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[Ruari]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Lets say BW is firm and says the endings stick and there will not be DLC of another ending. Given how the endings were how would the series go forward with more games? It seems kinda destructive to write those endings and having a universe so rich with information be undone to the point where you might as well not even bother with this franchise and make a new IP.


Lets say the true ending is Shepard taking control of the Reapers. The Citadel is destroyed along with the Mass Relays. How does any new game go forward with this? I just don't see how destroying the Mass Relays solves anything for this franchise. These endings leave nothing left in this franchise to do anything with. Did anything come out of the discovery of the Raloi?


Your thoughts on where the franchise is going if the endings stick?

If this happens, it won't matter. Because to me the series will be as dead as Shepard. I wouldn't even consider buying another Bioware game or DLC for any game I already own after SWTOR and this. I'm tired of throwing away money on empty promises of greatness.

[ZodiEmish]

DarthSlim108 wrote...

Mass Effect 4 will be Joker fighting dinosaurs with a stick on whatever planet he crashed on.

Robot Organic dinosaurs if you picked the systhesis ending.

But to answer the OP. It is dead in my opinion. destroying the relays and the citidel ( more so the relays ) was the end of it.  There is honestly no real way they can recover from this unless they pull something out of left field.

* looks over and sees reaper god standing in left field *

Oh... now I understand... Magical space magic.

[Maj.Pain007]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

gmboy902 wrote...

No Mass Relays, no Citadel, no Mass Effect.

Right on the first two, wrong on the third. E-zero still exists.




Any continuation of the Mass Effect series would revolve around the re-connection of the galaxy, likely around the construction of new Mass Relays.

The question of who builds them where, or if they should be built at all, would tie in with the post-Reaper developments of the species as set up in Shepard's trilogy. W.hether the Krogan have recovered without the genophage, or are a pitiful shadow of whatever is left. The difference between the Quarians interacting with the galaxy as opposed to the Geth, after having centur(y/ies) to re-settle Ranoch/build their singularity. Whether Humans are re-met with warm memories (Paragon Council) or fear and/or suspicion (Renegade Council, Control ending).

Still that buisness on Haestrom. Just an anomaly or something more? Unless they really did scrap that plotline for good. I could see a new Mass Effect game involving the Yagh conquring the galaxy. What of the Raloi?

[Kingthlayer]

The next game will have you play as Javik who leads the Protheans that were stasisfied, because the indoctrinated Protheans didn't sabotage the plan.

You start off by going around to the home worlds of the under developed species and uplifting them with EPT(Elite Prothean Technology)

Once you recruit your team you go through the Omega 6 relay to Dark Space you then confront the Reapers and destroy them.

Mass Effect 1-3 is now completely retconned.

[Malanek]

Mass relays can be rebuilt or a new form of FTL can be developed. There are hundreds of reaper wrecks floating around the sol system to reverse engineer. You have quantum entanglement so you can communicate between Earth and Thessia, Palavan, Sur Kesh etc and build a relay at each end. My criticism of the endings were more the abruptness and lack of content and clarity to them along with the normandy nonsense rather the finishing point.

[Maj.Pain007]

ZodiEmish wrote...

DarthSlim108 wrote...

Mass Effect 4 will be Joker fighting dinosaurs with a stick on whatever planet he crashed on.

Robot Organic dinosaurs if you picked the systhesis ending.

But to answer the OP. It is dead in my opinion. destroying the relays and the citidel ( more so the relays ) was the end of it.  There is honestly no real way they can recover from this unless they pull something out of left field.

* looks over and sees reaper god standing in left field *

Oh... now I understand... Magical space magic.

Reminds me of the ancient aliens guy.

"Space magic"

[Evil Minion]

Civilization obviously survived in some form (old man and kid).

My guess:

ME4 will pick up several hundred years into the future after people have reclaimed the technology necessary for "mass effect."

[iamheartbroken]

How does it move on? Easily, At the beginning of ME4 Shepard wakes up in medical aboard the Normandy, Anderson is standing there and explains that the rest of his squad made it onto the Citadel along with a crapload of allied soldiers, easily fought their way to the control center and opened the arms of the Citadel. Then the device sent out a signal destroying every Reaper in the galaxy.

The Citadel has been cleaned up, relocated to it's old spot, the Council is back in business, and the long road of rebuilding begins. Though there are elements that want to try and take control that you must stop. Perhaps there's a new race that's been discovered in our own galaxy that's a pain in the ass and isn't aware that you, Commander Shepard, have seen it all, and kicked it's ass.

Or on the other hand, you do that, except Shepard needs time to recover so you create a new character to do some ass kicking, picking up one or two old companions, and mostly a lot of new ones. Third human Spectre? Maybe a Salarian? Turian? I doubt we'll ever play an alien, but it'd be fun.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

I really don't see how they could move forward and still keep it "Mass Effect." The very essence of Mass Effect is no more. The races, the citadel, the relays etc. are pretty much all gone. And if it turns out the relays just "fell apart" rather than exploded... What a joke.

Honestly, at this point, I really don't care what they do. I won't be apart of it.

[DarkSpider88]

DarthSlim108 wrote...

