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[PixelGorilla]

dmalicious wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

One of the employees, possibly a low rank Dev has tweeted a couple of insults regarding people who don't like the end.

Beyond that, I don't think so.

Source? If true I won't be purchasing Generals 2.

https://twitter.com/...#!/manveerheir 

"
There is a movement to change the ending of Mass Effect 3. I love it. I support it. 

I want this for everything. I'm starting a letter writing campaign to have Gatbsy end with a steamy sex scene. 

Max Payne should end with a surprise party and his wife and kid are there. Someone needs to write the petition. "

Actually, Ben Kuchera tweeted that. The Bioware employee just retweeted it.

People like him don't get why people are upset and just look at things on the surfice. "Herp derp they just want a happy ending, buncha arrogant, entitled kids. lol" is essentially the reaction I'm seeing from most figures in games press. It sucks.

[rorako]

Just to respond to everyone saying "patience, they won't respond right away"....

No. We shouldn't stop posting. If we stop posting/discussing why we disliked the endings in high volume, Bioware will just believe the whole thing is blown over. We want the endings changed, right? For the good of the franchise?

Keep asking the hard questions. Don't let them forget about the endings!

Yeah, I used a cheesy quote from ME3. So sue me.

[MinatheBrat]

I wonder just how many people are unhappy?
I went to my local gamestop the other day- about 3 days post-release and the guys there said that the complaints had started coming in the day before.
They had to refund $$ because of complaints.
That surprised me actually - even though I'm on board with the 5 minutes ruined 5 years train.
But it's one thing to rant on a site- it's another thing to start messing with the money.
Interesting.

[Mitra]

Yeah, they value Us, but I'm not sure who is going to value all their work when they release a new game.
I don't have to guess too much....

[MinatheBrat]

Gowienczyk wrote...

Troubleshooter11 wrote...

Flyprdu wrote...

There are polls here on BSN with sample sizes in the tens of thousands. Statistically speaking, for a population of 1,000,000.. 10,000 is a significantly accurate sample group.

And there's an 80%+ "Terrible ending" sentiment. All because BSN discontents seem like a small group, they're not. I never posted until today. I came here for this reason alone. There are more behind me that are coming. They haven't finished it yet. And when they do, BioWare will have to account and atone for this.

Same here, the unsatisfactory endings have made me come post here for the first time.

I sadly am pessimistic about the chance of Bioware taking action and re-writing the ending.

Personally it would seem silly to change the Mass Effect universe so drastically. Even though Shepard's story ends, they could easily select 1 ending that leaves the existing ME universe as "canon"  and use that for future ME games/novels.

Before saturday, I had not posted on this site in over a year; so I'm in a similar camp, so I understand.

Me too. I've lurked before but never joined in. Guess I didn't hate DA2 bad enough! LOL

Modifié par MinatheBrat, 12 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[Kitten Tactics]

That's because people generally don't understand how statistics work. They say that 25,000 angry means nothing because the other million aren't voting in the poll. That doesn't mean a million people are happy with the ending. 25,000 is a sample size. It IS representative of the general mindset of the fanbase. When they take presidential polling, they often survey LESS THAN 1,000 individuals, yet the polls usually predict the election within a few percentage points. 25,000 is an enormous sample size, and 98% of those fans are dissatisfied.

[Lexagg]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

That's because people generally don't understand how statistics work. They say that 25,000 angry means nothing because the other million aren't voting in the poll. That doesn't mean a million people are happy with the ending. 25,000 is a sample size. It IS representative of the general mindset of the fanbase. When they take presidential polling, they often survey LESS THAN 1,000 individuals, yet the polls usually predict the election within a few percentage points. 25,000 is an enormous sample size, and 98% of those fans are dissatisfied.

To be fair, that poll is kinda silly. I voted at least 6 times on it already.

[Kitten Tactics]

Chalk it up to a margin of error then. Even if it were 80%, that is still way too many.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Expect almost nothing for another week at least. They don't want to acknowledge the problem too early because they will draw attention to it. They don't want it to affect sales in these early weeks.

In fact, the first real reaction we'll get from Walters or Hudson is probably going to feel like another kick in the nuts. Something in the vain of 'It just shows how emotionally invested people are in this series. We were trying to invoke this kind of a response. We are very satisfied with the end product'

It will sting less if you are ready for it.

