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[DirectorStormchaser1]

Look behind you when you get hit by laser beam. 3 trees from Dream Seuence which were not there when running down the hill.

Unlimited ammo and no overheat in firearm.

Illusive Man has firearm appear from thin air. When all firearms are always shown on body or in hand on all NPCs.

Catalyst " I control the Reapers". Harbinger is the one that "Controls the Reapers".

Shepherd's implants Reaper Tech.

And, the camera moves uphill to where Shepherd got hit by a laser and breaths.

After all Mass Effect 1 Eden Prime survivors when the ship landed it emitted some signal that just bore into my head.

Now for the choices. You are all going to learn Psychology 101 about dreams. Dreams are always seen in reverse. So if you have Red being Renegade in dream world or Shepherd being indoctrinated Red would be Paragon. Then Blue being Paragon and in dream world Blue being Renegade. And, the third choice Green, that would be the choice Saren probably chose when being indoctrinated.

The choices are if Shepherd gets indoctrinated or not. Which would end the Shepherd storyline. because this is not a war which could be won overnight, but over 100 years.

Mass Effect 3 ended Shepherd's Legacy. This war there will be many Legends coming out. And, a new Legend for Mass Effect 4. The war has just begun.

[Sublyminal]

Hmm, this video makes so much sense. I mean seriously, the dreams that Shepard has, especially the final one showing Shepard hugging the Reaper starchild. It's clear that Shepard was slowly beginning to be indoctrinated.

He managed to fight through it if you take the red ending. And his breathing scene at the end, shows that he is waking up from the laser attack by Harbinger. The game was rushed and because it was rushed, Bioware has no choice but to do an add-on DLC to give us the real ending.

[GOODKyle]

Adeph wrote...

SouperTrooper wrote...

the indoctrination thing sounds great an all except for the fact that you don't end a sixty dollar game like that and force people to download dlc (and probably pay for it) to get the true ending. I can understand if they want to extend the series due to the fact it's a monry mint. Fine but atleast make it clear to me that more is to come. Right now there might be people who uninstall their games, delete save files or go sell them back (console versions) out of spite. How pissed would they be once they find out they were tricked?

This

The hammering Bioware is taking over this ending issue, if this theory was true then something would have been said to appease the fans. I personally know people who have already traded in their console versions of the game so I can imagine what their reaction will be if Bioware tells them they need to rebuy the game to see the ending.

Plus I'll be mighily f-ed off if they charge me extra to see the ending of a PC game I paid £35 for.

I can kinda see the theory but if it's true this will be the biggest PR own goal in gaming history

Not saying that I'm right about all this and not saying this will happen but the  publisher is EA. They're the ones who started this online pass crap. Who's to say they won't try other money grabbing techniques? Perhaps if I am right the DLC would be free and Bioware was thinning the water so to speak?

[GOODKyle]

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

Look behind you when you get hit by laser beam. 3 trees from Dream Seuence which were not there when running down the hill.

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Seriously?! I didn't even once think to turn around. Do you have proof?

[mokponobi]

we are at the point of grasping at straws now...

I for one would just like bioware to say, sorry, that's all there is folks. I can mourn and move on.

[blah64]

Nefelius wrote...

All this "indoctrination" conspiracy theories are nothing but desperate wishful thinking. I mean come on how the fact that "kid disappeared the second u shoot that thing" proves this is a dream. Come on.

Well beside the fact that you picked the weakest point, you're ignoring the bigger picture. The best piece of evidence is Shep being alive/fairly intact on planet Earth after the Red option. Shep is badass, but he can't survive planetary rentry, without a single piece of the Citadel in sight......

[Militarized]

Video of trees plx?

[IronSabbath88]

blah64 wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

All this "indoctrination" conspiracy theories are nothing but desperate wishful thinking. I mean come on how the fact that "kid disappeared the second u shoot that thing" proves this is a dream. Come on.

Well beside the fact that you picked the weakest point, you're ignoring the bigger picture. The best piece of evidence is Shep being alive/fairly intact on planet Earth after the Red option. Shep is badass, but he can't survive planetary rentry, without a single piece of the Citadel in sight......

