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[Mystic_Angel]

Wishpig wrote...

Where are you people getting these extreme jumps in time? In the ME universe 50,000 years is how long it took for the various species to evolve and conqure space travel. Now they're at a point where the have some understanding of this tech, they simply need to crack the code and BAMN.

We'll prob get a CANON ending, something people got over and now embrace with the Kotor series. Hell, we've already had that happen once with ME2 (one of the endings doesn't count as canon at all). One of the endings in ME3 totally allow for a quick "fix" to the issue.

My point wasn't about people understanding the tech and beeing able to travel through space but about the endings. I cant get into detail in this forum because spoilers are not allowed... but if (as we were told) we should keep our savegames to import them into "something" in the future and these endings would be imported - it would be really really hard to create a game which considers all of these endings AT LEAST if it is not set far in the future where they are no longer effecting the galaxy.

You are right that they could solve all the problems by setting one ending as "canon". But that would cause some serious ****-storming because everybody who imported their savegames and didnt follow that path would be really pissed because - hey - you did not follow our canon way so we changed that for you so you can play this amazing new game even though you imported all your nice savegames which doesnt even matter in the end.

I know - this was done in the past and of courses is possible and all but I dont think it would be that clever and i wouldn't like it all that much personally.

One could explain that these changes were due to mistakes made by historians because of missing evidence or something (as with the protheans) but that would again require the game to be set in a distant future.
Not 50.000 years, because in the real world we have also lost an enormous amount of knowledge of the past already. But if you take the improved technology of the ME-universe into consideration... i dont know.

Could be a little bit difficult to have a game where in your savegame people are completely normal and in another ones everybodys and everythings DNA...and have a distinctive story for both.
(Play through the endings or check them out on youtube if you want to know what i mean)

Modifié par Mystic_Angel, 12 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[Starlight_Sanctuary]

alienatedflea wrote...

Starlight_Sanctuary wrote...

To everyone who actually liked the ending: I'm sorry, but what? I, and many others, in no way expected a happy ending. I expected an ending that made sense. 

*WARNING, SPOILER ALERT. IF YOU READ ON, THAT IS YOUR FAULT*

Why would my ground crew be on the Normandy suddenly escaping with Joker to get out of the Sol system? Where is everyone else who I left back on the Normandy? Why do all of my teammates end up on some deserted planet with random vegetation? And if the Mass Relays are destroyed, how the hell can Shep get reunited with anyone (in my ending, I got to see her breathe... so, she's alive)? Tell me, what can be implied from that? That my teammates decided at the last minute to desert me? Good to know.

I expected Shep to come back from the war with a severe PTSD and a hint of indoctorination, but I also expected her to end up waking up in a rock-hard hospital bed, in a room that is dimly lit, the walls looking damaged, with her remaining teammates above her, smiling victoriously, saying, "we did it Shep"... or if they all died (I saw 4 of my teammates definitely survived in the end, though I don't know where the rest are), I expected to at least meet my love interest, Garrus, up in that little bar and have him say, "You did your best, it is up to the living to make do with what we have given them." I also expected that Shepard would at least think about her Love interest during her 'final' moments! If you romanced anyone other than Liara and Ash/Kaidan, then you'll understand what I'm talking about.


*END SPOILER ALERT*

I mean, hell, I understand that it is okay if Shepard dies in most cases, but shouldn't we be at least GIVEN the option to have a happier ending?
All the endings are grey and very similar to each other, too similar to
each other. They should've gone Final Fantasy X-2 with their endings
(was a crappy game/ sequel, but is a good example on the RIGHT way
to draw conclusions to games). There should be a horrible everyone dies
ending, then there should be a perfect ending, to satisfy the cheesy
ending lovers. Then there should be at least two grey endings that
should learn closer to good or bad. This way, everything would be in
balance. ME3's endings had no balance. There wasn't even a choice to
completely fail, unless you die... and then have to restart from your
last save. (that doesn't even count). And the happiest ending you can get? Well, if you want a spoiler, read above. I got the "perfect" ending. I finished every single side quest available to me. I maxed out my galactic readiness. I played ME1 and 2 and imported their saves into ME3. That "perfect" ending, seems more like a light grey option than a white option.