[Lurch_454]

After all said and done, I at least know where Bioware's loyalty lies now. I can tell you it's not with the people who made them what they are now. I think EA tainted them.

[luzburg]

zenoxis wrote...

Based on the twitters of michael gamble and mac walters they said they are very satisfied with the endings and appear to be genuinely confused as to why people don't like them.

yeah.....

they must have a completly diffrent chain of thoughts.

[thesnake777]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Chalk it up to a margin of error then. Even if it were 80%, that is still way too many.

Thats fine. We dont need a alpha level of .01. its clear we are not the minority with over 20,000 ppl agreeeing on this the smaple voices the populations sentiments.....

[vengerturtle]

Honestly I doubt we're gonna get much. IF they even admit that they MIGHT possibly be bad endings, it will be RIGHT before they announce DLC so they can promise that it somehow "makes up for it" etc to try and get people to buy it. (I don't think it will be ending DLC, FYI - I think it'll be like more weapon packs, take back Omega, etc; I'm uncomfortable with the thought of having to PAY for a decent ending anyway so it might be for the best). They won't want to risk admitting there's even bad fan reaction until they're sure it will have a minimum effect on sales.

Anyone else been lurking comment sections on other sites? Cause I've seen the same thing over and over - people who haven't finished the game and are convinced it's just fanboy whining and people who HAVE finished and thought it was just fanboy whining before and found out that it wasn't. So it's not like it's only BSN people who are unhappy with it - it's spread pretty far. And these are people who have NO interest in commenting here so they wouldn't be voting in polls, but they're still people spreading bad word of mouth.

Whether or it affects Bioware sales-wise now or in the future remains to be seen - between this, DA2 (people STILL bring that up when commenting on Bioware) and whatever Star Wars game people are less than pleased with, it'll be interesting to see how all of this pans out. Sales are what really matter.

Modifié par missnicolec, 12 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[acidic-ph0]

Yeah... I'm in the "never posted before" group. There have been many things I've felt strongly about in video games... but never before have I put so much time and energy into a franchise so epic in scope. So it's about time I let my voice join with the masses in order to hopefully be heard.

Mass Effect was to be a truly unique series of games that actually counted player choice as one of the driving aspects of the game. For a series so complicated and ambitious in scale to come SO close to achieving what no game series has ever done before (that I know of at least) was to me, a monumental moment in gaming history.

Indeed, I thought that if the endings to ME3 were to be similar to ME2 but on a larger scale, which everything in the rest of the game and codex and War Assets map seemed to be pointing to, then it would define a new era in video game history. Promoting the idea that video games could truly be taken seriously as a new form of mature interactive storytelling where choice and consequence actually mattered.

Instead, these abysmal one-size-fits-all endings not only ruined the Mass Effect universe, but destroyed the original ambitions that this game had originally set out to accomplish which, I think, hurts the entire video games industry/community as a whole.

God I hope we get an official response soon...

[Evil_medved]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Expect almost nothing for another week at least. They don't want to acknowledge the problem too early because they will draw attention to it. They don't want it to affect sales in these early weeks.

In fact, the first real reaction we'll get from Walters or Hudson is probably going to feel like another kick in the nuts. Something in the vain of 'It just shows how emotionally invested people are in this series. We were trying to invoke this kind of a response. We are very satisfied with the end product'

It will sting less if you are ready for it.

Yep. They got their money, what they could be upset with?

Next dlc will be weapon pack, then appearance pack,

[BobbyTheI]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

Expect almost nothing for another week at least. They don't want to acknowledge the problem too early because they will draw attention to it. They don't want it to affect sales in these early weeks.

In fact, the first real reaction we'll get from Walters or Hudson is probably going to feel like another kick in the nuts. Something in the vain of 'It just shows how emotionally invested people are in this series. We were trying to invoke this kind of a response. We are very satisfied with the end product'

It will sting less if you are ready for it.

This.  Exactly this.

If you're really, truly serious about getting this fixed, you're going to need two things: a thick skin for all the insults you're going to get from the mainstream gaming press and other sources, and a LOT of patience.  Broken Steel came out six months after Fallout 3's release, and I severely doubt that, if we do get a revised ending DLC, it's going to come any sooner than that.  Probably a lot later, actually.

