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[Citizen Q]

[quote]Blacksnyder wrote...

Lol, because the destroy ending doesn't do anything. The cycle continue, all you do is delay the inevitable. At least the synth ending gives some hope for the future.[/quote]

No, see below for reasons.

[quote]Citizen Q wrote...

[quote]OMTING52601 wrote...

[quote]Citizen Q wrote...

[quote]Legendaryred wrote...

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[/quote]

You have a point, but (if you have the
DLC) you'll have a conversation with Javik where he clearly states that
this cycle repeats in the same way every time - BEFORE the Reapers show
up. Meaning that regardless of the Reapers, organic life creates
synthetic life, synthetic life revolts against their creators, all heck
breaks loose, then the Reapers show up to pour salt in the wound, LOL!

He's
very clear about this, Javik that is. Just as he clearly does not agree
with Shep attempting to do anything beyond the total annihilation of
all synthetic life. Javik's really not a fan of EDI or the Geth, LOL!

[/quote]

Yea, my Shepard managed to broker a peace between the Geth and the Quarians.

The only recorded conflicts in his cycle between synthetics and organics
were between the Geth and the Quarians (started by the organics), and
the Geth and The Citadel Races (started by the Reapers corrupting the
Geth).

Hmmmmmm.....

You'll forgive my Shep for not jumping to the same conclusions.

[/quote]

Also, the synthesis ending IS a violation of every single being in the galaxy's right to self-determinate.

The true geth were absolutly opposed to this, it was the reason they didn't join Nazara, which is why it makes no sense to take this ending as a means to save them.

Modifié par Citizen Q, 12 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[KingNothing125]

The cycle doesn't continue... the Reapers are dead, how can the cycle continue?

So what if more AI get created? They can be reasoned with... We got the Geth and the Quarians to stop fighting, without Starchild's help. It is faulty logic to assume that AI will always try to kill organics. Hell, it was the Quarians who started that war.

[Citizen Q]

KingNothing125 wrote...

The cycle doesn't continue... the Reapers are dead, how can the cycle continue?

So what if more AI get created? They can be reasoned with... We got the Geth and the Quarians to stop fighting, without Starchild's help. It is faulty logic to assume that AI will always try to kill organics. Hell, it was the Quarians who started that war.

Talking about the Synthetics destorying Organics cycle. Which is disproved by the current state of the galaxy.

[Blacksnyder]

Flyprdu wrote...

All I could think about was my LI, Tali. We'd brokered the peace, and the Quarians were being helped by the Geth in ways that would put things right in years, not centuries. The fact that Legion sacrificed himself to give the Geth sentience.. I just couldn't do it.

I took the plunge.

Yeah, and it sucks that if you speak to EDI before the final push, and she tells you that she finally feels alive. I coudn't do it. Plus like I said, in my other post, destroy doesn't end the cycle, so it feels like a waste.

[tommythetomcat]

I picked Red and I was full paragon. I'm sorry but you don't get to destroy all life in the galaxy and get a pass when push comes to shove. EDI and the Geth are acceptable losses.

[Dark Wyn]

The Final Warrior wrote...

I didn't sacrifice Wrex, Grunt, Eve, and the entire krogan species just to negate the vague chance that they might do a Krogan Rebellions 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I'm not going to sacrifice EDI, the geth, and Legion's legacy just to negate the vague chance that the Reapers might come back and chance a second Reapening.

And if the Reapers do come back, at least this time we'll be prepared.

(I went with the Synthesis ending my first time around and I hated it. Forced evolution of all life? No one gets a say? What the hell.)

-- Griffinhart

I try to look at it from the standpoint that even Edi and the Geth would want Shepard to do what ensures the Reapers are gone forever.  Regardless of the outcome. 
If the indoctrination theory proves true it would also explain the special scene of Shepard's breath when picking red.  The Reapers were testing Shepard's conviction to the cause.

[suusuuu]

EDI being scared was heartbreaking. I cried when I tried out the Destroy ending to see if I get the shepard alive thingy after the credits, even though I didn't do this on the first try. Just trying it out felt bad. Went back to assuming direct control.

Modifié par suusuuu, 12 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[mcsupersport]

Blacksnyder wrote...

Lol, because the destroy ending doesn't do anything. The cycle continue, all you do is delay the inevitable. At least the synth ending gives some hope for the future.

