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[GOODKyle]

floggingmollyfan12 wrote...

I have a serious question that could prove this theory not to be true....

According to this theory, if Shepard went to either of the blue or green endings in his "dream" then he/she would be indoctrinated. BUT! he would still be alive in the real world no matter which ending he/she took (red, green, or blue). so why wouldn't you see the ending where it shows that Shepard is still alive if you took the indoctrination endings but you would if you took the red ending????

It's a good point and you could simply wake back up indoctrinated, but that's just the way the game presented itself. I'm guessing Bioware (if this theory is true) only wants you to get back up if you resisted the Reaper's indoctrination attempt. 

[Duality_333]

Wholeheartedly agree with you OP.

I was thinking this myself and went looking for some others, looks like I'm not the only one piecing it together... Whether it's out of desperation, or because the 'real ending' is there to be found, who knows?

Anyway you touch on a lot of good points. You've missed a few things that I noticed in there too. I'm still gathering all my thoughts on it though so I might post back here or throw up a video response or something. =)

[GOODKyle]

Duality_333 wrote...

Wholeheartedly agree with you OP.

I was thinking this myself and went looking for some others, looks like I'm not the only one piecing it together... Whether it's out of desperation, or because the 'real ending' is there to be found, who knows?

Anyway you touch on a lot of good points. You've missed a few things that I noticed in there too. I'm still gathering all my thoughts on it though so I might post back here or throw up a video response or something. =)

I eagerly await your post/video!

[camirish1]

Well I have been thinking about this, and I think Shepard was becoming increasingly indoctrinated throughout the game. And what represented this? His nightmare.

If anyone read the books, the one thing that Paul Grayson described was hearing voices getting louder and louder. In each nightmare, the voices calling out for Shepard grew increasingly louder and more direct. This would mean that by the end of the game, when he was in the presence of all those Reapers, beginning the final steps of indoctrination would be a breeze. So to speak.

Oh, and the kid was in all of them.

Modifié par camirish1, 15 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[GOODKyle]

camirish1 wrote...

Well I have been thinking about this, and I think Shepard was becoming increasingly indoctrinated throughout the game. And what represented this? His nightmare.

If anyone read the books, the one thing that Paul Grayson described was hearing voices getting louder and louder. In each nightmare, the voices calling out for Shepard grew increasingly louder and more direct. This would mean that by the end of the game, when he was in the presence of all those Reapers, beginning the final steps of indoctrination would be a breeze. So to speak.

Oh, and the kid was in all of them.

As I type this just remember that I am the one who made this vid lol

The only problem with that thinking is apparently that Prothean AI disappears when it detects an indoctrinated prescence. So why didn't it vanish when talking to Shepard? Did it have something to do with how Shepard was affected by the Prothean shard thing or maybe it just didn't sense it? x.x' Don't know.

[Nyx2k]

Everyone was able to clearly see an indoctrinated. But Shepard was walking around them all the time. He understands Prothean, he opposes the Reapers in every given way. Remember he has the strongest mind of all. Its stated throughout the game by several people. A indoctrinated Person sends out specific signals I suppose. Could Shepards signals be weak enough to remain undetected?

[Valk72]

GOODKyle wrote...

camirish1 wrote...

Well I have been thinking about this, and I think Shepard was becoming increasingly indoctrinated throughout the game. And what represented this? His nightmare.

If anyone read the books, the one thing that Paul Grayson described was hearing voices getting louder and louder. In each nightmare, the voices calling out for Shepard grew increasingly louder and more direct. This would mean that by the end of the game, when he was in the presence of all those Reapers, beginning the final steps of indoctrination would be a breeze. So to speak.

Oh, and the kid was in all of them.

As I type this just remember that I am the one who made this vid lol

The only problem with that thinking is apparently that Prothean AI disappears when it detects an indoctrinated prescence. So why didn't it vanish when talking to Shepard? Did it have something to do with how Shepard was affected by the Prothean shard thing or maybe it just didn't sense it? x.x' Don't know.

Well he wasn't indoctrinated at that time, in fact if we follow the indoctrination theory, he is only indoctrinated at the end if you didn't choose the red ending. What we saw before, the nightmare and all the rest are the effect of slow indoctrination attempt. That's not the same thing.

[GOODKyle]

Well he wasn't indoctrinated at that time, in fact if we follow the indoctrination theory, he is only indoctrinated at the end if you didn't choose the red ending. What we saw before, the nightmare and all the rest are the effect of slow indoctrination attempt. That's not the same thing.

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That's eventually the conclusion I came too but what about all the people stating that the kid was never real and tried indoctrinating Shepard at the very beginning of the game? Plus, some have said the dreams are signs of indoctrinations too. 

[Khran1505]

Regardless what anyone thinks, I'm behind this theory 100%. I've been exploring ALL over the internet for ideas and scenarios in ME3 that suggest towards indoctrination and the more I find and the more I think about it, the more it all makes sense.

So for anyone against this theory, I simply ask this. What would you prefer, that BioWare are so incompetant that they gave us this ending and expect us to accept it? Or that BioWare are so insidiously clever that they littered the ending with hints towards indoctrination and the true ending has yet to be revealed?

Regardless whether the theory may be true or not, I'm behind it all the way and I'm waiting to see just what we'll experience in the coming months.

Modifié par Khran1505, 15 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[GOODKyle]

Khran1505 wrote...

Regardless what anyone thinks, I'm behind this theory 100%. I've been exploring ALL over the internet for ideas and scenarios in ME3 that suggest towards indoctrination and the more I find and the more I think about it, the more it all makes sense.

