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[TcomJ]

Grandson- "Did that all really happen?"

Grandfather- "Yes, but some of the details have been lost in time."

Grandson- "What details? You were pretty thorough with that story, like all of that planet probing you felt the need to tell me about. Or how Shepard kept punching women for no good reason!"

Grandfather- "I don't know, I'm tired and a little drunk right now."

Grandson- "This ending sucks doesn't it grandpa?"

Grandfather- "Yeah...yeah it does."


From Youtube commentator:

[darkshadow136]

If they were and the video and explanation you gave makes a decent argument for that, being that this was supposed to be the end of the trilogy Bioware should have come forward right away to ease peoples anger over the endings, which they did not. Also if it is a ploy to sell a DLC that agrees with the indoctrination theory that is bad business since we paid for a complete game that should have a true end, not a gimmick to maximize their profits buy offering for sale a DLC to get a real ending that we should to begin with since we already paid our money for it.


if you want your voice heard louder got to my blog which I have a link too in my Sig , click on my ME3 review and click on the links to my polls.

1. would you Boycott Bioware if they don't fix the endings
2. do you believe Multiplayer should have no impact on the single player campaign
3. Facebook Campaign demand better endings for ME3

[Militarized]

I swear I remember at some point.. and I have really nice headphones so I heard it, has a malevolent voice BEHIND the childs voice... it also as a wisp of another image behind him.

Can someone blow up an image of that? I might just do it myself.

*edit* nevermind I looked through it, no image behind him. THere is the voice(s?) though. 

Modifié par Militarized, 12 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[GOODKyle]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nefelius wrote...
All this "indoctrination" conspiracy theories are nothing but desperate wishful thinking. I mean come on how the fact that "kid disappeared the second u shoot that thing" proves this is a dream. Come on.

This.

It's been stated many times that this isn't the ONLY evidence. Just really strong circumstantial evidence. 

[balance5050]

No, its an epic story telling stunt... please be this... please.

seriously though, if it isn't, this is the final straw, never any bioware or EA products again. Just like I'm going to reject my government if they take away my internet.

[TcomJ]

rvgifford wrote...

TcomJ wrote...
Sorry, indoctrination assumption is just a really bad sorry ass wishful thinking. The kid said that Shep wasn't being control and he can control the reapers, synthesis or destroy them. That's the reason why the illusive man will never succeed.

Yes, but if you were indoctrinated, wouldn't an indoctrination induced delusional kid thing tell you exactly that, that you weren't indoctrinated? The whole idea of indoctrination is that you convince yourself you aren't indoctrinated, that whatever you are doing is your own choice, not the one being forced on you by the indoctrination.

The more I think about this way of explaining the current ending the more I believe it to be the case, the more I HAVE to believe it. It's the only explanation that makes any sense. A glimmer of faith in Bioware still flickers in my soul. They have created so many amazing stories, including this one up until the currently perceived crap ending, that I want to believe that this is an elaborate and amazingly written story that hasn't yet ended and the current end is just a giant ruse, a well orchestrated one that shows us what it would be like to be indoctrinated.

Otherwise, that little bit of faith dies, and an era of games that tell amazing interactive stories that evoke deep emotion dies with it. Well, not entirely true as the ending as is evokes pretty deep emotions . . . disdain, distrust . . . and other negative emotions I won't mention.

If he was indoctrinated and choose blue/green to get the mean of their ways.... why destroy the MassRelay?

[STAG IRONHIDE]

r36956 wrote...
Also, as far as I remember this ending with Shepard breathing under the stones is shown to only truly devoted players who gathered maximum of resources (more than 5K). This should mean something I hope.

That was a pretty interesting tidbit about Sherlocke there.

Getting 5k resources is incredibly easy and is nothing compared to all the choices you have to make up to that point that are just thrown out the window.

It was either Shepard being alive, or his last, desperate gasp for air before he died

[GOODKyle]

Militarized wrote...

I swear I remember at some point.. and I have really nice headphones so I heard it, has a malevolent voice BEHIND the childs voice... it also as a wisp of another image behind him.

Can someone blow up an image of that? I might just do it myself.

DO IT!

[Slashout]

The most logical thing I can think of, is what someone else said.
That this is the end of the Shepard story as we were told. But the war isn't over.
The ending of ME3 let's you decide on if Shepard survives or not despite being endoctrined. If you choose the blue or green ending, you choose what the reapers wants you to and you loose. If you go for the red one, you are freed from the indoctrination induced dream and wake up in the rubbles, perhaps on the citadel or most likely on earth after Harbringer's attack. Remember TIM didn't want Shepard dead, and TIM wanted what the reaper wanted.

But the rest of the war is to be seen/fought in ME4 with another hero. Shepard's time is done, another hero must step up and continue the fight. Which is why we don't see far into the futur. Because this will be covered in ME4.

