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[Citizen Q]

Like I said, all the endings boil down to:

trust the genocidal reaper godchild => grab the give up bars / dive into the give up beam / shoot the give up cylinder => end galactic civilization => get yourself killed or at the very least be permenantly seperated from those you care about.

How is this a fitting end to the greatest trilogy of games ever, again?

Modifié par Citizen Q, 12 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[KelbornX]

If you pick Destroy, all of this can (and probably will) happen again. Maybe in a couple hundred thousand year, but eventually. So you've really accomplished nothing for the long term.

With Control, you're just being a fool like the Illusive Man. No good can come from all that power.

Synthesis finishes it once and for all. There is no more organic life, and no more synthetic life. They are now all hybrid. So there can never be one exterminating the other ever again. (Also Joker can now truly hook up with EDI)

[MerchantGOL]

Also the citadel is intact in the control ending, giving the people of the fleets some where to stay till the best and brightest can get them back home

[Citizen Q]

KelbornX wrote...

If you pick Destroy, all of this can (and probably will) happen again. Maybe in a couple hundred thousand year, but eventually. So you've really accomplished nothing for the long term.

With Control, you're just being a fool like the Illusive Man. No good can come from all that power.

Synthesis finishes it once and for all. There is no more organic life, and no more synthetic life. They are now all hybrid. So there can never be one exterminating the other ever again. (Also Joker can now truly hook up with EDI)

Again, you are trusting a genocidal little Diablous Ex Machina for your information on this "pattern" since no evidence of it can be observed in the current galactic cycle. If fact, the exact opposite has very likely already happened with the Geth and Quarians reconciling.

AND, at the same time, even if everything he tells you is true (which would be illogical since it is observably, empirically, false), EVEN IF, you are still violating every being in the galaxy's right to self-determinate.

Yea.... great job hero...
 

Modifié par Citizen Q, 12 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[fropas]

KelbornX wrote...

If you pick Destroy, all of this can (and probably will) happen again. Maybe in a couple hundred thousand year, but eventually. So you've really accomplished nothing for the long term.

With Control, you're just being a fool like the Illusive Man. No good can come from all that power.

Synthesis finishes it once and for all. There is no more organic life, and no more synthetic life. They are now all hybrid. So there can never be one exterminating the other ever again. (Also Joker can now truly hook up with EDI)

They addressed this in the end TIM was indoctrinated Shepard is not--that's why he got to ride the magic space elevator after TIM dies. But yeah you can either trust the RGC or not. Either way the reapers are gone.

Modifié par fropas, 12 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[VinWizzy]

It took me about 20 minutes to make a decision but decided to destroy all synthetic life which I think was the most craziest ending that there could be. All theses days I heard how horrible the endings were but I didn't believe it. Now I see why people are mad. I'm 50% percent satisfied and 50% unsatisfied. I'm sorry BioWare, this was an amazing thing and all the other moments help me forget about the ending but I wonder was there any point to... well, now I don't know how to say this. Also, I just beat the game and I'm watching the credits now. I still don't feel that sense of closure though...

[LotharanAeron]

KelbornX wrote...

If you pick Destroy, all of this can (and probably will) happen again. Maybe in a couple hundred thousand year, but eventually. So you've really accomplished nothing for the long term.

With Control, you're just being a fool like the Illusive Man. No good can come from all that power.

Synthesis finishes it once and for all. There is no more organic life, and no more synthetic life. They are now all hybrid. So there can never be one exterminating the other ever again. (Also Joker can now truly hook up with EDI)

Nobody knows if it will truly happen again, the kid says it will, but he could be wrong.  It has not happened in our cycle.  The Quarians attacked the Geth as soon as the Geth gained consciousness, there was no rebellion.  Many Geth defended themselves but they were never given the chance to actually rebel.  When the war was over they then served as caretaker of Rannoch.  The only AI encountered that was ever a threat was that gambling machine AI and possibly the hybrid in the Overlord project.  The Overlord AI was going nuts because it was a freak experiment that went horribly awry with the organic and synthetic halves of the consciousness freaking the other half out.

As for Synthesis fixing the problem for good....how do we know that?  The kid says that, and that's it.  We don't even know if the beam does what he says it will.  At least in Human Revolution we had come to trust the Media AI Girl (forget her name) through our encounters with her and the people around her.  We also immediately saw the results of her broadcast to confirm she did as she said she would.  We have none of that present in ME3.  To assume that there will be no more conflicts now that everything is hybrid, that never again will technology rise up against its creators is ridiculous.  Hybrid or not, they will still need a shovel (which will be a hybrid shovel of some sort...).  Most likely it'll be the same conflicts but based on different parameters.  The essense of life has not change, only the microscopic blocks that build it.  To assume Synthesis creates peace is to assume that Joker is no longer Joker, that he now THINKS and ACTS differently than he did before.  Same goes for everything else.  How is that not disturbing and haunting?