So for anyone against this theory, I simply ask this. What would you prefer, that BioWare are so incompetant that they gave us this ending and expect us to accept it? Or that BioWare are so insidiously clever that they littered the ending with hints towards indoctrination and the true ending has yet to be revealed?

Regardless whether the theory may be true or not, I'm behind it all the way and I'm waiting to see just what we'll experience in the coming months.

Yay for critical thinking!

[ThaDan64]

Did anyone else notice that renegade scars are magically missing once you get hit by that red reaper beam at the end?

[Montana]

Ok, I JUST watched all three endings in my playthrough and then the video the op posted.

And now that you mention it, a indoctrination attempt wouldn't be completely out of the blue.
Especially when you consider the rubble in the "destroy" ending (failed indoctrination).
Meaning that Shep is knocked out by the beam and everything after that is an indotrination attempt, meaning that Shep still has to destroy the reapers (dlc?).

Now that I think of it, it really makes sense (which the normal endings does not, even though they we're really epic).

But that would mean BioWare just pulled off the biggest Trolling in the history of gaming!!1!

I just can't see the franchise continuing if the current endings are true endings, not without a massive retconn (Oh the Relays? Yeah, we figured out how to make new ones), or the future ME games are bunch prequel (then why say: Don't delete your saves), or changing the franchise to the degree that it only lives on in the name.
All these options makes me sad.

Not to mention that they would have to build vastly different versions of the game for the various endings.

The indoctrination theory doesn't really explain the post credit easter egg conversation though:
www.youtube.com/watch

Well, I really don't know how I feel about the endings, I need to digest.
If the endings wouldn't have destroyed the relays, I would have been fine with two of them (destroy and control, Synthesis is just wierd). Even if they we're a bit illogical and retconns Soverigns conversation in ME1 (maybe he didn't know why they we're harvesting organics and made it up:huh:).

[GOODKyle]

@Tony77A

If this theory is right I can see the secret ending being related to the point where the Grandfather never really told the kid anything about the ending. But when he says "One more story", that's when he'll tell him the ending.

[Nyx2k]

Now that you mention it, Bioware said that ME3 will end the Shepard story arc in more than one occasion. How come "gramps" has one more story? Apart from that, he said it was all so long ago, that means some parts of the Story may be different than he told. Could indicate the different choices we make. Then after visiting Sur kesh, I noticed that the planet the normandy crashes on looks exactly like the Salarian homeworld. Same plants, same overgrown mountains.
And to top it all, the Stargazer cutscene shows the exact same moon configuration as the "Crash-Planet".

Ahrgh! How I hate it when Bioware plays with my mind. The story is like a salarian mind, like a maze.

[GOODKyle]

DJ_D wrote...

 

Ahrgh! How I hate it when Bioware plays with my mind. The story is like a salarian mind, like a maze.

o.O Their minds are mazes?

[Platysoma]

According to wrex I believe

[Selgath]

Normally I would say it's just wishful thinking, but the part where shepard breaths in and is obviously on earth, ya I think you might be right

[ThaDan64]

Has anyone read this: http://news.softpedi...ys-255935.shtml

"They’ve thought about [the ending] for years and years. It’s not something they’ve had to solve in a week or a month even, but over the course of five or ten years.”

Also, “Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be.”

Unless there is something we have yet to see, its just not lining up.

Modifié par ThaDan64, 16 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[Nyx2k]

Sounds like damge control to me. Everyone who gets caught tries to talk their way out at first until its proven or they give in. Regardless of what will happen, to me the Endings are still indoctrinations.

Yes, I quoted Wrex there.

[Uezurii]

ThaDan64 wrote...

Has anyone read this: http://news.softpedi...ys-255935.shtml

"They’ve thought about [the ending] for years and years. It’s not something they’ve had to solve in a week or a month even, but over the course of five or ten years.”

Also, “Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be.”

Unless there is something we have yet to see, its just not lining up.

True to a certain point, which is, till you get hit by Harbinger. I call PR bullcrap anyway though. It's from before the game was released, they'll say anything to sell well.

[Baihu1983]

Doesn't shepard need him omi tool to talk to hacket? cause its not in the final scene which could again show its not real?

[GOODKyle]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Doesn't shepard need him omi tool to talk to hacket? cause its not in the final scene which could again show its not real?

O.o You may have a point. 

[GOODKyle]

ThaDan64 wrote...

Has anyone read this: http://news.softpedi...ys-255935.shtml

"They’ve thought about [the ending] for years and years. It’s not something they’ve had to solve in a week or a month even, but over the course of five or ten years.”

Also, “Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be.”

Unless there is something we have yet to see, its just not lining up.

If this indoc theory is true and they've thought about this ending for years and years...I can see how that makes sense. 

[krogstor]

I'm sitting here laughing about this whole ending thing, either BW completely trolled everyone with an indoctrinated ending which might not be an ending if you opted to destroy the reapers.

OR, and hear me out, they made such a ****ty, disappointing ending that they thought was "good enough", and now everybody coming up with all these theories would be a way for them to add onto the story.

Think about it, if you want the people to have the most personal experience with a story, build it up, end it on a horrible note, pay attention to what people wanted to see, and release it as DLC.

Bioware trolled us either way, either the ending was indoctrination, or they're taking hints from us talking about the idea in the first place. +1 bioware, -1 quintillion for the fans.

[Sarah1281]

Since I don't understand why Shepard would possibly think that mutating the entire galaxy or turning herself into a Reaper is a good idea, I believed the indocrination theory before I even heard of it.