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[Crashloop_No]

Sora Kitano wrote...

Crashloop_No wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Oh sweet boy. Those comments are the type that bring the hell of /v/. And if it goes bad enough /b/.

Something that bullfilled would be putting nails in Biowares coffin

You have a problem with rewarding people who purchase the collector's edition with exclusive content unobtainable to those who buy standard? That's kind of the point of buying the collector's edition. Or is it only acceptable if the exclusive content is physical and has no effect on the game whatsoever?

A collector edition of a game should never contain ingame things other cannot achieve. Not ever, it should contain things people can display out of game. The day CE starts giving out digital goodies compared to RL goodies then well the whole meaning of a collector edition has failed horribly. When i used to buy collector editions of games I used to gets tuff like a statue, or a picture, or a map or something that others never would have. Some people might find it agreeable that collector ediditon should contain DLC for the game rather proper stuff, but if that is so what is the point with the CE? Why collect something you cannot show off?

CE was getting robo-mutt, 4 N7 Weapons, and the Hoodie along with a few other things. CE was still getting its moneys worth before the price for From Ashes was let out.

But what of those things were actualy out of game items?

[jtsherrard]

This argument about CE DLC should have been made months ago, but now its out to the public for a fee, NOW your mad. BSN members confuse me

[Lord Irvine]

I don't get it. People keep claiming that Bioware should apologize for ripping content and making it into downloadable content that you have to pay an additional fee apart from the game itself. But where's the proof they did this?

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2.

As we can see, the character model, dialogue, and abilities being on the disc has been explained. Are those angered fans trying to make up information to accuse the company with because they don't know how to say "Sorry, I was wrong."? Because that's what it seems like now.

[Mixxer5]

About DLC being produced AFTER finishing ME3. Maybe some of You remember leaked script almost half year ago? Guess what? Prothean IS there with whole dialog, plot and so on. This "DLC" was cut from game. Here's a proof (I've copied script when it leaked- and used google translate to translate it form russian to english):


You land and fight Cerberus through the streets of Eden Prime while terrified civilians hide, then meets up with PARTNER (who arrived earlier) just in time to see an explosion of energy coming from the Prothean ruins. When he arrives, the Prothean is standing in a crater surrounded by dead Cerberus agents. It kills the last Cerberus soldier and exits in a cool fashion. Shepard and PARTNER assume that the Prothean is a rogue Cerberus supersoldier created using the CATALYST. PARTNER goes after it, while you goe after the CATALYST.

After fighting Cerberus troops in the area, you find Cerberus video logs that show them opening a Prothean Sphere and finding the Prothean inside. The vid makes it clear that the Prothean isn't a Cerberus soldier. He's the CATALYST. Shepard follows the Prothean's trail of destruction, fighting Cerberus troops. You eventually finds the Prothean injured and exhausted, with PARTNER ready to kill it. PARTNER refuses to listen to your explanation and tries to kill the Prothean, and you have no choice but to kill him. The mission closes with you answering to the Council for "the attack on Eden Prime" and the death of the Spectre to the Council.





It seems that plot also wasn't so crazy after all....

Modifié par Mixxer5, 12 mars 2012 - 09:30 .

[Lord Irvine]

Mixxer5 wrote...

About DLC being produced AFTER finishing ME3. Maybe some of You remember leaked script almost half year ago? Guess what? Prothean IS there with whole dialog, plot and so on. This "DLC" was cut from game. Here's a proof (I've copied script when it leaked- and used google translate to translate it form russian to english):


You land and fight Cerberus through the streets of Eden Prime while terrified civilians hide, then meets up with PARTNER (who arrived earlier) just in time to see an explosion of energy coming from the Prothean ruins. When he arrives, the Prothean is standing in a crater surrounded by dead Cerberus agents. It kills the last Cerberus soldier and exits in a cool fashion. Shepard and PARTNER assume that the Prothean is a rogue Cerberus supersoldier created using the CATALYST. PARTNER goes after it, while you goe after the CATALYST.

