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if they release any DLC that adds more endings/removes plot holes, I will not pay for it.


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batlin wrote...

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That's nice.

I'll pay for it.


Kidroz wrote...

I would pay for it lol


If people like you guys didn't support practices like this, we may have had decent endings to begin with.


You're implying that they gave us an awful ending with the intention of making a new ending for us to pay for it. I highly doubt that's the case, and if so, it's the riskiest business move in the history of the gaming industry.

What I'd be supporting is the practice of listening to fan feedback and pooling resources to accommodate. If enough fans hate the ending that Bioware gets staff together, pays the VAs and mocap specialists and music coordinators to come back and make one final true set of various endings, then you can bet your ass I'll pay for it. I'd tip them for it.

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staindgrey wrote...

What I'd be supporting is the practice of listening to fan feedback and pooling resources to accommodate. If enough fans hate the ending that Bioware gets staff together, pays the VAs and mocap specialists and music coordinators to come back and make one final true set of various endings, then you can bet your ass I'll pay for it. I'd tip them for it.


Would you support Bioware charging for a bug patch? Why or why not?

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People would seriously play 10-20 dollars for a new ending?


sheesh


Yes, but at least they're honest. The supposed "ME3" boycott didn't work out because people claimed they weren't buying it but did anyway. Same thing happened on this board when "ME2" came out.

People like to talk about what they're going to do.

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So wait , if my food i ordered doesn't end the way i want it too, that means the cook should redo it again ? And i shouldn't have to pay for it ? I WANT TO LIVE I. THAT WORLD. :D

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IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

So wait , if my food i ordered doesn't end the way i want it too, that means the cook should redo it again ? And i shouldn't have to pay for it ? I WANT TO LIVE I. THAT WORLD. :D


As a matter of fact yes, if you're unsatisfied with a meal you CAN send it back to be redone.

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Yea sorry I will pay for it. Even if it answers only a few of my questions I will still buy it. I'm kinda stupid this way but I don't feel as if I can say I beat this until I played game and all the addons that go with it.

Modifié par stbaler, 12 mars 2012 - 05:56 .


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Yea sorry I will pay for it. Even if it answers only a few of my questions I will still buy it. I'm kinda stupid this way but I don't feel as if I can say I beat this until I played game and all the addons that go with it.


Why not just watch it on youtube?

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Btw you fcuking people are ridiculous , tons of games could have ended up with a better ending , but they shouldn't be changed, that's what differentiates a good game from a bad one. I honestly didn't like the ending , but i hope they don't make a separate one for you whiners. Just to spite u.

And if they do i hope they make it a ridiculous amount money.

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batlin wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

What I'd be supporting is the practice of listening to fan feedback and pooling resources to accommodate. If enough fans hate the ending that Bioware gets staff together, pays the VAs and mocap specialists and music coordinators to come back and make one final true set of various endings, then you can bet your ass I'll pay for it. I'd tip them for it.


Would you support Bioware charging for a bug patch? Why or why not?


I would not. Bugs are not a creative choice; they're a mistake. While I would still say the ending is a mistake from a writer's perspective, it is still a creative choice. They put time and money into the ending, coming up with the music and dialogue and stage layout and overall presentation... It's just something we didn't like.

A bug, by comparison, is caused by time constraints or mistakes in QA. It's their choice whether it's worth fixing or not, but we shouldn't pay for it. Altering the creative premise is a much more involved process, and far less likely to happen. I wouldn't expect them to get all that staff together for free. Plus, remember that the guys in charge thought this ending was good, clearly. They aren't just going to listen to us and say, "Oh, yeah, you're right." It'll pain them to even change it, because (unlike a bug) this was their intention.

So, again, I would totally pay for them to man up, accept that the ending is bad, and offer a superior experience. I would damn well pay for it.

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IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

Btw you fcuking people are ridiculous , tons of games could have ended up with a better ending , but they shouldn't be changed, that's what differentiates a good game from a bad one. I honestly didn't like the ending , but i hope they don't make a separate one for you whiners. Just to spite u.

And if they do i hope they make it a ridiculous amount money.


I happen to agree, I'm merely speculating if there IS alternate ending DLC.

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batlin wrote...

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Yea sorry I will pay for it. Even if it answers only a few of my questions I will still buy it. I'm kinda stupid this way but I don't feel as if I can say I beat this until I played game and all the addons that go with it.


Why not just watch it on youtube?


I like to actually be the one controlling what I'm seeing.  YouTube doesn't allow me to do that.  Like I said I'm kinda of stupid that way.

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batlin wrote...

There's no justification to have to pay extra just to have a story that makes sense.

Cool story bro.

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Your loss, bro.

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I would not. Bugs are not a creative choice; they're a mistake. While I would still say the ending is a mistake from a writer's perspective, it is still a creative choice. They put time and money into the ending, coming up with the music and dialogue and stage layout and overall presentation... It's just something we didn't like.

A bug, by comparison, is caused by time constraints or mistakes in QA. It's their choice whether it's worth fixing or not, but we shouldn't pay for it. Altering the creative premise is a much more involved process, and far less likely to happen. I wouldn't expect them to get all that staff together for free. Plus, remember that the guys in charge thought this ending was good, clearly. They aren't just going to listen to us and say, "Oh, yeah, you're right." It'll pain them to even change it, because (unlike a bug) this was their intention.

So, again, I would totally pay for them to man up, accept that the ending is bad, and offer a superior experience. I would damn well pay for it.


