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[detroitmechworks]

No no, the sequels will be all about how the remnants of the Galaxy alliance fight the remnants of the Reaper horde...

You'll be able to create any character you want... as long as it matches the class/race restrictions, and engage in fantastic quests with your magic powers... uh I mean, Biotic powers...

They're planning on calling it World Of Mass Effect...

[Drake_1000]

If Bioware dont want to listen the series move without me so i don't care.

[TheDove]

if it moves on, it does so without my money

[Freeway911]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Freeway911 wrote...

iamheartbroken wrote...

I doubt we'll ever play an alien, but it'd be fun.

Not necessarily we are playing alien races in mp I am sure they could easily be imported into a single player mode of the game. The dialog would just have to reflect that kinda like DA:O.

As for the story I can think of a couple different ways the story can go. One of which is Shep putting things back together with some super secret ship, Normady SR3?, that can jump on its own. Finding the tech to rebuild etc etc.

There is that little buisness that they said Mass Effect 3 is the end of the Shepard Arc.

Yep and the makers of Halo gave us the same story about the Master Chief and that didn't happen either. 

[Maj.Pain007]

Abremms wrote...

I don't think Bioware will change the ending, but I think they will be doing themselves a disservice if they don't flesh them out more, off more explanation, and let us know what kind of shape the galaxy is in after the crucible.

I think the series continuing in the ME universe is entirely possible, and even likely. I don't think a prequel is likely, at least not in the current Human cycle, because the history is so well established. there wouldn't be much room for big choices.

I don't think Shepard will appear as anything but a legend in future games though, even if he survived the crucible, future games will likely be set in the future after some sort of reconstruction. Someone mentioned the Yahg, that would make an interesting antagonist. At least on the small scale, there will have to be some new large scale threat for it to be Mass Effect.

Give it a few hundred years, and folks will have advanced FTL drives and be building new Relays. That could actually be a fun story: Re-establishing the old relay network, negotiating peace and defending worlds, rediscovering colonies lost since the reaper war. would bring that sense of exploration back.

You brign up something interesting. The fact that Shepard defeats this cycle leaves everyone with the technology minus the citadel and mass relays. Who knows what the galactic community will achieve.

[Doofe2012]

To a great deal of people, Bioware has basically proven that they are running out of ideas for stories and really can't make games the way they used to. Especially under EA's wing. I wouldn't be surprised if <4 years Bioware simply falls in line with all the other developers to make generic FPS games. I mean, they make money. And they SURE as hell are not going to be making much dough from hardcore WRPG fans for whom ME3 may have been the last straw. Not to mention that they will be able to continue using in abundance things that ME3 had in droves: over-the-top action cutscenes, auto-dialogue, melodrama, and military gung-ho attitudes.

This is what happens when supercorporations like EA take control of the quality "little guys" and try to "fix" them in the name of making more money. Everything starts being closer to the same thing. Take music, for example. Wonder why pretty much all record label music is so similar? Trace it back far enough and everything falls under 4 major companies: UMG, Sony, EMI, and Warner.

Modifié par Doofe2012, 12 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[wirelesstkd]

TudorWolf wrote...

While I find the whole "OMG the endings are the worst thing EVAR" shenanigans rather annoying, what you're saying is more or less how I feel too.

Why the hell did Bioware deign to deny us an epilogue?! And that thing with the Normandy just takes the cake :/


I can't see Bioware continuing the series after this, it's require either setting a canon or a retcon. Plus the obvious fan backlash

As much as I liked the endings, I think they would have been better with some kind of epilogue. But I think it's the difference of "leaving it to our imagination" versus "spelling it out." I respect Bioware's decision. It was ballsy, for sure

I do think they will continue it, though. I had always assumed that they would set some cannon for going forward. I think they can do it without a retcon (ie, the systems get rebuilt), but for sure, a cannon would need to be established.

The other idea I had was that they COULD do a prequel if they go back to the proto-species and the creation of the reapers. It would have to be like a Star Wars style, "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" type of thing, but it could be REALLY interesting and a lot of fun. I don't expect that, though, but it would be cool.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Basically, there's no Mass Effect anymore. It was a space opera, but now FTL travel is all but impossible in anything but the long term. The series can't move forward in time unless they massively retcon the endings or set it in a future/past so distant as to be unrecognizable.

[djy1994]

Vaktathi wrote...

 I am going to say this.

Mass Effect was the best video game series I'd ever played, eclipsing my previous favorites easily. I really didn't have anything to complain about in terms of content that I couldn't overlook or let my suspension of disbelief take care of, and had a blast playing ME1 and ME2 multiple times, and ME3 was incredible aside from the dreams about the little child which seemed very out of place, but they were short so whatever I just moved on. 