I guess, this makes more sense to me than Bioware changing the endings. Even though I really wouldn't mind if they did change them...

Modifié par Slashout, 12 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[GOODKyle]

TcomJ wrote...


If he was indoctrinated and choose blue/green to get the mean of their ways.... why destroy the MassRelay?

Again it could all be fabrication but if it isn't maybe the reapers don't want societies coexisting anymore. Easier to destroy species? 

[Stealthy Cake]

Mr.Pink wrote...

DirectorStormchaser1 wrote...

Look behind you when you get hit by laser beam. 3 trees from Dream Seuence which were not there when running down the hill.

Unlimited ammo and no overheat in firearm.

Illusive Man has firearm appear from thin air. When all firearms are always shown on body or in hand on all NPCs.

Catalyst " I control the Reapers". Harbinger is the one that "Controls the Reapers".

Shepherd's implants Reaper Tech.

And, the camera moves uphill to where Shepherd got hit by a laser and breaths.

After all Mass Effect 1 Eden Prime survivors when the ship landed it emitted some signal that just bore into my head.

Now for the choices. You are all going to learn Psychology 101 about dreams. Dreams are always seen in reverse. So if you have Red being Renegade in dream world or Shepherd being indoctrinated Red would be Paragon. Then Blue being Paragon and in dream world Blue being Renegade. And, the third choice Green, that would be the choice Saren probably chose when being indoctrinated.

The choices are if Shepherd gets indoctrinated or not. Which would end the Shepherd storyline. because this is not a war which could be won overnight, but over 100 years.

Mass Effect 3 ended Shepherd's Legacy. This war there will be many Legends coming out. And, a new Legend for Mass Effect 4. The war has just begun.

It is never said that Harbinger controls the Reapers. Harbinger is the oldest and largest Reaper, but we know that each Reaper Destroyer or Capital Ship is a sentient machine/organic construct. It's almost like saying "President(insert name here) controls all humans." Each Reaper is a seperate construct, and not controlled by the others. 

^ This. ''We are each a nation, independant, free of all weakness'' - Sovereign

[Aigik]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nefelius wrote...
All this "indoctrination" conspiracy theories are nothing but desperate wishful thinking. I mean come on how the fact that "kid disappeared the second u shoot that thing" proves this is a dream. Come on.

This.

Why did Shepard wake up with a gasp in a pile of concrete and rebar back on Earth?  

[STAG IRONHIDE]

TcomJ wrote...



Grandson- "Did that all really happen?"

Grandfather- "Yes, but some of the details have been lost in time."

Grandson- "What details? You were pretty thorough with that story, like all of that planet probing you felt the need to tell me about. Or how Shepard kept punching women for no good reason!"

Grandfather- "I don't know, I'm tired and a little drunk right now."

Grandson- "This ending sucks doesn't it grandpa?"

Grandfather- "Yeah...yeah it does."

From Youtube commentator:

Kid - Grandpa, can you tell me again about Shepard's first date with Cortez?
Granpa - Sure, sonny! And that's not even the good part!

Aigik wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nefelius wrote...
All
this "indoctrination" conspiracy theories are nothing but desperate
wishful thinking. I mean come on how the fact that "kid disappeared the
second u shoot that thing" proves this is a dream. Come on.

This.

Why did Shepard wake up with a gasp in a pile of concrete and rebar back on Earth?  

Because you have $10 ($15/20?) in your pocket with Bioware's name on it.

Modifié par STAG IRONHIDE, 12 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[CoffeeElemental]

Something to think about.

The beam thingie that reapers use to transport human bodies ... leads straight to control center?

[Sublyminal]

Aigik wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nefelius wrote...
All this "indoctrination" conspiracy theories are nothing but desperate wishful thinking. I mean come on how the fact that "kid disappeared the second u shoot that thing" proves this is a dream. Come on.

This.

Why did Shepard wake up with a gasp in a pile of concrete and rebar back on Earth?  

They wont have the answers they like us are just guessing at this point.

[ChuckNorris18]

The trees do appear before the ending sequence begins:

i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/pwnu08/Tress.png 

Edit: My bad forgot to say that they're at the very right of the screen

Modifié par ChuckNorris18, 12 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[GOODKyle]

Source: http://www.gamefaqs....rds/995487-mass -effect-3/62208604

Text:

my cousins husband works for bioware and i got some info this morning on the ending.
after shep is hit with the red beam he is indoctrinated by harbinger and its a hallucination of how shep thinks it would pan out, thats why anderson is there with you and your crew is magically teleported to the normandy on a planet and they all are safe, you will also see in the endings where shep lives that it shows him in a pile of rubble on earth and then he takes a breath for split second, my cousins husband also told me there will be dlc to continue the story in about a month.

[Aigik]

Sublyminal wrote...

