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[cledwards]

Plate armor for female characters is horrendous. When they wear it you cannot tell for sure if the character is male or female, it is entirely shapeless. I'm currently trying to figure out how to mod it myself to make it more shape fitting, but if anyone else is willing to give it a try or work on it feel free to post.

[Ambaryerno]

FYI:



You WOULDN'T be able to tell if someone in plate armor is male or female. Plate was designed to deflect blows AWAY from the body. If you molded cleavage into plate armor what you'd end up with is two prominent points which directs the blow INTO the body. This is a BAD thing.

[cledwards]

Not intending to put any cleavage in, this is not a sexual mod that I am thinking of. Just one that will fit the armor to the form of the female body.

[Ambaryerno]

Check out the armor that Elizabeth wears in Elizabeth: The Golden Age. There's really not going to be much--if any--difference in the shape of armor worn by a male vs. a female, especially when you consider that any differences in the contours of the body are going to be masked by a gambeson of 27-30 layers of linen and the coat of mail that was worn underneath the suit of plate, anyway.











Elizabeth's has slightly more flared hips at the bottom, but it also appears to be a single piece rather than articulated as in the lower example, so this is for purposes of mobility rather than to fit her figure (you'll see male armor with the same flared hips).

[cledwards]

I appreciate your concern for realism and thank you for taking the time. I realize that any mod that comes of this won't necessarily be realistic. I will continue to make changes to armor as I gain more knowledge of it. I do very much understand and take into account what you have posted, though.

[A1x2e3l]

Reshaping armor (or creating new one from the scratch) for
DA:O is a real nightmare.

I assume that you have and know how to use such programs
like 3ds Max and drawing programs like PhotoShop (in case you are intending to
create new textures). I am apologizing if you know all that.

Armor is a skinned model: it has bone skeleton structure.
Game engine uses animation data from animation files (I guess ani format) to
animate these bones, bones are deforming a mesh (e.g. armor geometry) using
special mesh feature called in 3D graphics “skin” or vertex bone weights that
are assigned by the model author in 3D modeler e.g. 3ds Max. This works very
similar to a real human body.

Let’s discuss an “easy” case: reshaping existing armor. I am
not going to talk about textures as well.

1. Extract .mmh file of interest from game archives with Adinos’ DATool or Tazpn’s cmd
tools.
2.Convert with “Tazpn's Command Line Tools” .mmh to .FBX format. In my tests only import in 3ds Max
provides reliable skin and skeleton.
3. Make you modifications. Usually I am testing them with original game
animations, we do not have this possibility now. Hence perform tests with
a series of reasonable “extreme” poses.
4. Export in FBX format.
5.Convert FBX to MMH.XML with Tazpn’s fbxcmd.
6. Compile MMH.XML to MMH with GraphicsProcessorMMH.exe from the ToolSet.
7. Use that somehow in the game. I have no idea how to use new mmh files, but
there are reports on the Forum that this is possible.
8. Pray.

We do not have official exporters now and probably will
never receive them. Tazpn’s programs are WIP and official Autodesk FBX format/s
contains several bugs. I would be not surprised if this does not work.

 Such a mess I have never seen in any other moddable
game and game engine. IMHO DA:O cannot be called modder-friendly. From my point
of view it is not worthwhile to spend efforts on such “minor” modifications
like reshaping armor.

Modifié par A1x2e3l, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:04 .

[Dorian Glave]

I wonder how many dragons and ogres Elizabeth fought in that armor...?

[ladydesire]

A1x2e3l: tazpn did a good job creating an import\\export plugin for 3DS Max for the model format used in NWN2, and he did it without having the kind of information he has access to from Bioware to make these tools.I'm impressed that he's gotten the tools we do have done as quickly as he has, and plans to keep improving them so that they handle the formats in use as well as "official" tools would.

[Ambaryerno]

Dorian Glave wrote...

I wonder how many dragons and ogres Elizabeth fought in that armor...?

Is there a point you were trying to make with that?

[A1x2e3l]

Ladydesire, I know Tazpn and his great work even longer before he was interested in NWN2:
Tazpn has created NifTools Max importer/exporter for NetImmerse/Gamebryo based games
(Morrowind, Oblivion, FO3, there are hundreds of them) without any
information/help from developers.

 BTW, I have tried the workflow I have described: nothing
works so far. Troubleshooting could be a long story.

Modifié par A1x2e3l, 28 novembre 2009 - 05:40 .

[ChewyGumball]

It should have created an msh file as well. Stick everything in the core\\override folder and you will be able to use them as models in the editor.

