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[JrSlackin]

 So I've been really thinking about it, and wouldn't this be kind of a bad choice? Technically it's what the reapers were wanting after all, and it's what we've seen with all the indocrinated "Reaper troops" this is what happens when synthetic and organic mix is it not? Not to mention we saw what happened to Saren when "flesh and machine combine".

Any thoughts on this?

[Myrmedus]

No, it's different.

The Reapers were synthesizing organics purely to control them as husks, and Saren was under Sovereign's control. The new synthesized life is completely independent and free-willed.

[Budgier]

To be honest, it seems Bioware didn't think through the consequences of these 3 choices. I guess Bioware has us believe that if you merge organic and synthetic, nothing like that will happen other than peace and rainbows forever.

In the indoctrination theory, this is true however. The Catalyst manipulates you into thinking synthesis will bring peace between organics and synthetics, however - you are just playing in the reapers hands. This will allow them to take control of all lifeforms now with reaper code as they did with the Geth.

[Cutter10]

Well, let me say 1) you're right, and 2) it doesn't matter.

A magical wave that instantly puts circuit-board patterns on everyones face, everywhere is just senseless, lazy story-telling that is only really there so that Bioware doesn't have to try and hammer out multiple dramatic conclusions to their story. It's not any kind of actual, satisfying resolution.

[Deztyn]

I'm more annoyed by the fact that it's imposing your will on everything in the galaxy.

Oh, and Magic Space Beams!

Modifié par Deztyn, 12 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[Nobrandminda]

None of the endings are good.

I think the Synthesis ending is the best one, only because it is such a Deus Ex Machina that it is somewhat easier to believe that all of the problems raised by the vague ending might work themselves out. Fleets stuck in the Sol system? Normandy crashed? Quarians starving to death? Endor Holocaust? Doesn't matter, everyone is made of magic. It'll be fine.

[MOELANDER]

But still doesn't explain how it is supposed to work.

[RxP4IN]

Wouldn't synth hybrids eventually make machines and AI like all advanced civilizations would. You know, to make their lives easier.

[Nu-Nu]

I don't think it's the same, I think this is the better ending. It's not ideal, but Joker is only smiling in this ending, so they're not complete heartless machines like the reaper. I think a better understanding is absorbed by them all, that there is no longer conflict. They get to live and love and have children and be at peace. They have been ascended/lifted to a better understanding.

[TonTheTerror]

Another thing i noticed is the reapers dont die and the citadel was destroyed (and the catalyst) this means you just gave free will to the most destructive and powerful being the galaxy has ever seen. There will be peace but for how long

[FunstuffofDoom]

Whether or not, in theory, it's a bad idea would stem from your position on transhumanism versus some sort of intrinsic value for the human form, I think. I appreciate Deztyn's argument, though. That's a pretty compelling reason, though I think it applies to the other two options with almost as much force.

[ArcanistLibram]

Yeah, the Synthesis ending gives the Reapers what they want.

[JrSlackin]

Myrmedus wrote...

No, it's different.

The Reapers were synthesizing organics purely to control them as husks, and Saren was under Sovereign's control. The new synthesized life is completely independent and free-willed.

Well I understand they're supposed to be dependent, but what I mean is physically. We've seen what happens when synthetics and organics combine, and honestly it's nightmarish.

On top of that, if synthetic is superior to organic, wouldn't it that mean the synthetic part of this new "species" end up trying to be fully synthetic?

I know I'm over thinking here, but ya know, endings kinda leave a lot to dwell on.

[tenacious_err]

Yeah, I hate it. I get that it's supposed to be the best option that created peace, but it absolutely goes against everything we've seen in the other games. You spend so much time getting people to work together and cooperate only to find out that, essentially, everyone has to be the same to get along? What kind of message is that?

Modifié par tenacious_err, 12 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[GhostlyMaiden]

I'm a bit of a mixed bag about this ending myself. I chose this one because it seemed like a good compromise. If I destroy the reapers, I destroy the geth as well. If I control the reapers, the geth are probably spared, but the reapers still exist meaning it is possible for them to come back. Synthesis permits me to keep the geth and eliminate the Reapers at the same time.

My more positive basis is that my choice only affects their bodies. Their sense of self, individuality, and free will should remain intact. Thing is, the ending doesn't really give any detail as to what combining synthetics and organics would make. Are they ageless? Can they reproduce? Are they able to speak to each other similar to the geth consensus?

I do see the "dark side" of this choice, but seeing EDI and Joker together like that makes me want to believe that it isn't the same as Saren or TIM.

[Morrden]

It's a bad ending regardless. Ignoring the space magicy aspects, it just doesn't make sense. Either it changes how organics/synthetics think to make them get along (effectively brainwashing them) or there's going to be no difference in synthetic/organic interactions. Either way Shepard is basically deciding it's his job to play god for every lifeform in the galaxy, changing them as he sees fit. Plus you're just taking Space-Toddler's word for it that this form of life is the end of organic evolution. Saren claimed the same thing about his implants at the end of ME1 and he was pretty clearly incorrect. There's no more reason to trust the self proclaimed leader of the Reapers.