How can anyone be happy with these endings? There are so many strings that haven't been tied. And if anyone expected unicorns at all, they chose the wrong game series and/or never played the first two games. I don't know if it is just the emptiness that the last 10 minutes of this game has left me with, or if it is just my high expectations that are clouding my judgement, but these things that I pointed out, these are major flaws in the end that shouldn't have been there. I don't blame Bioware as a whole, I blame the writers and the people who allowed these endings to pass through.

~A very disappointed Bioware-fan

in all three mass effect games, the game ended in a cliffhanger...questions still unanswered and more questions arise because of it...I believe it was done in broad strokes for you.  you fill those holes in with your own perspective.  I do not think the endings are bad if you put in the thought required to make it make sense.

Perhaps, but when you think about a trilogy in terms of books, there are often cliffhangers in the first two and then the final one usually (if it is a good book) will have an epilogue to give you closure. It'll tell you what happened to the characters or what someone did next etc. A book doesn't give you a random scene that leaves you going WTF in the end. It is probably also just my hope that Bioware doesn't try to milk the Mass Effect franchise for more than its worth. It would be like writing another Harry Potter book for me, you just don't do it. As for the ending of ME3, I've thought long and hard about it... and I don't get it. I don't get what the writers intentions are, and that is rare for me.  When you draw the end of a story, you want your readers to be left breathless - in the good way. ME3 left me breathless in the bad way simply because of that end. And I know it seems dumb, but I had a chat with one of my best friends yesterday about the ending to ME3, and she felt the exact same way. Though, she felt more cheated than I, considering she romanced Thane (it wasn't that he died, it was more lack of his memory in the end).

[alienatedflea]

Starlight_Sanctuary wrote...

Perhaps, but when you think about a trilogy in terms of books, there are often cliffhangers in the first two and then the final one usually (if it is a good book) will have an epilogue to give you closure. It'll tell you what happened to the characters or what someone did next etc. A book doesn't give you a random scene that leaves you going WTF in the end. It is probably also just my hope that Bioware doesn't try to milk the Mass Effect franchise for more than its worth. It would be like writing another Harry Potter book for me, you just don't do it. As for the ending of ME3, I've thought long and hard about it... and I don't get it. I don't get what the writers intentions are, and that is rare for me.  When you draw the end of a story, you want your readers to be left breathless - in the good way. ME3 left me breathless in the bad way simply because of that end. And I know it seems dumb, but I had a chat with one of my best friends yesterday about the ending to ME3, and she felt the exact same way. Though, she felt more cheated than I, considering she romanced Thane (it wasn't that he died, it was more lack of his memory in the end).

TO be honest when I first got the ending, I was upset..like you but when I took a minute to think over, why the story would end in that way...its because the ending fits the storyline in general...Everyone here had their own little version of how they wish Mass Effect ended but to put that all in a game would have been cost prohibitive for Bioware as well as for us and impractical/unrealistic...The end of sheps story does not mean the end of Mass effect franchise...but it will be pretty hard in my opinion to get fans to think of something else other than Commander Shepard when someone says Mass Effect.  I personally am looking for the next installment of Mass Effect. 

I think at the end of the day, we spent years with Shepard (I mean when did Mass Effect come out?) and to have it all end in a way that we never expected it seemed to really ****** people off.  The endings are appropriate if you think about it.  I do not feel upset about the Mass Effect endings anymore just sad that Shepard's storyline is over.  No more Wrex, Garrus, Liara, Tali, Thane, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kaidan, Ashley, Samara/Monith, Kasumi, Zaead, EDI, and Joker.  I mean I grew to admire each of those characters and to think that it all had to end...kinda sucks dont you think? but I really am excited to see whatever bioware comes out next in regards to the Mass Effect universe.

[crazyrabbits]

alienatedflea wrote...

TO be honest when I first got the ending, I was upset..like you but when I took a minute to think over, why the story would end in that way...its because the ending fits the storyline in general...Everyone here had their own little version of how they wish Mass Effect ended but to put that all in a game would have been cost prohibitive for Bioware as well as for us and impractical/unrealistic...The end of sheps story does not mean the end of Mass effect franchise...but it will be pretty hard in my opinion to get fans to think of something else other than Commander Shepard when someone says Mass Effect.  I personally am looking for the next installment of Mass Effect. 

