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[Warhawk7137]

Eksessive wrote...

CajunRexShepard wrote...

I agree with most of the above but feel it necessary to point out KOTOR 2 was not a bioware game, and it showed.

Even if they make a new Mass Relay, or fix the old one in the Sol System, it still won't function. They work like phones, you need another one working at the destination. They would still have to travel the slow way to whatever destination they want for the new/fixed Relay.

To get the galaxy back to where it was before the atrocious endings of ME3, would take literally 10s of thousands of years. Traveling at the speed of light, a straight shot across our galaxy would take 100,000 years. Even if we were ridiculously generous with the ME FTL speeds, and say there were 10 times the speed of light, a straight shot across the galaxy would take 10,000 years.

In other words, Bioware nuked their entire game universe with this crap. This, is what pisses me off so much about these endings. They destroy the future that my Shepard fought so hard for.

Someone else already brought up QECs, so I won't harp on that point (except to note that the Normandy had a bunch of them, so assuming the ending isn't a hallucination, why couldn't they just call for help?).

But...

Conventional FTL travel in the ME universe is 12 light years per day.  That's extremely fast.  That's Noveria from Earth in about 4 months, assuming you can bring enough fuel with you and plot a course where you can stop to discharge your drive core (which, with a ship like the Normandy, which doesn't actually need conventional fuel - read the codex - and can go a long time without discharging its drive core, isn't much of a problem).

If it wasn't that fast, then the Normandy traveling within clusters wouldn't make any sense, because that would take years in itself.

[Warhawk7137]

Eksessive wrote...

Intergalactic communication? Yeah, that was handled with the relays as well. Everything that had to bridge the staggeringly huge distances between stellar clusters was handled by the Relays. Go read your ME1 codex entries. The quantum entanglement communications that Anderson and Hacket used to talk to Shepard, that requires 2 quantum particles created together, and then seperated. So that isn't going to work either, unless you fly one of the pair off to who you want to talk to, and fly there the REALLY slow way.

Sorry, destroying the Relays kills this game universe. Anything that re-unites this galaxy anything short of a couple of millenia will just be more ridiculous space magic. Many people seem to be forgetting just how ludirously vast our galaxy is.

Most intergalactic communication was handled with the relays.  But, there are QECs around.  The issue is that they're expensive, so there's not a lot of them, but that doesn't mean that they're not an option.  You're making the assumption that they'd have to build new ones and distribute them, when there's a pretty decent chance there's already a bunch in place.  Not enough for everybody to talk to their friends on other planets, obviously, but probably enough so that high-level communication between planets would be possible.

[Ariaya]

At the moment, it's very difficult for me to get even remotely enthusiastic about any future Mass Effect games, whether they are prequels or set after the events of the Crucible. I detest the illogical and overly bleak ending with its complete lack of closure. Honestly, I don't ever want to feel this way again. As much as I loved Mass Effect, I don't think I could muster up the desire to continue with the series; I have no faith in it anymore.

Maybe if Shepard had died with some shred of dignity, some spark left of the Shepard that I knew and loved--I would feel differently. But she didn't.

I can't reconcile myself to it. I just can't.

So no. Whether or not ME continues, as things stand now I will not be coming along for the ride.

[Genome852]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

I believe if they do an ME4, which I think EA might demand. They will set it in the future in a time where galaxy has rebuilt. Shepard will be nothing more than legend lost to history (Stargazer points this out). We will be a new protagonist on a different journey.

Only I will not be participating in this new alien universe.

These are my thoughts exactly.

Next ME set a long, long time later after the galaxy has rebuilt itself.

[Abremms]

Eksessive wrote...

Intergalactic communication? Yeah, that was handled with the relays as well. Everything that had to bridge the staggeringly huge distances between stellar clusters was handled by the Relays. Go read your ME1 codex entries. The quantum entanglement communications that Anderson and Hacket used to talk to Shepard, that requires 2 quantum particles created together, and then seperated. So that isn't going to work either, unless you fly one of the pair off to who you want to talk to, and fly there the REALLY slow way.

Sorry, destroying the Relays kills this game universe. Anything that re-unites this galaxy anything short of a couple of millenia will just be more ridiculous space magic. Many people seem to be forgetting just how ludirously vast our galaxy is.

I was refering to the quantum entaglement communicators, and I was under the impression that by the time the crucible went into action those had become a primary means of strategic communication amongst the fleets and races. Even if it wasn't explicitely stated, it would make sense. they would be ultra-secure. Standard communication of the comm bouys is probably toast, but if there are quantum communicators out there, and there is nothing that says there aren't, then communication between the races will continue. 

