me i LOVE the game but the ending....  

[crazyrabbits]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

stop talking about the dlc... no one cares about it anymore! It's not even that good to begin with!!

People discussing DLC on the DLC thread? I do believe my monocle just popped out.

By Jove, sir, I think you're right! This calls for an expert opinion.

Javik, where are you! Come over here and find his monocle!

[CONTENT LOCKED AT THE REQUEST OF EA]

...and that was how we took down the magic space dragon.

[woods26]

I don't know if anyone brought this up but apparently on the pc version you can unlock the dlc by altering the code.

Modifié par woods26, 12 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

@woods26:

You should probably take that link down - AFAIK, the official position is that this particular .ini tweak is piracy. This is likely incorrect unless ME3 has a very unusual EULA, but that doesn't mean they won't ban people for posting links to the method.

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 12 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Faraborne]

Thanks for the heads up Gamble! I for one never really had a problem with Day 1 DLC. Yes its a marketing tool, but its effective and brings in profit. As a businessman I have to respect that. Its not dirty just good business.

Heads up though, alternate ending DLC would also be a brilliant business strategy.

[Shssay-san]

 

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I disagree with your evaluation that banter constitutes being in the core of the game.

They've said several times before that if you're going to have a companion level character banter is one of the earliest things you need to have complete.

I legitimately do not care how or where the DLC is on the disc or for download. If it is content I want at a price I am willing to pay, I will do so. If it isn't, I won't, and the "loss" of it won't bother me like it apparently does legions of people whose frustrations I can't relate to in the slightest.

If you really want to know what Javik had to say but didn't see the $10 as worth the price of experiencing it yourself, read the Wikis after other people have typed up a thorough description.  That's what I did with half the Dragon Age DLC.  I don't understand this entitlement to content at all.

Hear! Hear!  One of the few voices of reason in this entire thread.

[woods26]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

@woods26:

You should probably take that link down - AFAIK, the official position is that this particular .ini tweak is piracy. This is likely incorrect unless ME3 has a very unusual EULA, but that doesn't mean they won't ban people for posting links to the method.

Thanks, I just removed it. I just brought it up because doesn't that prove the DLC is already on the disc? Maybe the 600mb is for the outfits or something.

[SLonergan]

Are they seriously saying that unlocking something that they put on the disc is piracy?

[Squallypo]

Faraborne wrote...

Thanks for the heads up Gamble! I for one never really had a problem with Day 1 DLC. Yes its a marketing tool, but its effective and brings in profit. As a businessman I have to respect that. Its not dirty just good business.

Heads up though, alternate ending DLC would also be a brilliant business strategy.

ah NO U dont give them more ideas than they already have im sick of this dlc charge stuff. 
provide us a proper choice of ending and thats it not as in demanding tone but as a consumer/ fan / gamer of the series it would be a nice redeem from their side.

[GuyIncognito21]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

@woods26:

You should probably take that link down - AFAIK, the official position is that this particular .ini tweak is piracy. This is likely incorrect unless ME3 has a very unusual EULA, but that doesn't mean they won't ban people for posting links to the method.

I don't know whether they've commented on that or not, but that position is utterly ridiculous. 

[Elric Highblade]

Why are people saying it's piracy to alter your code to unlock Javik? It was included in the CD,and it is inside your game, you have not illegally done anything.

There is even legal precedent.
http://en.wikipedia....f_America,_Inc.

Here is an excerpt:
"District Judge Fern M. Smith ruling in favor of Galoob, declaring that the Game Genie did not violate Nintendo's copyrights. Smith compared usage of the Game Genie to "skipping portions of a book" or fast-forwarding through a purchased movie; thus the altered game content did not constitute the creation of a derivative work as Nintendo had argued. Smith wrote, in part, "Having paid Nintendo a fair return, the consumer may experiment with the product and create new variations of play, for personal enjoyment, without creating a derivative work." Nintendo appealed the ruling to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, but lost as the Ninth Circuit affirmed the lower court's decision."

Unless I'm reading this wrong, that means that there is legal precedent for us to modify our game files,'create variations of play', for personal enjoyment.

It's not people's fault you chose to put stuff in their discs and installations. They're just doing what the law allows.

[crazyrabbits]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

@woods26:

You should probably take that link down - AFAIK, the official position is that this particular .ini tweak is piracy. This is likely incorrect unless ME3 has a very unusual EULA, but that doesn't mean they won't ban people for posting links to the method.

That would ostensibly mean any change of the game files for whatever reason (including modding, of which this forum is a major proponent via its users) would constitute piracy.

Sorry, that wouldn't fly anywhere, and they'd have no way to enforce it. As mentioned above.

Modifié par crazyrabbits, 12 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[suusuuu]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

stop talking about the dlc... no one cares about it anymore! It's not even that good to begin with!!

People discussing DLC on the DLC thread? I do believe my monocle just popped out.

please... It's not the most pressing issue at the moment, but they decide to reply to this instead of addressing the ending issue. 

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

@woods26:

You should probably take that link down - AFAIK, the official position is that this particular .ini tweak is piracy. This is likely incorrect unless ME3 has a very unusual EULA, but that doesn't mean they won't ban people for posting links to the method.

I don't know whether they've commented on that or not, but that position is utterly ridiculous. 

I agree.