After fighting Cerberus troops in the area, you find Cerberus video logs that show them opening a Prothean Sphere and finding the Prothean inside. The vid makes it clear that the Prothean isn't a Cerberus soldier. He's the CATALYST. Shepard follows the Prothean's trail of destruction, fighting Cerberus troops. You eventually finds the Prothean injured and exhausted, with PARTNER ready to kill it. PARTNER refuses to listen to your explanation and tries to kill the Prothean, and you have no choice but to kill him. The mission closes with you answering to the Council for "the attack on Eden Prime" and the death of the Spectre to the Council.





It seems that plot also wasn't so crazy after all....

That's your proof? You have a leaked script with a general plot with no linkage to the core game, and you say it's content cut from the main game? I suppose you think that once production of a game is finished, they just slap on a price tag and put it up for sale without any testing too?

[Mixxer5]

He was there before they started making DLC (they stated that was 3-4 months ago). ALSO. Prothean was supposed to be Catalyst. Tell me- how the hell main character (as he would if he wasn't changed for Space Kid) wasn't made at the beginning? By the way- script is pretty much same as game itself. Really- only changes I've notices is Prothean. Other thing that was removed are puzzles on Mars.

[Gekidomaru]

Sure, whatever.

n4g.com/news/958676/access-me3-from-ashes-dlc-for-free/com

I can say this, though: at least you can lie to your customers with a straight face. I bought the DLC, and now fully regret doing so.

Modifié par Gekidomaru, 12 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[deenybean21]

It says on the back of my CE box "Serial codes for bonus content are not available for purchase".
To me that means "From Ashes" is exclusive to those who buy the collectors edition and no-one else. If I'd known the additional squadmate was available to everyone, I could have saved myself the extra £30 I wasted on the CE.

[Targetbsp]

Give From Ashes away free to all customers.
Give your next DLC away free to those who bought the CE and already bought From Ashes to compensate them for no longer having needed to pay for From Ashes.
Don't tell your customers that you'd never remove something from the game to sell as DLC and claim it was developed after the game - and then leave a good portion of it in the game.

[dukem73]

I think this whole story (including forcing origin down our throats) has made a lot of unhappy customers. I however enjoyed mass effect3, but feel betrayed and decided for myself I won't buy dragon age 3 no matter how good it is.

[Gterror]

Whats that then:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8&src_vid=hzYLTbQQEZQ&annotation_id=annotation_317132&feature=iv
Got you there BW.

[batlin]

I wonder if the people at Bioware think their customers are stupid. That's really the only explanation for blatantly lying to us about the content being on the disc and how it was developed alongside the rest of the game.

[TAJ4Life]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

In order for the assets to be on the disc even with the 600mb download you knew that you were going to charge us for this as DLC seperatly.

Some developers who have made DLC have no assets on the disc and are able to get the dlc to work alongside what is on the disc.

If the game was made and sent for certification my understanding is you recalled the game, added the assets instead of the whole dlc to the disc you could then have added the whole dlc at this point?

Modifié par TAJ4Life, 12 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[SLonergan]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

Guys, this must mean that every future piece of DLC already has "framework elements" on the disc! Start digging, because apparently, DLC doesn't work unless it's already on the disc!

Plenty of games come out and add DLC that wasn't on the disc. This is such a ridiculous excuse that doesn't even make any sense.

Modifié par SLonergan, 12 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

I think the real question is this: is Bioware still up in arms about people tweaking their .ini file?

[terminus32]

What are future DLC plans?

[SLonergan]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

I think the real question is this: is Bioware still up in arms about people tweaking their .ini file?

I think they've gone back into hiding since people called them out on their BS...yet again.

[Descedent]

they could have simply left it ALL off the disk and put in a download and we wouldn't have this issue, but NOOOO you don't even have to have the dlc to play the prothean lol...

Bioware...my my you aren't the same company since EA bought you and since you before you even joined the EA partners program.

Just makes me wonder... what do the employees really think about all this? Perhaps they side with the community as a whole, but forced not to talk cause it is their job/controlled by EA.... but it's just to obvious that it was cut content.  Especially if you keep interacting with the prothean and seeing how rest of squad interacts with him.

Modifié par Descedent, 12 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[insomniac13]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Hi,

There has a been a lot of discussion this weekend about our DLC, and i just wanted to say a few things...