Mass Effect 4 will be Joker fighting dinosaurs with a stick on whatever planet he crashed on.

Mass Effect: Dinosaur Planet! Joker= Fox McCloud Liara= The Blue Fox(Kira?) Garrus=Tricky

[Tunapiano]

the series is dead and the trilogy ruined if they don't change the ending

[AxisEvolve]

It moves forward by moving backward..

[Freeway911]

iamheartbroken wrote...

I doubt we'll ever play an alien, but it'd be fun.

Not necessarily we are playing alien races in mp I am sure they could easily be imported into a single player mode of the game. The dialog would just have to reflect that kinda like DA:O.

As for the story I can think of a couple different ways the story can go. One of which is Shep putting things back together with some super secret ship, Normady SR3?, that can jump on its own. Finding the tech to rebuild etc etc.

[Dark_Caduceus]

I almost feel that Bioware should stand by their endings. I thought they were all god awful and a rather fatuous and contrived attempt to appear avant-garde and edgy, but these are their intended endings, for better or worse. I do think we're owed a good explanation however, I'd like to hear every writer and designer weigh in on the decision and elucidate use as to what they were thinking, because for all I'm worth I cannot figure out their logic.

Modifié par Dark_Caduceus, 12 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Mercedes-Benz]

My theory is that Shepard and his team did manage to activate the Crucible and destroy the Reapers (without destroying the Mass Relays), but that he fell unconscious after that, and that the talk with the little kid and those choices at the end were all a hallucination/dream. They can make that canon, and then they can do whatever they want in ME4.

[savaged49]

The citadel is still there with teh control ending...actually its the only ending where it doesnt blow up

[wirelesstkd]

OP, you ask a great question. I wish more people were giving honest responses.

We know that the devs have said they intend to do more with the ME universe. Casey Hudson something like, "we know that people want more from this and we intend to give it to them, but we don't mind making it hard on ourselves" (paraphrasing, of course).

So how do they do it? Wow... great question. One option, I suppose, is that the multiple species left on earth are able to quickly rebuild a relay system. Then a new game takes place a few hundred years in the future where the species have re-established themselves on their homeworlds. Another would be the "it was just a dream" ending.

Both feel a little cheap (the latter more than the former). I wish we could have an honest discussion without people reacting so meanly about the ending. Seriously... if you guys are all done with Bioware forever, would you please leave these forums so the rest of us can have a discussion that doesn't hijacked by haters?

[Maj.Pain007]

Freeway911 wrote...

iamheartbroken wrote...

I doubt we'll ever play an alien, but it'd be fun.

Not necessarily we are playing alien races in mp I am sure they could easily be imported into a single player mode of the game. The dialog would just have to reflect that kinda like DA:O.

As for the story I can think of a couple different ways the story can go. One of which is Shep putting things back together with some super secret ship, Normady SR3?, that can jump on its own. Finding the tech to rebuild etc etc.

There is that little buisness that they said Mass Effect 3 is the end of the Shepard Arc.

[Rykoth]

They will stand by the relays being blasted, I'm 99% sure about that.

Is it possible they'll rewrite the endings? Doubtful. Is it possible they will expand the endings and make them make more sense and thus better then medicore in an epic game? I think so, considering the noise on the BSN. I doubt they'll give a happy shining ending, or "retcon" the mass relay part of it.

I believe the mass relay thing is a seed for ME4 and beyond. A prequel would be boring IMO. If we know the Reapers are coming and Shepard is gonna do his thing, regardless of if you like or dislike the ending, that'll make prequels feel hollow since they can't ever be more epic.

But if they make the ME4 character something along the lines of some Alliance grunt who ends up becoming the "next big damn hero" for the recovery period, regardless of red, blue, or green, someone's gotta pick up the pieces. Someone's gotta be the vanguard for rebuilding. Let's face it, say Shepard survives in the "perfect game," and does get retired. He won't want to do anymore heroics. He'll want to find his squad if at all possible, reunite with his LI, and probably retire quietly while having therapy for the rest of his life.

But the relays? Man, that could be an epic story in of itself. Trying to rediscover the relays. Trying to use leftover Reaper tech (and man if you chose red, that adds new hurdles in of itself) and gather the resources to rebuild.... I could see a far more personal and intimate yet just as "epic" story as possible.

I do think Bioware needs to expand on the endings, but not change them altogether. I thought the writing was fine, if not rushed.

[Dreogan]

They've proven they can't end a trilogy with competence. Why should I, or the huge chunk of people on these very forums, trust them with another series?

Modifié par Dreogan, 12 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[Maj.Pain007]

wirelesstkd wrote...

OP, you ask a great question. I wish more people were giving honest responses.

We know that the devs have said they intend to do more with the ME universe. Casey Hudson something like, "we know that people want more from this and we intend to give it to them, but we don't mind making it hard on ourselves" (paraphrasing, of course).

So how do they do it? Wow... great question. One option, I suppose, is that the multiple species left on earth are able to quickly rebuild a relay system. Then a new game takes place a few hundred years in the future where the species have re-established themselves on their homeworlds. Another would be the "it was just a dream" ending.