There's this picture floating around of a conversation between a forumite and a Bioware rep about the forumite getting a ban for posting that .ini tweak. On one hand, it wouldn't be the first time someone faked a picture to make Bioware look bad, but on the other hand, better safe than sorry if you've got games linked to your forum account.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

The only thing that surprises me in this thread is how violently the raging minority is flipping out over this. Honestly, the youtube link that shows you how to effectively steal, and yes it should be considered stealing because you are getting the benefits of the DLC without getting the DLC, is still even up. I would have thought by now that the video would have been taken down because of just prevalent advocacy of piracy both by the uploader through showing people how to access the content, and by the many comments leading people over to well known piracy sites to outright steal the game itself. Odds are that most of the violently opposed people against the DLC dont have a clue about anything in game development and are just trying to test how far they can go before they get nailed for ToS violations.

[Shssay-san]

suusuuu wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

stop talking about the dlc... no one cares about it anymore! It's not even that good to begin with!!

People discussing DLC on the DLC thread? I do believe my monocle just popped out.

please... It's not the most pressing issue at the moment, but they decide to reply to this instead of addressing the ending issue. 

They're probably waiting until everyone has the game.  It just came out in Europe on March 9th and it hasn't released in Japan yet.  That's my guess, anyway.

[blasto lives]

SLonergan wrote...

Casey Hudson tweeted that the DLC didn't even go into Production until after content complete, and the game had started to be pressed. Your story completely clashes with this previous statement. For the content to be on the disk, Production had to have started before content complete. If production started before content complete, then it shouldn't be DLC.

Wait a sec... Am I missing something?  ME3's "gone gold" announcement was on Feb 12, and From Ashes leaked on XBox Live Marketplace (in presumably final form?) on Feb 21.  There's no way they started on From Ashes after ME3 went gold.  I think someone said the certification process started in January, but even in that case we're paying $10 for a month and a half of dev time.

I'm kinda confused about what we're supposed to believe about the From Ashes production timeline .

[killnoob]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I'll just leave this here.  This idea of a "complete game" is a myth perpetuated by angry consumers who want free stuff.

As much as I hate how the game is ruined by the ending, I'll have to agree with this chart.
Game production isn't a hobby - it is a job. When you hold a job people get paid. Mass Effect 3 is the last installment (hopefully) of a great space opera (ruined by the ending), and since it is the last you really can't blame the dev team for wanting a little extra for their hardwork, especially when they're now working for EA.

We all know how much EA love its money.
Besides, it's 10 dollars.

Yes its a marketing strategy, and yes it's basically an attempt at getting more money, but what's wrong with that?
If you have the time to be buying a game that's worth 60 dollars, pretty sure you can afford to pay 10 more IF you want Javik in your team.

I don't.

Therefore I don't have to pay that 10 dollars.

Make sense?

Now, can we please get back to the problems with the ending, because I for one believe that is what REALLY matters.

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[crazyrabbits]

Sora Kitano wrote...

The only thing that surprises me in this thread is how violently the raging minority is flipping out over this. Honestly, the youtube link that shows you how to effectively steal, and yes it should be considered stealing because you are getting the benefits of the DLC without getting the DLC, is still even up. I would have thought by now that the video would have been taken down because of just prevalent advocacy of piracy both by the uploader through showing people how to access the content, and by the many comments leading people over to well known piracy sites to outright steal the game itself. Odds are that most of the violently opposed people against the DLC dont have a clue about anything in game development and are just trying to test how far they can go before they get nailed for ToS violations.

Thanks for coming into the topic so late without reading any of the 10 posts above you.

1) Forbes is calling out Bioware for this. If that's not "mainstream", I don't know what is.

2) "Effectively stealing" is not the same as "accessing content on the disc you, as a consumer, own."

3) We were busy debating at what point a company has control over the assets on your the game you paid for and own a physical copy of.

[suusuuu]

 

Shssay-san wrote...

They're probably waiting until everyone has the game.  It just came out in Europe on March 9th and it hasn't released in Japan yet.  That's my guess, anyway.

 


I'm in Europe and I finished the game as well as my friends. You can max it out under 30 hours, it's quite short. I don't see any problem with addressing this issue at this time.

Modifié par suusuuu, 12 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[Elric Highblade]

Sora Kitano wrote...

The only thing that surprises me in this thread is how violently the raging minority is flipping out over this. Honestly, the youtube link that shows you how to effectively steal, and yes it should be considered stealing because you are getting the benefits of the DLC without getting the DLC, is still even up. I would have thought by now that the video would have been taken down because of just prevalent advocacy of piracy both by the uploader through showing people how to access the content, and by the many comments leading people over to well known piracy sites to outright steal the game itself. Odds are that most of the violently opposed people against the DLC dont have a clue about anything in game development and are just trying to test how far they can go before they get nailed for ToS violations.

But that's wrong.

Like I said, in:
http://en.wikipedia....f_America,_Inc.

There is ample legal precedent that:
"Having paid Nintendo a fair return, the consumer may experiment with the
product and create new variations of play, for personal enjoyment,
without creating a derivative work."- That's the judge's words.

Ergo, we can be safely snuggled knowing that we're not doing anything illegal, since we're just modifying the game code, not downloading anything or taking any content without permission(it was in our files!), and modifying them for our personal enjoyment.

Unless I'm wrong, and that law is malarkey and EULA's are more powerful than actual court cases that serve as legal precedents.