Aigik wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nefelius wrote...
All this "indoctrination" conspiracy theories are nothing but desperate wishful thinking. I mean come on how the fact that "kid disappeared the second u shoot that thing" proves this is a dream. Come on.

This.

Why did Shepard wake up with a gasp in a pile of concrete and rebar back on Earth?  

They wont have the answers they like us are just guessing at this point.

Of course.  I'm just saying, that scene alone debunks the debunkers IMO.

This is the scene I'm talking about if any of you didn't get it in your ending:


http://www.youtube.c...WqlsQjWo#t=271s 

Modifié par Aigik, 12 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[TcomJ]

GOODKyle wrote...

TcomJ wrote...


If he was indoctrinated and choose blue/green to get the mean of their ways.... why destroy the MassRelay?

Again it could all be fabrication but if it isn't maybe the reapers don't want societies coexisting anymore. Easier to destroy species? 

.... You do realize that they wont even have a chance of even ovserving the species, unable to flood into the galaxy and how are they gonna wipe out species for their master plan efficiently without Mass Relay may I ask?

[TcomJ]

W.e the case is, I chose red. I don't believe that red will destroy every synthetic life form to. Just destroying the reaper.

[De1ta G]

This isn't wishful thinking. Shepard being indoctrinated makes more sense than the endings do. They don't feel right or look right. I never believed it was real after I was woken by the stupid kid. The reason people have a hard time believing that the endings aren't the actual endings, is that this isn't usually the way things are done. I believe Bioware has been planning something big.

[balance5050]

Slashout wrote...

The most logical thing I can think of, is what someone else said.
That this is the end of the Shepard story as we were told. But the war isn't over.
The ending of ME3 let's you decide on if Shepard survives or not despite being endoctrined. If you choose the blue or green ending, you choose what the reapers wants you to and you loose. If you go for the red one, you wake up freed from the indoctrination induced dream and wake up in the rubbles.

But the rest of the war is to be seen/fought in ME4 with another hero. Shepard's time is done, another hero must step up and continue the fight. Which is why we don't see far into the futur. Because this will be covered in ME4.

I guess, this makes more sense to me than Bioware changing the endings. Even though I really wouldn't mind if they did change them...

No Shepard is going to finish the fight, atleast with Harbinger. You think the still shots and diologue at the end of Fallout 3 was how they planned it? No, Bethesda games have always been open ended, they had plans for DLC all along and its no different here.

Who's the only character in ME that would lie and put up this charade, the only enemy that calls you by your name: Harbinger

The entire game is about SELF PRESERVATION, the kid is not going to give Shep the choice to destroy him, hes making him choose his own fate. To control is the same thought prcess that is in the reapers head, to synthesize is to comine your flesh with reaper fully.

Everthing after your choice is a cheap placeholder video till DLC. and everything after your choice is what shepard is envisioning.

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mars 2012 - 09:33 .

[GBGriffin]

GOODKyle wrote...

Source: http://www.gamefaqs....rds/995487-mass -effect-3/62208604

Text:

my cousins husband works for bioware and i got some info this morning on the ending.
after shep is hit with the red beam he is indoctrinated by harbinger and its a hallucination of how shep thinks it would pan out, thats why anderson is there with you and your crew is magically teleported to the normandy on a planet and they all are safe, you will also see in the endings where shep lives that it shows him in a pile of rubble on earth and then he takes a breath for split second, my cousins husband also told me there will be dlc to continue the story in about a month.

I have it on good authority that my sister's third ex-boyfriend went to school with the niece of the guy who lives next to the girl who cuts the hair of Mac Walter's neighbor, and he confirms this as well.

(This "inside source" stuff is meaningless and just says "exactly" what we've been saying. Believe an official, unambiguous response from the BioWare devs only imo)

[r36956]

STAG IRONHIDE wrote...
Getting 5k resources is incredibly easy and is nothing compared to all the choices you have to make up to that point that are just thrown out the window.

Well, I made all right hero choices in ME1+ME2+ME3 (all alive and happy, quarians and geth in piece, etc.), made all missions, literally ALL of them and as a result I got 3.5K effective readiness. Then I went multiplayer to get 100%.
So, I'd really love to confirm if everyone could get 5K+ without multiplayer or iOS game.

Anyway, even though it all could be just a wishful thinking I hope it's not just a dealine issue like in KotOR 2 where the end was badly screwed because of deadline. I still remember how nice was "Lair of Shadow Broker" which meant Liara was the right choice for my Shep and I hope we will get something big for ME3 as well.

Modifié par r36956, 12 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

[Dap Brannigan]

At first I thought it was just grasping at straws -- the whole thing about Shepard being indoctrinated and the end sequence actually being a fight in Shepard's mind. But it actually makes a ton of sense.

What sold it for me is the codex entry on indoctrination, as well as the scene where Shepard takes a breath (on EARTH). In that scene you can actually hear what sounds like a Reaper scream.