I think at the end of the day, we spent years with Shepard (I mean when did Mass Effect come out?) and to have it all end in a way that we never expected it seemed to really ****** people off.  The endings are appropriate if you think about it.

I did think about it. The moment BW introduced unexplained green space magic to the franchise (at the end of the third game, no doubt), I decided I was going to vote with my dollar and not support the game. Never mind the terrible circumstances everyone finds themselves in at the end, regardless of which ending is picked.

[wolfstanus]

I'm sorry if I'm necroing this thread but...


Spoiler (I really hate to do this)





Mass effect relays are destroyed.
Dead reapers still remain.
All the smartest and brightest are all in one spot.
All races from the giant ass armada are still near Earth/mars and nearby FTL systems.
Again scientists from all races are gathers in one spot. So they will pretty much only be thinking of how to remake the relays since all tech was derived pretty much from the relays all the scientists with help from reaper remains can remake the relays in a short amount of time. (short as in fn years) but they can do it. Relays don't need to be made as strong as the old one just strong enough to get the job done.

[JSLfromBx]

It's even easier if you chose the control eding, what the reaper destroyed they can reapair, the idea of reaper fleeing into dark space is just plain stupid no way shepard would allow that.
They built the relay once and they will rebuilt them, no way my shep "essence" would let them get away with it after becoming the guardian.

[Spartan B004]

Wishpig wrote...

I agree. I loved Shepard, he/she was awesome, but there is so much more to see and do. ME4 revolving around new characters and rebuilding could be fantastic.

I love the Mass Effect universe. Like the Star Wars universe, there are thousands of stories to be told!

well like people have said, post ME3 is impossible, at least canonically. the relays' destruction results in the destruction of an entire system, effictively killing the chances for post ME3 stuff. anything after just wont make any sense. this is speaking neutrally, even, and not from my frustration at the endings.

[pipsfootyeye]

Now considering Bioware indicated before the release of ME3 that you should keep hold of your saved games, the only conclusion I can draw is that ME4 follows straight on after ME3.

What story they can tell is anyones guess tho.

I see a Bobby Ewing coming here.......

[statistx]

I just hope they don't pull a SW:TOR..."bring out a sequel to a great series, make it an expensive MMO."...they can make an MMO (which i won't play), but I also want my single player sequel (or prequel)!

Also what everyone who says it has to be either Pre or Post Sheppard is missing a point:
The adventures of Shepard took some years (hell he even was "dead" for 2 years in between) so it would also be possible to make another ME DURING Shepards adventures.
Would be kinda cool to hear in the galactic news about Shepard's crew.

Modifié par statistx, 12 mars 2012 - 07:37 .

[kinna]

People still have knowledge and means of building spaceships in Mass Effect universe, they just don't have mass relays. Travel might take a LOT longer but different species can still travel, build things and evolve (unless you chose otherwise). They might even develop technology to recreate the mass relays. So theoretically future games in the Mass Effect universe are possible.

[hestig]

Just imagine finding the VI Liara made ("Writing Your Name in the Stars") in any future game..

Lots and lots of onions will be cut.

[Wishpig]

Spartan B004 wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

I agree. I loved Shepard, he/she was awesome, but there is so much more to see and do. ME4 revolving around new characters and rebuilding could be fantastic.

I love the Mass Effect universe. Like the Star Wars universe, there are thousands of stories to be told!

well like people have said, post ME3 is impossible, at least canonically. the relays' destruction results in the destruction of an entire system, effictively killing the chances for post ME3 stuff. anything after just wont make any sense. this is speaking neutrally, even, and not from my frustration at the endings.

It's not impossible at all. Well, not with ONE of the endings. The "good" ending would be easy to manipulate and use to craft an ME4 storyline. It would need some stretching... I don't know why bioware shot themselves in the foot like this though. People love this universe, I'm sure they would be happy with more, but bioware pretty much said "NOPE!"

You can bet your a** they'll find a way to continue the story, if only because Mass Effect is their cash cow.

kinna wrote...

People still have knowledge and means of
building spaceships in Mass Effect universe, they just don't have mass
relays. Travel might take a LOT longer but different species can still
travel, build things and evolve (unless you chose otherwise). They might
even develop technology to recreate the mass relays. So theoretically
future games in the Mass Effect universe are possible.

Pretty much this. Someone just has to say, "oh hey... look what I made. It's a relay!" And boom... sequel. The "good" ending would make this even easier.