That for me is the biggest tell of them all. We all saw what happened last time he got spaced. And that was WITH fully intact armor and helmet.

[txmn1016]

blah64 wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

All this "indoctrination" conspiracy theories are nothing but desperate wishful thinking. I mean come on how the fact that "kid disappeared the second u shoot that thing" proves this is a dream. Come on.

Well beside the fact that you picked the weakest point, you're ignoring the bigger picture. The best piece of evidence is Shep being alive/fairly intact on planet Earth after the Red option. Shep is badass, but he can't survive planetary rentry, without a single piece of the Citadel in sight......

I kind of just assumed that whatever space beam took s/he up to the citadel, also beamed them back down.

[deadpixel92]

Makes a lot of sense to me, i wondered too when i got the scene of Shepard breathing at the end, he definitely wasn't in the citadel, it is very obvious he is on earth, so yeah i really support this, it's possible that Shepard was indoctrinated at that moment, if you notice after getting blow up by harbinger his eyes are bright yellow so maybe he was controlling you, i hope Bioware fix this and completely delete the Normandy in the strange planet part, it doesn't make any sense AT ALL! i also support what Virginia Blend said... its difficult to think that the people who wrote the rest of this game wrote this ending. I love everything but the last 15 mins of this game.

[GOODKyle]

Also check out this link as it shows the trees from the dreamworld on London after Shepard gets hit by the laser: 

 http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg  

Modifié par GOODKyle, 12 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Vallinn]

 I'd also like to add a little tidbit to this theory.

Go into the in-game Codex to the 'Indoctrination' entry. In the second paragraph there's a sentence that goes as follows: "As time passes, they have feelings of 'being watched' and hallucinations of 'ghostly presences'..".

Now go find some videos of the Dream sequences that Shepard undergoes throughout the game and watch them in order ( there's 3 of them ).

In the first sequence, Shepard is just following the boy - nothing special. In the second, while Shepard is trying to reach the child there are black, slightly humanoid 'shadows' that start to appear ( 'Ghostly presences' ). Now to the third, look how many are filling the 'Dream'... They are everywhere.

Coincidence? I think not.

Modifié par Vallinn, 12 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[sgtrock]

If this is true, then i made the wrong choice. Time to go beat the game again!!!!

[Qutayba]

To be honest, I thought he was indoctrinated in my first play through up to the point where he talks to the Illusive Man, then I decided that it was too long for them to have maintained the charade.

If it turns out that the Indoctrination Theory is true, part of me would be relieved, but the wallet-holding part of me would be absolutely furious.

The Last Temptation of Shepard?

[martiancake]

If this is true (and I hope it is, or hell, ANYthing else), then BW should've made it clearer with the Normandy crash--you should've seen it for blue and green, as it's Shepard imagining his/her friends far away and safe in a tropical paradise. If the 'destroy' option is the correct, breaking free from indoctrination option, then the Normandy crash scene should've been missing from that one.

[Sereaph502]

GOODKyle wrote...

Also check out this link as it shows the trees from the dreamworld on London after Shepard gets hit by the laser: 

 http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg  

That picture right there is all the proof you should need to tell one of two thing:

1. The ending is a dream and bioware is going to go "HAHAH, gotcha!  Now here's the REAL ending for $10!" which will make everyone even more pissed off.

2. Lazy programming, that they forgot to consider that somebody might look behind them to see if they can find their squad members.

[Voidster]

I realize that "if" this is the truth, then i owe bioware an apology. However, to me they trolled us. They prob had all of it planned out then decided the true ending would be a DLC, so they chopped it off..and now wait patiently.

I still dont like the way they did it, nor their lack of response on the matter. Bioware used to care, what happened?

ah well just have to wait and see. This does give me some hope though.

[aliengmr1]

I wonder why, when god-kid is presenting the different options, that Anderson and TIM are represented instead of Shep. Just thought that was strange. Sure this may well be wishful thinking but its rather hard to ignore the strangeness of the endings. I am a die hard skeptic but I am finding it hard to rationalize such an absurd ending to an otherwise amazing game. I just can't believe Bioware could end the series in this way. Avoiding plot-holes nearly the whole time then slapping on a "single" ending filled with them, doesn't make sense.