[Wattoes]

I stopped caring once creepy child started explaining everything. I burst out laughing when I heard the green beam, and chose that the first time because I just had to see how stupid it was.

Then I saw the rest of the letdown ending.
Then I saw that all the endings are basically the same.
Then I blew that s*** up like I was planning to begin with.
Then I took the game out of my xbox, where it will never return.

Modifié par Wattoes, 12 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[balance5050]

Vaktathi wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

The Reapers are trying to win your over and gty you to spare them when they've harvested entire worlds and expect you to die to let them live? Was there really any choice?

Because you don't want the Geth and EDI to die? Because the Reapers can be put to a useful purpose? Because you want to ensure any possible war between Synthetics and Organics is prevented?


That said, all the endings pretty much suck. 

I think what catalyst says is irrelevant, it's what you DO that matters, otherwise it just would have been a dilogue choice.
If you have faith and destroy them, and wake up back on earth, potentially you can still save everyone, once you buy the dlc that will come out in early april.

[VinWizzy]

Wow... I wonder what exactly will we need to keep our saves for. I'm utterly speechless...

[KelbornX]

Citizen Q wrote...

Again, you are trusting a genocidal little Diablous Ex Machina for your information on this "pattern" since no evidence of it can be observed in the current galactic cycle. If fact, the exact opposite has very likely already happened with the Geth and Quarians reconciling.
 

Umm.  The pattern is first observerd by the Protheans...  which the current cycle finds out about...  and then hey look, Reapers.  So yeah, the pattern is observed in the current cycle (which is kind of why it's called "the current cycle").  Did you even pay attention while playing the games?

The Geth/Quarian peace only happens in certain circumstances, and those are non-canon choices.  Since I didn't play ME2 on PC, my ME3 character had all the canon settings so it was either Quarians kill Geth or Geth kill Quarians.  

And like I said, it probably won't happen anytime soon...  but it's open for possiblity at any point.  Destroy is a short term gain, long term risk. 

I'd love to find out what the canon story for this would be.  Prob gonna do the auto-dialogue on my Soldier playthrough just to find out.  

[MerchantGOL]

"With Control, you're just being a fool like the Illusive Man. No good can come from all that power."

shepard isn't as dumb as T.I.M and even a renegade will know when to stop

[Bowie Hawkins]

mcsupersport wrote...

You assume the RGC was telling the truth.
You assume the RGC didn't fail to mention it wears off.
You assume the Reapers technology will not slowly indoctrinate you to believe what they want.....

Exactly! "The Illusive Man thought he could control us, but we were controlling him first. But you could TOTALLY control us, if you wanted to... And could I interest you in buying some swampland on Tuchanka?"

Festering pile of nonsense ending, that one.

[ticklefist]

I picked green because it gave the universe peace, ended the cycle (**** me for going along with it), I like EDI too much, and don't equate it to "becoming a reaper."

[SilencedScream]

Because obviously green's a better color than red.
Duh.

[d-boy15]

I choose the destroy ending, it because i think Shepard have no right to play god and decide the
fate of everyone. Destroy it, Geth and EDI may be need to sacrifice but it the price to pay for the
future without the fear for Reaper. The future where everyone can restart again and hope that they
not repeat the same mistake. Also, this is the way Anderson choose and I gonna finish this for him.

BTW, green is best option but I think I make no-sense at all.

Modifié par d-boy15, 12 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[bloodstalker1973]

Destroy was the only option for me. Controlling the Reapers sounds very nice and all, but that's pretty much what TIM wanted to do. Sythesis was pretty much the middle ground route Saren was taking, plus it was basically the same in theory to what the reapers were doing anyway. So destroy was the only option for me that hadn't already been tried to some extent by an indoctrinated guy I'd already shot.

Besides, with the control ending you wind up relying on your humanity to be the guiding force in controlling the Reapers. the Catalyst told you the Reapers would listen to you, but he also qualified that somewhat by offering the choice with the words "if you think you can control us", and it also told you you would be absorbed. To me, that meant wondering if, once I was no longer human, if I would even care. After all, the Reapers are all built out of organic life to some extent. I'm pretty sure that most of that life was firmly against dying and would have been just as hellbent as Shepard was on resisting the Reapers right up until they became one. To me, everything but Destroy felt like a trap, and was a little too much like bait to lead me down the same path as Saren and TIM.