Cycle is broken already....Geth are friendly not hostile, this by itself disproves the stupid RGC assumption that AI will ALWAYS kill it's creators.  Stupid assuption based on really stupid logic.  

Kill the dang Reapers and tell the RGC to go F himself and leave the Geth alone.

Sadly in Control you become what you have been fighting.
In Synthesis, you have to believe in Space Magic to swallow it.

Modifié par mcsupersport, 12 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[suusuuu]

Yes but you control them... you can make them do whatever you want. For example, help rebuild colonies and Mass Relays.

[Nobrandminda]

Citizen Q wrote...

Nobrandminda wrote...

I would rather let Shepard die than kill EDI and the Geth.

I went with the Synthesis ending because it is somewhat easier to believe that all of the problems that are brought up by the ending (like everyone being trapped in Sol) will just sort of work themselves out now that they are made of magic.

So you went with violating every being in the galaxy's right to self-determinate?

Isn't that exactly what Legion said the true Geth were against, and why the didn't join Nazara?

The alternatives are genocide and postponing the reaper invasion.  In any case the galactic fleet is still stuck in the Sol system one way or another, so I don't think they'll begrudge me giving them cybernetic bits if it means they can get home.

I didn't say Synthesis was a good option, only that it was the best option.

[fropas]

suusuuu wrote...

Yes but you control them... you can make them do whatever you want. For example, help rebuild colonies and Mass Relays.

Plus you can romance the Destiny Ascension. . .Time to assume direct control--robo-style. Life as a reaper can't be that bad .

[Ranicus56]

I was like "All these endings suck, might as well kill the reapers." RED

Modifié par Ranicus56, 12 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[mcsupersport]

suusuuu wrote...

Yes but you control them... you can make them do whatever you want. For example, help rebuild colonies and Mass Relays.

You assume the RGC was telling the truth.
You assume the RGC didn't fail to mention it wears off.
You assume the Reapers technology will not slowly indoctrinate you to believe what they want.....

[Citizen Q]

Nobrandminda wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Nobrandminda wrote...

I would rather let Shepard die than kill EDI and the Geth.

I went with the Synthesis ending because it is somewhat easier to believe that all of the problems that are brought up by the ending (like everyone being trapped in Sol) will just sort of work themselves out now that they are made of magic.

So you went with violating every being in the galaxy's right to self-determinate?

Isn't that exactly what Legion said the true Geth were against, and why the didn't join Nazara?

The alternatives are genocide and postponing the reaper invasion.  In any case the galactic fleet is still stuck in the Sol system one way or another, so I don't think they'll begrudge me giving them cybernetic bits if it means they can get home.

I didn't say Synthesis was a good option, only that it was the best option.

No, the genocide you are causing is the genocide of the Geth, the one species in the galaxy you KNOW is against not being able to self-determinate. So instead of letting them die, you violate both their and EVERY OTHER BEING ALIVE'S right to self determinate, yeaaaaaa how 'bout no.

[fropas]

mcsupersport wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

Yes but you control them... you can make them do whatever you want. For example, help rebuild colonies and Mass Relays.

You assume the RGC was telling the truth.
You assume the RGC didn't fail to mention it wears off.
You assume the Reapers technology will not slowly indoctrinate you to believe what they want.....

You can just fly them into the sun or something though.

[Citizen Q]

suusuuu wrote...

Yes but you control them... you can make them do whatever you want. For example, help rebuild colonies and Mass Relays.

Why would you believe anything that genocidal little mongrel had to say, HE IS BEHIND THE REAPERS AND THE CYCLE!

This is the main reason the endings suck so hard, Shep's just like, "Oh well, fvck it, I'm not even going to argue with reaper godkid, time to push the give up button, destroy galactic civilization, and get myself killed."

Modifié par Citizen Q, 12 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[Afroman12]

Pretty colors or a good shot of EDI and Joker holding hands?

[avmf8]

Evil_medved wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Alistair4Ever wrote...

1) Take control of reapers
2) Make them carve "I love you Tali" In to the moon with Lasers
3) Fly them all into the sun

1) Take control of the Reapers.

2) Go find the freaking Normandy. Someone has to know what relay it was traveling through, and relays have finite destinations. (since the space between relays is by necessity empty, there's only one place to go if it was a primary relay (since we know they landed on a planet, and Shep would probably have the Reapers fly the same paths the Normandy could've taken just in case they ended up in interstellar space), perhaps a few thousand (a few Reapers to check each system)  if it was a secondary relay)

3) Become the benevolent friendly neighborhood god AI, rebuild the mass relays.