I'm well aware of how vast the galaxy is, You seem to be unware of life's penchant for overcoming adversity. Again, Technology doesn't stand still. That is simply not something that happens. Ever. Even over the three years depicted in the Shepard trilogy, there were huge advances in technology. With the Relay's gone, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the races won't find other ways to get around.

Besides, when it comes down too it, its science fiction. One core principle of which is to extrapolate upon known scientific theory to imagine something fascinating, new, and naratively useful. 

Modifié par Abremms, 12 mars 2012 - 03:51 .

[Malanek]

Eksessive wrote...

Intergalactic communication? Yeah, that was handled with the relays as well. Everything that had to bridge the staggeringly huge distances between stellar clusters was handled by the Relays. Go read your ME1 codex entries. The quantum entanglement communications that Anderson and Hacket used to talk to Shepard, that requires 2 quantum particles created together, and then seperated. So that isn't going to work either, unless you fly one of the pair off to who you want to talk to, and fly there the REALLY slow way.

This has already been done and is prevalent accross the galaxy. Earth can talk to Thessia for example.

[wirelesstkd]

I honestly hadn't considered how not-screwed civilization was, regarding rebuilding the tech. This thread really puts things in a new perspective...

[Dracotamer]

Bioware will lost a large portion of their customers and have to layoff employees if everyone keeps their word in regards to boycotting future games.

[Slappy Ya Face]

It won't. Everybody's jumping ship. *Leaps over railing.*

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 12 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[wirelesstkd]

Dracotamer wrote...

Bioware will lost a large portion of their customers and have to layoff employees if everyone keeps their word in regards to boycotting future games.

They won't. And even if they do, this is just a tiny fraction of the people who buy the game. This forum is a very vocal minority of people.

[KRAETZNER]

Well since the only species that isn't really screwed are the Krogan, and the Yahg, I'm guessing the next game will be playing as Wrex's halfbreed daughter Shade Monger.

[Pedro Costa]

"How does the series move forward?"
Don't know, don't care.
Due to these endings, I've sadly lost all interest in the ME franchise.

[Maj.Pain007]

wirelesstkd wrote...

Dracotamer wrote...

Bioware will lost a large portion of their customers and have to layoff employees if everyone keeps their word in regards to boycotting future games.

They won't. And even if they do, this is just a tiny fraction of the people who buy the game. This forum is a very vocal minority of people.

Pretty much nailed it. I for one am very interested how they handle a new Mass Effect game. I wish they gave us a proper epilogue though. Kinda like Dragon age:Origins. Would have been nice.

[Scoliosis]

Hizuka wrote...

However it moves forward, if they don't fix this, it's moving forward without me.

This

[Nefelius]

KRAETZNER wrote...

Well since the only species that isn't really screwed are the Krogan, and the Yahg, I'm guessing the next game will be playing as Wrex's halfbreed daughter Shade Monger.

All the species are screwed. Mass Realys' big badaboom = end of the galaxy life.

[healed1337]

Turkeysock wrote...

Well they loose a lot of diehard fans. I know folks who abandoned Bioware after KOTAR 2.

lol, KOTOR 2 wasn't developed by Bioware, but by Obsidian. What were they thinking?

Bioware has always been good at listening to their fans. They'll need at least a few weeks before they can make any official announcement anyway, and they'll need more to finish putting another ending together - patience.

I actually liked the ending and I while I'd check out an alternate ending if they created one, I hope it wouldn't remove the current one.

[bulldog2012]

I'd assume it would have to be a prequel, wouldn't it? A game all about the Protheans and Javik?

[kramerfan86]

it would have to be a prequel or a game set a ridiculous amount of time in the future. Any sequel wont be connected to this game directly IMO, it will be a weak connection in that they are in the milky way galaxy.

[asilarae]

MajorStranger wrote...

What ending? I don't understand. My game finished with the destruction of the Cerberus HQ and the death of Kai Leng!

You get all of my +1s. 

[Maj.Pain007]

Nefelius wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

Well since the only species that isn't really screwed are the Krogan, and the Yahg, I'm guessing the next game will be playing as Wrex's halfbreed daughter Shade Monger.

All the species are screwed. Mass Realys' big badaboom = end of the galaxy life.

As other have pointed out there is a way out of this little hole they made.

[Maj.Pain007]

Any new developments?