[goofyomnivore]

Synthesis is just weird. Do Cannibals, Harvesters, etc become beings now? Synthesis reminded me of what Javik said about a race in his cycle. Organics melded with machines and it worked for sometime until the AI in them weeded out the imperfections of the organic half, and they just became AI.

[Citizen Q]

KelbornX wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Again, you are trusting a genocidal little Diablous Ex Machina for your information on this "pattern" since no evidence of it can be observed in the current galactic cycle. If fact, the exact opposite has very likely already happened with the Geth and Quarians reconciling.
 

Umm.  The pattern is first observerd by the Protheans...  which the current cycle finds out about...  and then hey look, Reapers.  So yeah, the pattern is observed in the current cycle (which is kind of why it's called "the current cycle").  Did you even pay attention while playing the games?

The Geth/Quarian peace only happens in certain circumstances, and those are non-canon choices.  Since I didn't play ME2 on PC, my ME3 character had all the canon settings so it was either Quarians kill Geth or Geth kill Quarians.  

And like I said, it probably won't happen anytime soon...  but it's open for possiblity at any point.  Destroy is a short term gain, long term risk. 

I'd love to find out what the canon story for this would be.  Prob gonna do the auto-dialogue on my Soldier playthrough just to find out.  

The pattern is synthetics rising up and killing organics, yes?

How is this observable in the CURRENT cycle?

The True Geth fought a war against the Quarians, Yes?

The Quarians started this war by trying to commit genocide against the Geth when they attained sentience.

The ONLY OTHER RECORDED CONFLICT between synthetics and organics in this cycle is with the heretic Geth, who were corrupted BY THE REAPERS, the same Reapers this godchild claims to control in an effort to stop synthetics from killing organics.

In my playthrough the Geth are now HELPING synthetics fight the Reapers, whom the godchild says are supposed to be trying to protect us from the synthetics. A direct contradiction to his logic.

Where was your evidence of this pattern again?

Modifié par Citizen Q, 12 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[ticklefist]

balance5050 wrote...

I think what catalyst says is irrelevant, it's what you DO that matters, otherwise it just would have been a dilogue choice.
If you have faith and destroy them, and wake up back on earth, potentially you can still save everyone, once you buy the dlc that will come out in early april.

I thought about this. I think the reason it's not a dialog choice is for the sake of convenience. Some people played the whole game having every decision made for them. The one time they have to decide, they just walk, cause words are hard.

[goofyomnivore]

Heretic Geth chose on their own to serve the Reapers as did the Orthodox Geth in Mass Effect 3.

[FreshRevenge]

I thought the game was amazing up until the last 10 minutes of it. I thought introducing the Godlike child or ghost was out of the games character. Everything was making sense and then they put nonsense at the very ending to make it seem that it made perfect sense?

My first play through I destroyed the reapers but I was left dissatisfied due to the fact is that during the duration of the game I was uniting all the races even the Geth to bring some peace and unity and it all wash away. LIke nothing I did really even matter?

I mean when I was playing ME2 right before ME3, everything I did had purpose, I ended up destroying the collectors in such a Epic conclusion of the game. The ending in Mass Effect 3 didn't feel Epic. Well up to the point where Anderson and Shepard were sitting down in the Citadel together felt Epic but once you met the Ghost like child the Epicness just vanish.

I am so sorry BioWare that I feel this way but I do. I really hope there is an explanation or maybe plans to make more choices for the ending because as Epic as the game is, the ending really dampers my mood to run another playthrough. At the moment I am replaying ME2 to get that Epic feeling again.

I mean ME3 made me cry when Mordin and Thane died and it was heartbreaking but it was uplifting to see the races unite together! If I had to give Mass Effect 3 a score, I will give it a 8, if it had a better ending a Solid 20!

Modifié par FreshRevenge, 12 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Ranicus56]

strive wrote...

Synthesis is just weird. Do Cannibals, Harvesters, etc become beings now? Synthesis reminded me of what Javik said about a race in his cycle. Organics melded with machines and it worked for sometime until the AI in them weeded out the imperfections of the organic half, and they just became AI.

Good point.

[Rebsten]

I LIEK RED SO I PICKD RED CUZ DAR WAS NO DIFF LOL!

[VerdantSF]

suusuuu wrote...

/renegade
pick blue TERRORIZE THE GALAXY

and no one NO ONE came up with the idea that control allows shepard to do WHATEVER with the reapers? like... helping rebuild worlds and such? how sad.

It would've been nice if Blue Control also included a Paragon interrupt where Shepard takes control of the Reapers... and flies them all into the ****ing Sun.

Modifié par VerdantSF, 12 mars 2012 - 07:18 .