What god-kids reaction proves or disproves is no more absurd than trying to justify that the Normandy going through a mass relay during the largest battle in galactic history makes complete sense. Or that your crew saying nothing about the loss of Shep makes sense after all the "I got your back" and "We stick together to the end" speeches. You might think the indoctrination theory is ridiculous but its no more so than the current ending.


Also, does anyone know what that thing is on top of the crashed Normandy is? It looks like a carved stone. Is that from ME2 DLC? Not saying that it has anything to do with anything but its kind weird looking.

[GOODKyle]

I wouldn't blame Bioware as much as EA if this happens to be true. They started the online pass thing after all.

[Dessalines]

Vallinn wrote...

 I'd also like to add a little tidbit to this theory.

Go into the in-game Codex to the 'Indoctrination' entry. In the second paragraph there's a sentence that goes as follows: "As time passes, they have feelings of 'being watched' and hallucinations of 'ghostly presences'..".

Now go find some videos of the Dream sequences that Shepard undergoes throughout the game and watch them in order ( there's 3 of them ).

In the first sequence, Shepard is just following the boy - nothing special. In the second, while Shepard is trying to reach the child there are black, slightly humanoid 'shadows' that start to appear ( 'Ghostly presences' ). Now to the third, look how many are filling the 'Dream'.

Mind = Blown

I got to check this out. This might be the smoking gun.

[Endersgone]

More evidence supporting this theory... interesting...

*hopes and prays*

[mackan__s]

You are right! , In the beginning, in the intro, the reapers shoots a laser beam onto a building and Shepard pass out, he wakes up dizzy when Anderson will help him up! He is in "coma" and dreams;)



The rubble he layed in the end, is the ruble he layed in the beginning?

Or , after Shepard being hit by the beam in the end.

In one of Shepards dreams you can hear someone say or shout "Grab Ashley and get the hell out of here!" Did they went out in space without Shepard? Maybe its therefore Normandy crashes on that planet, they being hunted by reapers?

naa sigh just wishful, just hated the ending:(

But yeah its still an option

Modifié par mackan__s, 12 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[Dessalines]

Paper Cake wrote...

If this is true (and I hope it is, or hell, ANYthing else), then BW should've made it clearer with the Normandy crash--you should've seen it for blue and green, as it's Shepard imagining his/her friends far away and safe in a tropical paradise. If the 'destroy' option is the correct, breaking free from indoctrination option, then the Normandy crash scene should've been missing from that one.

I am not sure if the other love interest have the speech with Shep, but Liara did with my FemShep. She talked about how it would be nice about being a ship getting lost on a peaceful planet.  I think all of the images are from Shep's mind. You noticed how the control room just look the IM's office. There was even a ramp leading to his office.

[rvgifford]

 It all makes sense and I HOPE this is why the ending "seems" so horrible . . . because it isn't the ending, and because if you chose destroy the reapers, then you survive to play the real ending.

In such a case the ending can still be what was promised. In that case Bioware rightfully said to hold on to your final save. Transparency here, however much it might be a bit of a spoiler of the rest of the ending, would go a long way towards alleviating all the fuss, and placate at least some, if not most, of we the disgruntled fans. As it stands there is no closure, there are only three choices masqerading as endings where what we each did in our playthroughs mattered.

I sincerely hope this is the master plan of Bioware. If so, bravo, my friends. A well written way to have Shep suffering from indoctrination and not realize it, just as the indoctrinated are always convinved they are in control. What an amazing story . . . but it's still not an ending. This + an expansion or DLC ending is the only way this has an actual ending. I repeat as I have in many posts, happy ending optional, good ending mandatory. As it stands now, the ending is a fail, unless it isn't the end? Bah. My head hurts.

Until I hear otherwise, however, this has to be assumed to be the end of the Shep saga. As such it sucks.

Modifié par rvgifford, 12 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[STAG IRONHIDE]

I think you're just grasping for straws because the ending was garbage.

If that was their intended ending, they would've made it clear. Anything past this point is a retcon looking to make DLC money, not clever writing or story telling.