From Ashes is a 600 MB+ download with all new content, including the mission on Eden Prime, new dialogue options and conversations with Javik, new cinematics, the Prothean weapon, and new appearances for all squad members. All of the above content was completed while the main game was in certification and are not available on the disc.

As stated previously, in order to seamlessly integrate Javik into the core campaign, certain framework elements and character models needed to be put on disc. We did something similar with Zaeed and Kasumi in Mass Effect 2. 

Zaeed could be had for FREE though... <_<

[AnubisOnly]

terminus32 wrote...

What are future DLC plans?

Maybe DLC with bug fixes :happy:

[Rinor]

How is it possible to unlock From Ashes entirely when it's not on disc?

[Descedent]

Rinor wrote...

How is it possible to unlock From Ashes entirely when it's not on disc?

google and youtube, cause the character is and all his assets, just not his mission.

Modifié par Descedent, 12 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[Rinor]

Descedent wrote...

Rinor wrote...

How is it possible to unlock From Ashes entirely when it's not on disc?

google and youtube, cause the character is and all his assets, just not his mission.

I see

[GuyIncognito21]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Funny how, when confronted with evidence that challenges their outlook, the reaction most people have is "YOU LIE!"

I suppose it must be rough to find out what you thought was the smoking gun for your great big crusade turned out to be a not much at all.

Wait, is some guy with a vested interest in the outcome saying something "evidence?" 

Nothing he said even comes close to addressing the concerns of people.  In fact, what he said is immediately self-contradicting.  It's obviously not true that A) all the content was developed independent of and after the game, and  that there are necessarily vestiges of it left in the core game files.

One of those two premises can be true, but they can't both be true.

And, most importantly, neither of those assertions hits at the core issue here.  Flailing around about the physical location of the files misses the entire point of the controversy.

It's not about where the files are, it's about where they should be (either in the $60, supposedly "full" version of the game or in the trash heap).

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 12 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[Chris Priestly]

Some poeple want to "prove that BioWare lied" or similar. The fact is we didn't. This is how DLC gets made. You can refuse to believe this and continue to think the worst of us. All we can do is tell teh truth, which we continue to do, and those who understand will while those who refuse to believe, wont.

To that end, Mike Gamble tweeted more of a Summary last night. You can read it here. For thos without Twitter here it is below:

I've posted a summarized response on the BSN, but i wanted to give some more details on the 'From Ashes' development. As we've seen recently, our fans are extremely passionate and we have a great deal of respect for you.

ME3 was a labour of love for the dev team. To finish a game like ME3, it literally takes months of intense bug fixing and certification. At this point, our goal is to polish the game to an extremely high quality – not to add extra content. You hopefully see a lot of that polish in ME3.

During that certification time, we had a small team of developers begin to craft the ‘From Ashes’ content, with the intent to finish production on it long after ME3 was out of our hands as a dev team.

However, because the plot of ME3 is so richly interwoven with the character interactions and moments, you simply cannot use a DLC module to ‘insert’ a new character. As we've mentioned before, that character has to be planned and the framework has to be established ahead of time for us to build off of with the DLC module. You may have seen a similar framework developed in ME2 for the Zaeed and Kasumi characters. We wanted Javik to be a fully featured squad member, with deep dialogue throughout the game – and we needed him to be accessible via the character selection GUI (which you cannot simply ‘overwrite’ with DLC). Thus, certain elements of the Javik appearance and some of the VO needed to be included on the disc. That is a fact. But that doesn’t mean the content was created, and then removed. It is a necessity of adding a rich character presence in our game.

That, however, is the extent of it. As mentioned above, the DLC is over 600 mb. The DLC data holds the mission itself, the cinematic flashback moments, the cinematic dialogue interactions with Javik, his weapon, the appearances for squad members… everything that makes the adventure a cohesive experience. 'From Ashes' is not Javik’s character model. It is the story of finding the last remaining Prothean, and how his tale interweaves with Commander Shepard’s as he struggles to destroy the Reaper threat.

Thanks for listening.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 12 mars 2012 - 01:36 .