But this need to keep up.  You can't spend a week complaining about the ending and then give up.  The folks in charge need to see that 1) this isn't going away and 2) there is a high demand for a revised ending, and if it's released as a paid DLC, there's nothing but profit in it for them.

Because bottom line, the only way this changes is if BioWare or EA sees a way to profit from it.  So keep showing a demand for this, and people will pay attention.

[NomadDC]

Before I came here because of endings issue recently, I made not more than a couple of posts here. Too sad that ME3 terrible ending was the reason, that brought me here. I even didn't care that much about DA2. And yeah, Bioware silence becomes more and more insulting with each day. All BW posts here are only about closing topics for diff reasons, and nothing else. As well as almost nothing on twitter.

[Fingertrip]

Don't worry, they're going to call-in all the voice actors, hire WAX to make some CGI , and pour alot of their fundings to please the consumers. And the best part of it all, it'll be done in no time.

Oh wait :|

[leianajade]

We should keep this topic at the forefront of Bioware's attention. If they think they can wait people out and make it go away, they'll do so.

BUT! We should also be patient. It takes years to put together a game like this, and then to see the fans erupt less than a week after release has got to be surprising and heartbreaking for the people who've spent all that time working on it. Which, I suspect, is why you'll see devs tweeting insults. They probably feel like all of their hard work was completely passed over.

Keep talking about this though. Keep it on social media, and be loud about it. It might be a long shot, but I think this series is worth the fuss.

[Bendok]

They have high sales and high meta critic, those matter infinitely more than fan opinion to them. Sorry guys. Chances of an ending change are about the same as you winning the lottery jackpot this week.

People like him don't get why people are upset and just look at things
on the surfice. "Herp derp they just want a happy ending, buncha
arrogant, entitled kids. lol" is essentially the reaction I'm seeing
from most figures in games press. It sucks.

The mainstream press always sides with the publishers/developers. If they don't it hurts them. If they are overly critical of you, how likely will you be to give them an exclusive or something in the future to drive traffic to their site? Non-mainstream is the only place you'll see unbiased coverage.

Modifié par Bendok, 12 mars 2012 - 03:08 .

[ninjaman001]

Reading the twitter post about how people should start petitions to change the endings of other stories like Max Payne or the Great Gatsby has no connection here and is just plain douche-baggery since the endings in those stories MADE SENSE in the context of the story leading up to it. To completely miss the point of why people are mad. Not because the endings were "sad" I could have handled sad endings, I even expected them. But to make an ending that flies in the face of EVERYTHING the rest of the series is based upon, and in the process DESTROYING all possibilities of a new story in the same universe. As well as explaining virtually nothing of what happens to everyone else left behind.

These ending made no sense in terms of the ME universe, and it makes me pretty mad that they can't even seem to understand why they really, really, really messed this up. For the rest of the game to be so awe inspiring and moving in it's writing to be ended with a 10 minute anti-climactic, confusing Deus-ex machina dogmatic BS is disappointing and depressing and i honestly feel cheated for all of the time and money I spent on the games, DLC and replays of them.

Modifié par ninjaman001, 12 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[OriginalTibs]

I rather think there will be market analysis seeking to quantify market demand.

In this scenario there would be several prepared responses. If the outcome of the study indicates sufficient interest, then an MMO will officially enter formal design phase (probably half finished anyway) and DLC will be released leading to an outcome that injects the necessary conditions into canon and into the public consciousness.

Modifié par OriginalTibs, 12 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Xenirax]

Valo_Soren wrote...

The endings are just fine, try to look
at their deeper meanings, try to find a reason to accept them, stop
being a bunch of people who think they are entitled to everything.

Michael Gamble:
"There are many different endings. We
wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three
campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke
ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…"


We only want what Bioware Promised us..
Nothing more, Nothing less..

The Endings were Bespoke and The same Ending..

[iamheartbroken]

New ending: The beam sends you back in time to when the writers are trying to decide on the ending, Commander Shepard tells them how it's really going to end, and we're all a lot happier.

If they've got big plans for ME4, fine... but making me depressed as hell is just cruel. The writers must be sadists. I really don't expect them to say anything that helps, but I wish they would.