4) Pass the time by taking Avina's job, respond with "WE MUST DEPART" in a booming reaper voice when someone asks an awkward question.

4) Have scientists find a way to build an avatar for you that isn't a freakish mass of reanimated cybernetics.

5) call your LI...

6) ???

7) Profit!!!

Yep. Also no problem in "bulilding avatar" since Reaper tech was used to build EDIs new body, as Reaper you can build even more advanced "mobile platform" which will be retty much indentical to your old body.

And with it, you can ride around galaxy on Harbinger back,  while wearing cowboy hat.

Having sheppard ride harbinger with a cowboy hat would have made more sense than theendings we all got.

[NikkuDatenshi]

http://social.biowar...07147/1#9807342

Go here and post up so Staff can see, in that topic is another link that can fix the ending!

[goofyomnivore]

Why didn't the catalyst just kill the Illusive Man after it had obtained the Citadel. Close the arms shut off the mass effect field keeping oxygen in, and sit in your fortress and win a war of attrition that you have done for eons.

As far as I'm concerned the ending is Harbinger kills Shepard on Earth. Reapers win. Because there is no reason at all the catalyst should of let Shepard be in that position.

Modifié par strive, 12 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[Citizen Q]

strive wrote...

Why didn't the catalyst just kill the Illusive Man after it had obtained the Citadel. Close the arms shut off the mass effect field keeping oxygen in, and sit in your fortress and win a war of attrition that you have done for eons.

As far as I'm concerned the ending is Harbinger kills Shepard on Earth. Reapers win. Because there is no reason at all the catalyst should of let Shepard be in that position.

Because the endings don't make any sense.

[Sanguine]

i chose control because i figured Shep was strong willed enough to keep a leash on them, but they could be needed at some point, considering their 'purpose'. plus, I spent all that time working with the geth and EDI it didnt seem right to just kill them.

And also I had thought my LI was dead, and didnt figure there was much to live for, till he showed up on the Normandy.

[Kloborgg711]

Ranicus56 wrote...

I was like "All these endings suck, might as well kill the reapers." RED

Sadly, this was literally what I decided.
I also wanted whatever chance I could to survive (even though I was Paragon). I didn't actually remember which path did what, but jumping into giant laser, or grasping on to 10,000,000,000,000 pylon didn't seem as safe as shooting a glass window. 

Otherwise, it was just
"Wait, wtf did he just say? None of those sound remotely appealing. Is this the only way? Wait, what path? It's not a dialogue option? I don't even remember what my choices are, could he repeat? Screw it, I came to kill Reapers, I'm going to kill Reapers"

[LotharanAeron]

There are major flaws with all three choices. Flaws with the destruction choice are obvious and have been discussed. With synthesis, besides forcing this upon all life, how are we to know that is actually what is going to happen? We are completely trusting the Catalyst-child's word on it. And just because he says it is the pinnacle of evolution doesn't mean the galaxy still won't get screwed up. In all likeliness the new hybrid life will create technology that may end up destroying them too. The kid says it'll be eternal happiness and sunshine and we have nothing to go on but his word.

Finally, with the control option, we are again completely trusting his word with no backing. He assures us Shepard will be able to control the Reapers, but we don't know for how long, to what extent or if this process will somehow change Shepard. If one chooses that ending we don't see what he does with the Reapers besides quitting the fight to know if that solution will actually be beneficial.

The only choice we know will work is the destruction option, assuming shooting a random pipe really will somehow change the entire system to make it blow synthetics up (why shooting a pipe?). With no proof of the long-term results we're solely flying on what the kid says, which, no sane person I know would ever go by in that kind of situation.

[Ranicus56]

strive wrote...

Why didn't the catalyst just kill the Illusive Man after it had obtained the Citadel. Close the arms shut off the mass effect field keeping oxygen in, and sit in your fortress and win a war of attrition that you have done for eons.

As far as I'm concerned the ending is Harbinger kills Shepard on Earth. Reapers win. Because there is no reason at all the catalyst should of let Shepard be in that position.

Mine is Shepard died with Anderson, only after activating the crucible. Ghost thing was never there and Reapers die.