Modifié par Wishpig, 12 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[The Spamming Troll]

alienatedflea wrote...

in all three mass effect games, the game ended in a cliffhanger...questions still unanswered and more questions arise because of it...I believe it was done in broad strokes for you.  you fill those holes in with your own perspective.  I do not think the endings are bad if you put in the thought required to make it make sense.

for a game that was supposed to conclud shepards story, it surely didnt show much conclusion.

idk, i didnt think i was going to play ME3 and have to fill in the blanks at the end with my imagination!

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 12 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Wishing for a ME4 would require first the desire to buy ME3, meaning not yet for me.

[Starlight_Sanctuary]

alienatedflea wrote...

Starlight_Sanctuary wrote...

Perhaps, but when you think about a trilogy in terms of books, there are often cliffhangers in the first two and then the final one usually (if it is a good book) will have an epilogue to give you closure. It'll tell you what happened to the characters or what someone did next etc. A book doesn't give you a random scene that leaves you going WTF in the end. It is probably also just my hope that Bioware doesn't try to milk the Mass Effect franchise for more than its worth. It would be like writing another Harry Potter book for me, you just don't do it. As for the ending of ME3, I've thought long and hard about it... and I don't get it. I don't get what the writers intentions are, and that is rare for me.  When you draw the end of a story, you want your readers to be left breathless - in the good way. ME3 left me breathless in the bad way simply because of that end. And I know it seems dumb, but I had a chat with one of my best friends yesterday about the ending to ME3, and she felt the exact same way. Though, she felt more cheated than I, considering she romanced Thane (it wasn't that he died, it was more lack of his memory in the end).

TO be honest when I first got the ending, I was upset..like you but when I took a minute to think over, why the story would end in that way...its because the ending fits the storyline in general...Everyone here had their own little version of how they wish Mass Effect ended but to put that all in a game would have been cost prohibitive for Bioware as well as for us and impractical/unrealistic...The end of sheps story does not mean the end of Mass effect franchise...but it will be pretty hard in my opinion to get fans to think of something else other than Commander Shepard when someone says Mass Effect.  I personally am looking for the next installment of Mass Effect. 

I think at the end of the day, we spent years with Shepard (I mean when did Mass Effect come out?) and to have it all end in a way that we never expected it seemed to really ****** people off.  The endings are appropriate if you think about it.  I do not feel upset about the Mass Effect endings anymore just sad that Shepard's storyline is over.  No more Wrex, Garrus, Liara, Tali, Thane, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kaidan, Ashley, Samara/Monith, Kasumi, Zaead, EDI, and Joker.  I mean I grew to admire each of those characters and to think that it all had to end...kinda sucks dont you think? but I really am excited to see whatever bioware comes out next in regards to the Mass Effect universe.

I have spent a lot of time thinking about it, as in hours and hours of debating with my friends. Until they give me the option of doing the 'shepard' thing to do, I won't look forward to another Mass Effect. Shepard would've taken those choices and said, "you know what? **** you guys, I'll figure this out without your help." Shepard said **** you to Saren, to the council, to everyone who told her she was wrong and tried to opress her, but she always figured out a way to get around the limitation and beat the odds. Shepard wouldn't have just given in like that. Besides... DESTROYING THE MASS RELAYS DESTROYS ENTIRE STAR SYSTEMS. (not yelling, just emphasizing) There would be nothing left, according to the DLC the arrival, remember? If there is nothing left, then how could ME4 be created? Just something to think about and debate. I mean, I've already debated the hell out of that question, but people still forget that if the mass relays are destroyed, then an entire star system is screwed over. ...but BioWare could fix that problem if they gave Shep another choice in the end.

[VinWizzy]

After all the effects in the gaming community has received because of ME3 (both good and bad), I believe BioWare should give the franchise a rest game wise. They could release some major DLC (3 at the most) before giving it a rest. They should work on either a old IP (Jade Empire 2?; though I haven't played the first) or create a new one, but that would take a a lot of work. Maybe after 2 to 3 or even 4 years before they announce another game in the Mass Effect franchise.

[statistx]

If they do it right and put in a new twist .... non-Shepard and non-Reaper-related ... i don't mind if they work on the next one allready, but Jade Empire would be very nice indeed