Plot holes too are a mistake. What makes a creative bug any different than a software bug? Software bugs too require time and money to fix. I'm seeing only superficial differences between the two.

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I like to actually be the one controlling what I'm seeing.  YouTube doesn't allow me to do that.  Like I said I'm kinda of stupid that way.


I can't argue with that. Supporting such an abusive and exploitive act, however hypothetical, is really stupid.

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I'd pay for it but only because I'm so bad with my money.

Really though, Bioware should not charge for DLC that fixes plotholes and such. I'd expect them to find some loophole so we wouldn't have to. Throw in a little secret in-game that grants the user Bioware points to the next DLC? It's already all connected through Origin so...but thats all I can think of.

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i'll fork the money over.

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Congratulations.

I will pay for it because I refuse to have the series be ruined by the last moments in the game. 5-10 minutes that made me not want to play the whole series? It sounds ridiculous even to me but I'm not motivated to work as hard playing through the series anymore as I did before knowing what awaits me in the end. I feel it's a disservice to the series. I'm glad at least there are some people who are happy with what they got. I simply am too disappointed by those endings that if I have to pay to make it feel right then I will.

:/

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batlin wrote...

IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

So wait , if my food i ordered doesn't end the way i want it too, that means the cook should redo it again ? And i shouldn't have to pay for it ? I WANT TO LIVE I. THAT WORLD. :D


As a matter of fact yes, if you're unsatisfied with a meal you CAN send it back to be redone.


LOL. Yes exactly. 

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Well, "intentionally enrage fans, then ask them to pay for DLC to fix it?" seems like quite a gamble.

Personally, I think that the difference between bugs and "creative bugs" [sic?] is academic - fans are angry, and Bioware needs to address this regardless of extra costs incurred (asking angry fans to pay more money seems. as mentioned above, risky because they might start seeing through the already highly transparently cash-grabbing DLC practises)

Having said that, I still have Bioware points left; if that's enough to pay for the DLC then I'll get it, otherwise I won't (cf sunken cost fallacy)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 12 mars 2012 - 06:14 .


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I'd only pay for it if it came with extra content on at least the level of LotSB. Otherwise, YouTube.

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batlin wrote...

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I would not. Bugs are not a creative choice; they're a mistake. While I would still say the ending is a mistake from a writer's perspective, it is still a creative choice. They put time and money into the ending, coming up with the music and dialogue and stage layout and overall presentation... It's just something we didn't like.

A bug, by comparison, is caused by time constraints or mistakes in QA. It's their choice whether it's worth fixing or not, but we shouldn't pay for it. Altering the creative premise is a much more involved process, and far less likely to happen. I wouldn't expect them to get all that staff together for free. Plus, remember that the guys in charge thought this ending was good, clearly. They aren't just going to listen to us and say, "Oh, yeah, you're right." It'll pain them to even change it, because (unlike a bug) this was their intention.

So, again, I would totally pay for them to man up, accept that the ending is bad, and offer a superior experience. I would damn well pay for it.


Plot holes too are a mistake. What makes a creative bug any different than a software bug? Software bugs too require time and money to fix. I'm seeing only superficial differences between the two.


That's because you're looking at it with a cause already in mind. The time and money needed to bring in VAs alone will be greater than bug testers, and that's not counting the rest of the staff they'd need to bring in. The key is bringing them back from outside sources when they've already moved onto other projects; bug testing would just be in-house with a smaller, already employed staff. Big difference.

The ending itself has plot holes, yes, as does the rest of the game, and the rest of the series. I definitely think you're underestimating the long, involved process it takes to create the story, and how many hands through which different plots are exchanged, and how many minor lines of dialogue slip through the cracks. As the viewer of the product all at once, of course you're going to catch something that someone who's worked on the same thing for years is going to miss, much in the same way that a writer needs a fresh set of eyes to question what already made sense to him when he wrote it.

What we're campaigning for isn't something to fill plot holes. It's a new ending that doesn't completely reshape the laws of canon in the final moments. That, again, was a creative decision; not comparable to a bug in this context.

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I will most def pay if it means I can sleep after that god awful ending. I see your point and feel your pocket pain, but I want to have a great ending.

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batlin wrote...

IPLASTIKMAN wrote...

So wait , if my food i ordered doesn't end the way i want it too, that means the cook should redo it again ? And i shouldn't have to pay for it ? I WANT TO LIVE I. THAT WORLD. :D


As a matter of fact yes, if you're unsatisfied with a meal you CAN send it back to be redone.


While the original comparison is way off, there's still a difference here. Asking a cook to recook something you didn't like doesn't require him pulling in the farmers and ranchers and truck drivers and everyone else just to make the burger. He just grabs his ingredients and whips one up really quickly. One person. All the ingredients available. A $1-10 loss.

The situation is barely even comparable to the size and scope of a fix the like of ME3's ending.

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That's because you're looking at it with a cause already in mind. The time and money needed to bring in VAs alone will be greater than bug testers, and that's not counting the rest of the staff they'd need to bring in. The key is bringing them back from outside sources when they've already moved onto other projects; bug testing would just be in-house with a smaller, already employed staff. Big difference.


Tough s***. Just because it would be too costly for them to rectify a mistake doesn't mean the consumer should reward them for having the mistake in the first place.

The ending itself has plot holes, yes, as does the rest of the game, and the rest of the series.


To the degree the ending creates? No. In fact, unless you're willing to accept that the ultimate lifeform is a complete idiot, absolutely nothing about the ending makes any sense whatsoever.

Modifié par batlin, 12 mars 2012 - 06:24 .