Then the I reached the last 5 minutes of the game. The little child was there in some sort of "higher power" form, gives some completely comprehensible reasoning behind the Reapers actions (that were supposedly incomprehensible), a reason Shepard can prove uncategorically untrue through the unification of the Geth and Quarrians and EDI's existence and integration into the crew/relationship with Joker. Then we get the ending from DeusEx 12 years ago (right down to the same colors used), with a "pick a door option", the galaxy's transportation infrastructure annihilated, our squad somehow teleported from the ruins of London to the Normandy running away from an explosion and crashing, and the bulk of the Galaxy's fighting forces stuck in Earth orbit, and nothing about any of our squadmates, friends, comrades, or the galaxy's responses and subsequent activities in the wake of the end of the Reaper attacks. I don't care if the ending is Grimdark or not, I might actually prefer Grimdark, but at least have it make sense and provide a sense of closure.

With this ending, even the "best" ending, my desire to see anything else in the game universe, at least anything that isn't directly altering that ending, has dropped to practically zero. Even if additional Mass Effect games/movies/etc are released, I just can't bring myself to care about them given the ending we have for Shepard's saga and the galaxy at large. Same reason I can't bring myself to replay ME1 and ME2 again right now, I know where it ends and I don't like where it ends. 



Ultimately, unless the current endings are changed, further ME content will be irrelevant to me. 

 

Honestly, I have to agree with Vaktathi on this there has to be a sense of closure on this series. I love Mass Effect  and ME2 but I don't know what I could say about ME3, i loved playing it but the ending itself and also no closure was dreadful in my eyes. I don't think i could play a Mass Effect game without shepard in it and i cannot see this moving forward at all after this. I'm still confused with the ending with the kid and the old person.

[Spectre_Shepard]

it doesn't.

[Hebrew42hammer]

wirelesstkd wrote...

TudorWolf wrote...

While I find the whole "OMG the endings are the worst thing EVAR" shenanigans rather annoying, what you're saying is more or less how I feel too.

Why the hell did Bioware deign to deny us an epilogue?! And that thing with the Normandy just takes the cake :/


I can't see Bioware continuing the series after this, it's require either setting a canon or a retcon. Plus the obvious fan backlash

As much as I liked the endings, I think they would have been better with some kind of epilogue. But I think it's the difference of "leaving it to our imagination" versus "spelling it out." I respect Bioware's decision. It was ballsy, for sure

I do think they will continue it, though. I had always assumed that they would set some cannon for going forward. I think they can do it without a retcon (ie, the systems get rebuilt), but for sure, a cannon would need to be established.

The other idea I had was that they COULD do a prequel if they go back to the proto-species and the creation of the reapers. It would have to be like a Star Wars style, "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" type of thing, but it could be REALLY interesting and a lot of fun. I don't expect that, though, but it would be cool.

I like the fact that they did something that would cause mass emotional outcry, making a desperate situation for you to fall into. Emotional scale... broken. Just the presentation equaled s*** sandwhich.

[Maj.Pain007]

Hebrew42hammer wrote...

Its a great question, where can the franchise go? The same place it could with an AMAZING ending, nowhere. While yeah, if they were hoping for me4 they killed it, but many statements have been made that the franchise is over anyways. Atleast shep's contribution... which for many of us means no matter what they call it, its not ME anyways.

Now, DLC sales for the current game are a different issues. That may be dead in the water, or enough people will still support the first true one and more will be made.

If you meant as a franchise making other story driven games besides ME.... I think they still got steam. Even if they were going to ruin another trilogy... the journey is still the best you can get. Yes, the ending cheapened the game... but all the time on earth before the laser beam was probably the most mature, emotion filled portion any game has ever accomplished. Thats enough to get me to play another series. Why? Bioware does listen to fans... if this ending sticks, another series will be better.

I know they have been making many mistakes recently but.... all those mistakes come from different development teams inside of bioware. The fact that all those projects were released so close together.... user feed back wasnt picked up quickly. And I blame that ex writer more then bioware as a whole.... someone needs to light a bag of dog s*** on his doorstep for every hour each player invested in this game.

I guess my question wasn't properly worded but either or would suffice. Everything you said makes sense to me. BW doesn't seem the type to ignore its fans on such a pressing issue. The only thing that strikes me the endings were planned was the cinematics after you make your choice. Making a cinematic like they did means they finalized it. Just bring us some closure BW!

[Ranicus56]

I wish Shepard died there with Anderson that would have been a better ending.

[Shinzarn]

Well, theoretically the game could move on, but why? No true Mass Effect fan will accept playing as anyone but Shepard, with Shepard's crew. No true fan will accept a new character in Shep's place. Mass Effect is Shepard's story. It is not the story of a galaxy, of the Relays, or the Reapers. Mass Effect is the story of Commander Shepard, Soldier, Spectre, Leader, and Friend. To attempt Mass Effect without Shepard is unthinkable.

