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[vGriMz]

Well, to be honest, the SMG's are currently useless, and are not worth using. Pistol does more damage, has more accuracy, and longer range, and don't require you to spray.
I agree with the Revenant. It's horrible compared to what it used to be like and it only works with one class, and even then, other guns are better to use. Maybe they get better when they're at X and are reasonable, but really, that's going to take a while.

[Sevrun]

The Revenant does exactly what it's supposed to. I use it to Devastating effect at short/mid range and force the enemy into cover at longer ranges. Exactly what a machine gun is designed for. Don't blame the gun because you don't know when to duck. I use my Avenger X currently because the weight tradeoff is a bit much for the extra rounds. When I can chew a Brute down before he makes a second lunge, there's NOTHING wrong with my Revenant Get similar results against Atlas and Banshee as well.

May I recommend short controlled bursts? Or perhaps _squeezing_ the trigger instead of yanking? It's a firearm, not... nevermind, that'd hurt someone's feelings.

[jzzabelle]

Sevrun wrote...

The Revenant does exactly what it's supposed to. I use it to Devastating effect at short/mid range and force the enemy into cover at longer ranges. Exactly what a machine gun is designed for. Don't blame the gun because you don't know when to duck. I use my Avenger X currently because the weight tradeoff is a bit much for the extra rounds. When I can chew a Brute down before he makes a second lunge, there's NOTHING wrong with my Revenant Get similar results against Atlas and Banshee as well.

May I recommend short controlled bursts? Or perhaps _squeezing_ the trigger instead of yanking? It's a firearm, not... nevermind, that'd hurt someone's feelings.

Try using it on Gold. Revenant can't even spray down a Geth Pyro with 80 rounds

[TexasToast712]

jzzabelle wrote...

Sevrun wrote...

The Revenant does exactly what it's supposed to. I use it to Devastating effect at short/mid range and force the enemy into cover at longer ranges. Exactly what a machine gun is designed for. Don't blame the gun because you don't know when to duck. I use my Avenger X currently because the weight tradeoff is a bit much for the extra rounds. When I can chew a Brute down before he makes a second lunge, there's NOTHING wrong with my Revenant Get similar results against Atlas and Banshee as well.

May I recommend short controlled bursts? Or perhaps _squeezing_ the trigger instead of yanking? It's a firearm, not... nevermind, that'd hurt someone's feelings.

Try using it on Gold. Revenant can't even spray down a Geth Pyro with 80 rounds

You are supposed to engage armored enemies with heavy hitting, slow firing weapons. Also, just shoot the tanks on a Pyro.

[Zzinged]

Whoever made that spreadsheet is doing it wrong. How are you supposed to sort values by ascending or descending order if the important values such as dps are on the Y axis?

Also, pls2buff the incisor and disciple.

[MetallicaRulez0]

All of the SMGs, basically.

Shuriken has so much kick that's it's completely unusable. PLUS it does awful damage when you can manage to wrangle it's kick.

Locust does such pitiful damage that it's completely unusable. It takes more than a full clip of HEADSHOTS to get a kill against regular Troopers on BRONZE. That is just... wow. Seriously?

The only one I've used that isn't completely horrible is the Tempest, and even it is totally outclassed by any Pistol or the Avenger in any situation, at any range.

Modifié par MetallicaRulez0, 12 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[Reaver102]

For the smg's is the light weight materials mod in the multiplayer?

[Apollys]

There are really only two weapons I use across all my classes in this game: Carnifex and Widow (would use Black Widow instead if I had it)

[Ediblestarfish]

Actually, guns overall, besides maybe pistols and sniper rifles need a buff. I find it much easier to use classes that are power dependent with a 200% cooldown bonus instead of a weapon using class.

[KylieDog]

SHotguns, SMGs and Assault rifles are all useless. If you like going power made, use a pistol, if you like gunplay, sniper rifle.

Anything else is inferior. Applies to any class.

[H3 Crimson]

I actually use SMG's a lot because I have the Hornet X and Light Weight Materials V, meaning I basically get a back up weapon for no weight (literally, on my asari adept I had it and a carnifex and still had 200% recharge rate). I find it does decent enough damage in a pinch, although the recoil is a bit ridiculous.

It's true that I'd never use an SMG as my primary weapon, so I suppose they could do with a buff.