Both feel a little cheap (the latter more than the former). I wish we could have an honest discussion without people reacting so meanly about the ending. Seriously... if you guys are all done with Bioware forever, would you please leave these forums so the rest of us can have a discussion that doesn't hijacked by haters?

I feel like no one is discussing the possiblity what it would mean if the endings stick just that the endings were awful and we deserve better.

I think that is a pretty safe assumption that the different alien species come together again to build a relay or super relay. Seems like the best bet if bW keeps things as is. Certainly able to salvage this and provide closure with Commander Shepard.

[Abremms]

I don't think Bioware will change the ending, but I think they will be doing themselves a disservice if they don't flesh them out more, off more explanation, and let us know what kind of shape the galaxy is in after the crucible.

I think the series continuing in the ME universe is entirely possible, and even likely. I don't think a prequel is likely, at least not in the current Human cycle, because the history is so well established. there wouldn't be much room for big choices.

I don't think Shepard will appear as anything but a legend in future games though, even if he survived the crucible, future games will likely be set in the future after some sort of reconstruction. Someone mentioned the Yahg, that would make an interesting antagonist. At least on the small scale, there will have to be some new large scale threat for it to be Mass Effect.

Give it a few hundred years, and folks will have advanced FTL drives and be building new Relays. That could actually be a fun story: Re-establishing the old relay network, negotiating peace and defending worlds, rediscovering colonies lost since the reaper war. would bring that sense of exploration back.

[TudorWolf]

Malanek999 wrote...

Mass relays can be rebuilt or a new form of FTL can be developed. There are hundreds of reaper wrecks floating around the sol system to reverse engineer. You have quantum entanglement so you can communicate between Earth and Thessia, Palavan, Sur Kesh etc and build a relay at each end. My criticism of the endings were more the abruptness and lack of content and clarity to them along with the normandy nonsense rather the finishing point.

While I find the whole "OMG the endings are the worst thing EVAR" shenanigans rather annoying, what you're saying is more or less how I feel too.

Why the hell did Bioware deign to deny us an epilogue?! And that thing with the Normandy just takes the cake :/


I can't see Bioware continuing the series after this, it's require either setting a canon or a retcon. Plus the obvious fan backlash

[Maj.Pain007]

Rykoth wrote...

They will stand by the relays being blasted, I'm 99% sure about that.

Is it possible they'll rewrite the endings? Doubtful. Is it possible they will expand the endings and make them make more sense and thus better then medicore in an epic game? I think so, considering the noise on the BSN. I doubt they'll give a happy shining ending, or "retcon" the mass relay part of it.

I believe the mass relay thing is a seed for ME4 and beyond. A prequel would be boring IMO. If we know the Reapers are coming and Shepard is gonna do his thing, regardless of if you like or dislike the ending, that'll make prequels feel hollow since they can't ever be more epic.

But if they make the ME4 character something along the lines of some Alliance grunt who ends up becoming the "next big damn hero" for the recovery period, regardless of red, blue, or green, someone's gotta pick up the pieces. Someone's gotta be the vanguard for rebuilding. Let's face it, say Shepard survives in the "perfect game," and does get retired. He won't want to do anymore heroics. He'll want to find his squad if at all possible, reunite with his LI, and probably retire quietly while having therapy for the rest of his life.

But the relays? Man, that could be an epic story in of itself. Trying to rediscover the relays. Trying to use leftover Reaper tech (and man if you chose red, that adds new hurdles in of itself) and gather the resources to rebuild.... I could see a far more personal and intimate yet just as "epic" story as possible.

I do think Bioware needs to expand on the endings, but not change them altogether. I thought the writing was fine, if not rushed.

I agree with you there. I think at this point in time its unrealistic to expect BW to rewrite the ending. Expanding it bringing more closure for sure. I do think the Relays are no more and they intend on keeping that in. They never really expanded on the Raloi and Yagh in ME3 but maybe they would play a much larger role in a new game. Something about the Yagh to me scream really really bad. The galaxy is an absolute mess perfect for the Yagh to take over.

[Hebrew42hammer]

Its a great question, where can the franchise go? The same place it could with an AMAZING ending, nowhere. While yeah, if they were hoping for me4 they killed it, but many statements have been made that the franchise is over anyways. Atleast shep's contribution... which for many of us means no matter what they call it, its not ME anyways.

Now, DLC sales for the current game are a different issues. That may be dead in the water, or enough people will still support the first true one and more will be made.

If you meant as a franchise making other story driven games besides ME.... I think they still got steam. Even if they were going to ruin another trilogy... the journey is still the best you can get. Yes, the ending cheapened the game... but all the time on earth before the laser beam was probably the most mature, emotion filled portion any game has ever accomplished. Thats enough to get me to play another series. Why? Bioware does listen to fans... if this ending sticks, another series will be better.

I know they have been making many mistakes recently but.... all those mistakes come from different development teams inside of bioware. The fact that all those projects were released so close together.... user feed back wasnt picked up quickly. And I blame that ex writer more then bioware as a whole.... someone needs to light a bag of dog s*** on his doorstep for every hour each player invested in this game.