With an ending change, it is possible, but even then, I would argue that it shouldn't happen. Shepard has served, above and beyond what could ever be expected. The Reapers are done, in form or another, and it is time for Shepard to rest. If they go on with Mass Effect, I say with a heavy heart that I cannot in good conscience, join them. I love Mass Effect with all my heart and soul, but after the end atrocity and the visceral betrayal of my faith, I am done. Even with a new ending where everything I want happens, I can't continue Mass Effect into a new game. Shepard has done enough. I will play any and all DLC for ME3, and pray and hope for a new ending, but with or without one, Mass Effect is over. And without a new ending, my Bioware experience is over as well.

[frostajulie]

Hizuka wrote...

However it moves forward, if they don't fix this, it's moving forward without me.

Same here.  No DLC No prequels sequels or movies. I am done.  And I am so bitter I will badmouth them all over the internets to discourage new fans.

[Hebrew42hammer]

with anderson and shep staring out that big window.... my god that would of been the best ending in game history on any game if that was the ending. THAT was tragedy with SUPERB story telling. Toss in some epilogues and perfect. Just suddenly decide a ME4 will come out to give you more time to make a better real ending . I bet the fan base would of erupted in joy with them then.

Modifié par Hebrew42hammer, 12 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[Voods07]

 Its obviously going to have some significance [the endings], simply because Bioware told us to "hang on" to our Mass Effect 3 saves.

Won't matter to me, I'm done with the studio if we dont get some kind of address to endings. Whether it be a "F*** you" or a "we dun goofed!". The later will still hold me to Bioware, albeit MUCH more careful approaching their work.

I'll be a trade-in/pre-owned fan for Bioware from now on, despite being a PC gamer I'll have to succumb to playing their products on console from now on.

Modifié par Voods07, 12 mars 2012 - 02:49 .

[Hebrew42hammer]

Voods07 wrote...

 Its obviously going to have some significance [the endings], simply because Bioware told us to "hang on" to our Mass Effect 3 saves.

Won't matter to me, I'm done with the studio if we dont get some kind of address to endings. Whether it be a "F*** you" or a "we dun goofed!". The later will still hold me to Bioware, albeit MUCH more careful approaching their work.

Hopefully it wont be, "because we got a new IP, and if you have a ME3 save, you get a hat in the new game."

[bloodstalker1973]

RTS as various stranded lifeforms compete for resources and domination in the Sol system leading into a WoW style MMO where you can choose your side and fight it out forever.

[goose2989]

I won't be buying any DLC for ME3, that's for sure

[Rykoth]

It's not like Bioware sat in the writers room and said "hey let's craft an epic 30 hour story and then ****** on it to make people angry."

People take it too personally. Yes, people have a right to be dissatisfied. But they do not have the right to accuse Bioware of being malicious trolls just because their creativity and or their budget demanded an ending that didn't match the quality of the rest of the game. Would it be nice if they expanded, sure, but it would also be nice if instead of "I hate Bioware" people understood that sometimes, people choke. Sometimes, you outdo yourself constantly, that the only place to go is down.

I guarantee, if the endings were amazing, even by most peoples' standards here on the BSN? There'd still be a legion of people making hundreds of "I hate the end" threads. I guarantee. Why? Because ending an epic saga is not an easy task.

[Thoragoros]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Lets say BW is firm and says the endings stick and there will not be DLC of another ending. Given how the endings were how would the series go forward with more games? It seems kinda destructive to write those endings and having a universe so rich with information be undone to the point where you might as well not even bother with this franchise and make a new IP.


Lets say the true ending is Shepard taking control of the Reapers. The Citadel is destroyed along with the Mass Relays. How does any new game go forward with this? I just don't see how destroying the Mass Relays solves anything for this franchise. These endings leave nothing left in this franchise to do anything with. Did anything come out of the discovery of the Raloi?


Your thoughts on where the franchise is going if the endings stick?

Given that ME 3's  ending essentially destroyed the 'Mass Effect' that made space travel possible, and wiped out all synthetic life, thereby plunging the galaxy into a veritable dark age, I'd say they basically destroyed what made the Mass Effect Universe the Mass Effect Universe.

It's like taking the Force out of Star Wars or the Imperium out of 40k, it just doesn't work because it wouldn't be any fun.

[Warhawk7137]

It actually wouldn't be that hard to move on, even in a relatively short time span. You're underestimating the ability of a competent writer to write his or her way out of a hole.

Plenty of ways to go about it.

[Blightrose]

Turkeysock wrote...

Well they loose a lot of diehard fans. I know folks who abandoned Bioware after KOTAR 2.

Why ?
They didnt make the game.

[symbiotics]

Turkeysock wrote...

Well they loose a lot of diehard fans. I know folks who abandoned Bioware after KOTAR 2.

KOTOR 2 was Obsidian not Bioware