[eschaeron]

KylieDog wrote...

SHotguns, SMGs and Assault rifles are all useless. If you like going power made, use a pistol, if you like gunplay, sniper rifle.

Anything else is inferior. Applies to any class.

Untrue. Assault Rifles in the hands of Turians, especially the Vindicator, are extremely powerful. And shotgun Infiltrators can be pretty efficient. But the weapons need buff, notably clip size for shotguns, lower recoil and higher damage for SMGs, and better damage against armor for assault rifles, IMHO.

[Fortack]

Weapons are a complete mess. They are too weak compared to powers, spamming powers wins the day, those who use weapons (or try to) are gimping themselves.

[chris fenton]

 Most shotguns and all SMGs.
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[Kronner]

Fortack wrote...

Weapons are a complete mess. They are too weak compared to powers, spamming powers wins the day, those who use weapons (or try to) are gimping themselves.

Agreed. There are only few weapons that come close to the devastating effect powers have.

[eschaeron]

Fortack wrote...

Weapons are a complete mess. They are too weak compared to powers, spamming powers wins the day, those who use weapons (or try to) are gimping themselves.

Powers are pretty weak against Armor (disregarding grenades, which can't be spammed, except Proxy mines, that are pretty effective). Armored enemies include: Brutes, Ravagers, Banshees, Geth Primes, Geth Pyros, Atlases and Turrets. So I would argue weapons do have a place.

[DontLickTheSoap]

You're all doing it wrong.

Widow/BW + Reload trick * 4 infiltrators = 75k every 20 minutes.

[eschaeron]

DontLickTheSoap wrote...

You're all doing it wrong.

Widow/BW + Reload trick * 4 infiltrators = 75k every 20 minutes.

Congratulations. Exploiting is so sexy. Especially since without it, Gold with 4 Infiltrators is already not that hard. Except against the Reapers, of course.

[DontLickTheSoap]

eschaeron wrote...

DontLickTheSoap wrote...

You're all doing it wrong.

Widow/BW + Reload trick * 4 infiltrators = 75k every 20 minutes.

Congratulations. Exploiting is so sexy. Especially since without it, Gold with 4 Infiltrators is already not that hard. Except against the Reapers, of course.

It's easy against the reapers too with a solid communicable team. But the fact is.. with this horrid unlock system that makes it virtually impossible to get upgraded N7 weapons, exploiting is not only sexy... but necessary.

[jzzabelle]

eschaeron wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Weapons are a complete mess. They are too weak compared to powers, spamming powers wins the day, those who use weapons (or try to) are gimping themselves.

Powers are pretty weak against Armor (disregarding grenades, which can't be spammed, except Proxy mines, that are pretty effective). Armored enemies include: Brutes, Ravagers, Banshees, Geth Primes, Geth Pyros, Atlases and Turrets. So I would argue weapons do have a place.

You don't know anything about biotic detonations, do you?
Warp + throw = Banshee dead before you can even pull off 3 sniper shots

[eschaeron]

Yes I do. And no it isn't. Well, on Bronze, maybe, but then again, Banshees on Bronze are not that threatening. On Gold, not so much. Biotic detonations do nice damage, but nothing that can compare in sheer instant damage with Cloak+ Widow shot on Gold.

[eldrjth]

DontLickTheSoap wrote...
 Reload trick *

whats this? 

[Cloaking_Thane]

eldrjth wrote...

DontLickTheSoap wrote...
 Reload trick *

whats this? 

After you see the see the number pop up in the reload, melee.

[Cloaking_Thane]

I've used every weapon I've gotten (almost all of them). and only the smgs feel under powered, they need to strip shields/barriers faster than they currently do IMO.

Everything else is pretty good, otherwise you would have the same gun and no diversity whatsoever.

[DontLickTheSoap]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

eldrjth wrote...

DontLickTheSoap wrote...
 Reload trick *

whats this? 

After you see the see the number pop up in the reload, melee.

Don't melee because that's just another animation, albeit a quick one... if you hit Y (cloak on the xbox cotnroller) when you hear the click or see the number pop, it'll just cancel the animation entirely. After running a few matches you'll get good with incorporating cloak/energy drain into the mix and be a killing machine. 100k+ on gold every time.

Modifié par DontLickTheSoap, 12 mars 2012 - 12:55 .