[TonTheTerror]

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

I'm a bit of a mixed bag about this ending myself. I chose this one because it seemed like a good compromise. If I destroy the reapers, I destroy the geth as well. If I control the reapers, the geth are probably spared, but the reapers still exist meaning it is possible for them to come back. Synthesis permits me to keep the geth and eliminate the Reapers at the same time.

No the reapers are still alive at the end of synthesis just the citadel and catalyst are destroyed

[Harbinger of Hope]

RxP4IN wrote...

Wouldn't synth hybrids eventually make machines and AI like all advanced civilizations would. You know, to make their lives easier.

That's probably the biggest plot-hole of this debacle of an ending. I, personally, think Control is the best ending. No genocide and no forcing crazy, glowing, circuit tattoos on everyone. Plus, I imagine my Shep taking the whole Reaper fleet and flying them into a black hole.

[nitefyre410]

Its not the worst of the 3 but is still bad... its easier to stomach. Its Deus Ex Machina in a Diablos Ex Machina that makes absolutely no sense what so ever considering the two a complete opposites of each other.   Which still is a Diablos ex Machina on top of a Inferred Holocaust cause all the relays and the Citadel went ... Big badaboom. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 12 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[Deztyn]

FunstuffofDoom wrote...

Whether or not, in theory, it's a bad idea would stem from your position on transhumanism versus some sort of intrinsic value for the human form, I think. I appreciate Deztyn's argument, though. That's a pretty compelling reason, though I think it applies to the other two options with almost as much force.

Not really. In red and blue you're not presuming to change the nature of life on a galactic scale.

You either destroy the Reapers while sacrificing the Geth and Edi, but leave the rest of the galaxy's life unchanged, or you choose to control the Reapers and only the Reapers. In both options, aside from the obvious fallout from the loss of relays, you're not changing or damaging anything beyond what is strictly necessary to achieve your goal of ending the Reaper threat for this cycle.

Green means playing god. With magic space beams.

[Wattoes]

I burst out laughing when godchild was explaining it.

A giant wave of crap that turns everyone into half man, half machine. Like What. The. F***.

[JrSlackin]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

RxP4IN wrote...

Wouldn't synth hybrids eventually make machines and AI like all advanced civilizations would. You know, to make their lives easier.

That's probably the biggest plot-hole of this debacle of an ending. I, personally, think Control is the best ending. No genocide and no forcing crazy, glowing, circuit tattoos on everyone. Plus, I imagine my Shep taking the whole Reaper fleet and flying them into a black hole.

I think that's the issue with the control one honestly.

It just brings up the question of how much control and reign does Shepard have over the Reapers and for how long.

It's my issue with all three choices honestly is the amount of uknown  that's left before us. It reminds me of an Inception type ending to where I love the movie then coming to the end just leaves with that "is he awake or is he dreaming?" While there's only two options (maybe three if you want to consider him dead) it leaves a huge gap at the end of the movie letting the view decide. Which in that situation it's understandable since there's only TWO options.

With the ending to this, it only ended with more unanswered questions and ended up asking more questions other then "is he awake or is he dreaming". (Hopefully people understand what I'm getting at.)

[GhostlyMaiden]

TonTheTerror wrote...

No the reapers are still alive at the end of synthesis just the citadel and catalyst are destroyed

Really? Guess I misinterpreted how the green light thing was working. Well, maybe it'll at least give the Reapers no reason to continue the cycle since they no longer fit their function. Of course I have no illusions of eternal peace. The geth were able to divide themselves into factions after all, so war and infighting is inevitable. Heh, if I hadn't been able to make peace with the geth and quarians, I probably would have let the geth die. Then my only reservation from taking the Destroy option would be EDI. Probably would have taken it. Oh well, I made my choice. That's how my girl's story ended.

[Kentuckan]

Synthesis is the ending I picked on my first (and thus far only) play-through. It just seemed stupid to pick control after my Shep went on some five minute rant to TIMmy why controlling the reapers were bad, and I'll be damned if I pick destroy after going through all the trouble of giving Geth free will and what not.

Personally I can't abide all this talk of hallucinations and secret indoctrination ... I mean it just seems fans are grasping at straws, and I hate the idea of my Shep suddenly losing his willpower and resolve, more than the idea of green space magic.

[katamuro]

True very true I agree. The one thing is that Bioware said is that we will get answers. But with these endings we just get "here you go it was not their fault for killing all those countless people", No explanation on where the heck they came from or why IT controlled reapers. Who was the race that decided that synthetics and organics cant live together? why? i mean even after getting geth on your side...
Seems like all we did is get a huge army to die so that even more people would die when the relay network went down. After all if normandy was the fastest ship at 55 times the speed of light. then it would take decades to get anywhere.
the total lack of explanation is what makes the endings so strange and lacking. After all if you are deciding the fate of the galaxy wouldnt you be entitled to actually know what happened?