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Penny Arcade employee criticizes fan campaign against ME3 endings; BioWare developer Manveer Heir re-tweets his thoughts *READ MY DISCLAIMER; BE CIVIL*


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#26
Abirn

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I wouldn't even care if the ending explained what the catalyst was

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Reapinger

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Epique Phael767 wrote...

Darth Howie wrote...

But the Great Gatsby had a good ending....

Not the way I read it.


It definitely did. There's a distinct difference between grimdark and paradise lost. 

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The ending doesn't have to be happy bunnies. But that doesn't mean unhappy ending gets a free pass to be illogical. The Normandy suddenly using a relay and escaping the beam of destruction/control/merge with squadmates teleported on it from Earth doesn't make any sense nor is explained in anyway.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 12 mars 2012 - 03:42 .


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Militarized wrote...

I'm not used to twitter.. is retweeting like supporting what he says or replying?


Supporting.

And again, everyone. BE CIVIL. You'll make the desire for a less senseless finale look just as silly as some think it is if you come across as raving lunatics about it.

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TarielMaeda

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Not sure if srs or just trolling

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TheAsphodel

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Solduri wrote...

he obviously isn't a real fan of the series or he would understand the outrage


Careful, lets not go into "no true Scotsman" business here.

Modifié par TheAsphodel, 12 mars 2012 - 03:40 .


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Epique Phael767 wrote...

I do believe we should remind them who really pays their salaries.


I hate to say it but they already have our money for this game. Where they might be hurt is on their next games, TOR  and DLC.

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Legendaryred wrote...

Don't really know who he is.


In basic, its a lamprey that attached itself to the gaming communities years ago because a guy could draw gaming relevent comics, then somewhere in there an agent got involved and somehow Penny Arcade is some kind of bastion of profound gaming insight and witticism.

I'll bet my last dollar that Yahtzee is going to come out next Wednesday and make all these gaming "media" people look like over-opinionated, out of touch douchebags.

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Shinobu

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Jeff, posting this is inflammatory and can't go anywhere good.

Mr. Heir is probably hurt and disappointed, so he's coping with sarcasm. The BSN is hurt and disappointed and won't react well to sarcasm.

Damn, it's like Horizon all over again.

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Thoragoros

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Maybe this dude has an answer for why the heck the Reaper devil-machines would surrender control to their arch-enemy while they were on the cusp of victory?

Or are irrational endings somehow excusable?

And who the f**ck is penny arcade anyway and what the hell does the Great Gastby have to do with Mass Effect?!?!

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deathscythe517

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Taylor, it's going to get ugly before it gets better. Really really ugly, you don't tell people to be civilized only to turn around and mock them in the same breath, it's like a bully telling someone to just sit there and take the punches.

Thankfully I'm not going to resort to this same kind of offhand smugness, it seems like any major game outlet and its professional reviewers love to be egotistical and then have their impenetrable barricade of fans flock to defend them. Isn't that something? Take a contrary stance to ****** people off for giggles and because you're untouchable.

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OblivionDawn

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I quite frankly couldn't care less about Penny Arcade. Never even been to the website.

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Taleroth

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I get the idea. The idea that art should be what the artist wants it to be.

I also get that the idea of what the "artist" is is more nebulous now than ever. Which of the 5 editions of Blade Runner are what the artist wanted? Which edition of Star Wars? Which edition of Empire Strikes Back? Would you care to know that Lucas wasn't directly involved in that film, he did not write it, he did not direct it, I'm not even sure if he was in the same country, let alone near the set, how does he get to change it?

Is Serenity contemptible because the fanbase was unsatisfied with Objects in Space. Objects in Space is where it was decided Firefly should end. And Farscape ended with John and Aeryn dead on a lake.

So who is the artist? Is it the writer? The director? What about the producer? The guy who signs the checks? What if they disagree with one another on how it should end? And why is the fans asking them to change their mind so worthy of contempt?

Modifié par Taleroth, 12 mars 2012 - 03:43 .


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SilentWolfie

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Game over bioware. Your staff just made History.

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nitefyre410

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Yeah.. they have not finished the game... just wait.  

and if they have and  Penny Arcade Supports this nonsense the Bioware shipped as ending as INTELLIGENT.. well then  the world is FUBAR. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 12 mars 2012 - 03:43 .


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slyborg

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 I've always thought Manveer was pretty funny but those retweets got him unfollowed. BioWare's idea of closure

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Solduri wrote...

he obviously isn't a real fan of the series or he would understand the outrage


Thats not really fair to say, I personally dislike the ending, but he can enjoy the games just as much as I do and have a different opinion about it.

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Red, to answer that, you complain about the food only if you are not going back for a second helping that they could spit in. Then after complaining about the food you should never eat at that place again until the cook who made the food has fixed his errors and hopefully doesn't remember you.

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Epique Phael767 wrote...

Darth Howie wrote...

But the Great Gatsby had a good ending....

Not the way I read it.


I don't think getting shot in the pool makes a great ending. HOWEVER, it at least makes sense to the moral of the story. ME 3 on the OTHER hand, made NO sense.

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If he wants to be so dismissive, glib, and insulting, he's not worth the time it takes to formulate a decent reply.

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JeffZero wrote...

Militarized wrote...

I'm not used to twitter.. is retweeting like supporting what he says or replying?


Supporting.

And again, everyone. BE CIVIL. You'll make the desire for a less senseless finale look just as silly as some think it is if you come across as raving lunatics about it.


Civility is a must. Emotions are running high, don't let it get the best of you. There are legitimate concerns here, but if we only come across as crazed fans, those legitimate concerns will be moot.

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Augh. People just keep missing the point why people hate the endings. They're lazy. They give no real conclusion or closure. They're unsatisfying. They create plotholes. That's not too hard to understand.

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Yeah, clearly none of us know what we're talking about because the gaming press gave it a 94%! Hell, for those of us who don't usually follow reviews in major publications, that's like... a "C"...

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Am I seriously the only person who sees the blatant sarcasm in the tweet?...

"There is a movement to change the ending of Mass Effect 3. I love it. I support it."

Ok, I support this.

Then he goes on to say....

"I want this for everything. I'm starting a letter writing campaign to have Gatbsy end with a steamy sex scene"

Pretty damn unlikely and sarcastic.

"Max Payne should end with a surprise party and his wife and kid are there. Someone needs to write the petition."

Yeah, he's definitely being a dick about it.

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Someone doesn't know how to read the fan's complaints. I can only laugh at this guy's stupidity. Seriously, that is some of the most ridiculous stuff I have read in awhile. That Penny Arcade employee doesn't even deserve your attention.