[A1x2e3l]

In override folder I have new: textures (dds), mao, msh, mmh, phy.
Empty space in the game. I have tried to replace some of these files with originals, delete some - only texture works.
BTW, I had to verticaly flip UVs after import in Max.

Modifié par A1x2e3l, 28 novembre 2009 - 07:10 .

[Fishy]

SOmething like this for a chick

http://img02.picoodl...e1m_f729e5e.png



Now that look sexy and Dangerous!

Anyone can post a pic of Morrigan in plate armor so i can laugh?

[KalDurenik]

Look even if elizabeth would run around and fight ogers and dragons she would still not run around in a string bikini plate armor



Anyway... This is a game so not that i care.

[Ambaryerno]

Look even if elizabeth would run around and fight ogers and dragons she would still not run around in a string bikini plate armor

This pretty well sums that up....

[KalDurenik]

Ok point taken... Go for the shiny parts! Go for the shiny parts!

[TheGreenLion]

I'm sure no male archer would hit a woman dressed like that intentionally, clearly the purpose of that armor is to distract them into not shooting at all. Eh, then again maybe they would. Poor girl.

[steelfire_dragon]

ummm was the op asking for armor that was designed for a red sonya clone? or asking for the palte armor to actually look like a female was wearing it instead of the cuirass being flat chested

[elys]

Well what you don't realize on the fantasy female armor, is the uncovered body parts are in fact enchanted by a local ward of protection; the best enchanted armors even having a spell of reflection sending back arrows into the archer's head.

The heavier material parts allow to be enchanted with strong energy, while the uncovered but still magically protected zones allow for body flexibililty.

In a magical world, the best protection is not always the ones you can see.

Modifié par elys, 29 novembre 2009 - 05:36 .

[ashley24]

i really hope so, too



go for the shiny parts! go for the shiny parts!!!

[TheGreenLion]

elys wrote...

Well what you don't realize on the fantasy female armor, is the uncovered body parts are in fact enchanted by a local ward of protection; the best enchanted armors even having a spell of reflection sending back arrows into the archer's head.

The heavier material parts allow to be enchanted with strong energy, while the uncovered but still magically protected zones allow for body flexibililty.

In a magical world, the best protection is not always the ones you can see.

Hmm, I ran into a sorceress the other day in the Wilds and couldn't help but flirt with her.  But....when I tried to do the ol trip-on-a-rock and fall-into-soft-pillowy-breasts trick, half my plan was executed and I was well on my way to soft pillowiness when I was hit by....by..something and I blacked out.

When I woke up my entire face hurt something fierce, like it had been slapped by a mallet!   Who knew that mysterious women wandering alone in the Wilds would have a Rock Armor up and running...sheesh!

[Jedi0309]

C'mon guys, this is a fantasy rpg. Everyone knows that in these games the more skin the armor shows on women, the better protected they are! Seriously, female armor in most fantasy rpg's are in no way functional, and are more or less eye-candy for the male population. Morrigan's robe of Possession shows cleavage, outer side-boob, and some underboob if you angle the camera just right, but has some of the best robe protection for something that covers very little. Suggesting any realism for a video game based off of fantasy lore seems a bit... pointless?

[Ambaryerno]

My problem with it is that a LOT of people take what they see in games like these and think that's how it works in the real world as it gets spread from one pop culture source to another. Just look at how influential D&D has been to get an idea of the damage that "just" a fantasy RPG can do.

[ladydesire]

Ambaryerno wrote...

My problem with it is that a LOT of people take what they see in games like these and think that's how it works in the real world as it gets spread from one pop culture source to another. Just look at how influential D&D has been to get an idea of the damage that "just" a fantasy RPG can do.

Which is why Obsidian, and now Bioware, have used (at least I know
Obsidian did this) the exact same textures for the armors for male and
female.

[philippe willaume]

Does it really matter?

Plate as seen in the game have nothing to do with reality, they would be too cumbersome, full of gaps and they have way too many things you can grab to wrestle.

But on the other hand, there is no way you can go through plate armour with any thing short of a bec de crobin or gun powder/nitrocellulose powered projectile. There is no way a sword two handed or not will go through plate and where you do not have mail you do have plate.

Hence the shaping of 15th blade, and the manuscripts advocating placing of the point of a long sword on the mail and using the cross guard of the sword to brace against the cuirass, you take a massive step forward.



I fence from medieval manuscript with and without armour and I joust with solid wood and steel coronel as well with balsa tip. So I am used to wear full plate, ride fence and wrestle in it.





And if you do not have protections a two handed sword, that is much more nimbler than a single handed will leave you in two parts



At least they have armour that absorb damage and no armour class and to be fair the shape of the armour is really important in damage deflection.

It really good enough as it is.

phil