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[Citizen Q]

FreshRevenge wrote...

I thought the game was amazing up until the last 10 minutes of it. I thought introducing the Godlike child or ghost was out of the games character. Everything was making sense and then they put nonsense at the very ending to make it seem that it made perfect sense?

My first play through I destroyed the reapers but I was left dissatisfied due to the fact is that during the duration of the game I was uniting all the races even the Geth to bring some peace and unity and it all wash away. LIke nothing I did really even matter?

I mean when I was playing ME2 right before ME3, everything I did had purpose, I ended up destroying the collectors in such a Epic conclusion of the game. The ending didn't feel Epic. Well up to the point where Anderson and Shepard were sitting down in the Citadel together felt Epic but once you met the Ghost like child the Epicness just vanish.

I am so sorry BioWare that I feel this way but I do. I really hope there is an explanation or maybe plans to make more choices for the ending because as Epic as the game is, the ending really dampers my mood to run another playthrough. At the moment I am replaying ME2 to get that Epic feeling again.

I mean ME3 made me cry when Mordin and Thane died and it was heartbreaking but it was uplifting to see the races unite together! If I had to give Mass Effect a score I will give it a 8, if it had a better ending a Solid 20!

Destroy is the best possible option in the current endings, but as they are now, the endings destroyed any enjoyment I got out of not only this game, but the entire trilogy.

[LotharanAeron]

strive wrote...

Heretic Geth chose on their own to serve the Reapers as did the Orthodox Geth in Mass Effect 3.

The Heretics basically followed the same logic as The Illusive Man.  They were willing to work with anyone in order to further their own species.  The regular geth only gave in to the Reapers when they were attacked (again) by the Quarians and were trying to save themselves from extinction. 

Did the Heretics want to dominate all life?  Maybe.  Keep in mind, though it is far from concrete, when doing Legion's loyalty mission he remarks how much they have changed since the two Geth factions split.  When the Heretics left they just wanted to evolve in a different way, which suggests they weren't out to purge the galaxy of organics at that point.  Most likely their proximity to Sovereign and his influence turned them hostile towards the galaxy.

[Evil_medved]

Citizen Q wrote...

KelbornX wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Again, you are trusting a genocidal little Diablous Ex Machina for your information on this "pattern" since no evidence of it can be observed in the current galactic cycle. If fact, the exact opposite has very likely already happened with the Geth and Quarians reconciling.
 

Umm.  The pattern is first observerd by the Protheans...  which the current cycle finds out about...  and then hey look, Reapers.  So yeah, the pattern is observed in the current cycle (which is kind of why it's called "the current cycle").  Did you even pay attention while playing the games?

The Geth/Quarian peace only happens in certain circumstances, and those are non-canon choices.  Since I didn't play ME2 on PC, my ME3 character had all the canon settings so it was either Quarians kill Geth or Geth kill Quarians.  

And like I said, it probably won't happen anytime soon...  but it's open for possiblity at any point.  Destroy is a short term gain, long term risk. 

I'd love to find out what the canon story for this would be.  Prob gonna do the auto-dialogue on my Soldier playthrough just to find out.  

The pattern is synthetics rising up and killing organics, yes?

How is this observable in the CURRENT cycle?

The True Geth fought a war against the Quarians, Yes?

The Quarians started this war by trying to commit genocide against the Geth when they attained sentience.

The ONLY OTHER RECORDED CONFLICT between synthetics and organics in this cycle is with the heretic Geth, who were corrupted BY THE REAPERS, the same Reapers this godchild claims to control in an effort to stop synthetics from killing organics.

In my playthrough the Geth are now HELPING synthetics fight the Reapers, whom the godchild says are supposed to be trying to protect us from the synthetics. A direct contradiction to his logic.

Where was your evidence of this pattern again?

Current cycle proved that all kid assumptions is complete nonsense, or Shepard would never reached citadel, kid is retard, the end.

[Garrand]

Why pick destroy? Why not pick the fourth logical option, "Screw you, your presentation of a false dichotomy is as illogical as all the others that have been presented to me over the course of 3 games. There's always another way."

Oh wait, logic doesn't exist for the end. In that case, since Shepard is apparently an idiot that accepts what GodKid says at face value, the only way to stop the cycle is to merge.

[Citizen Q]

Garrand wrote...

Why pick destroy? Why not pick the fourth logical option, "Screw you, your presentation of a false dichotomy is as illogical as all the others that have been presented to me over the course of 3 games. There's always another way."

Oh wait, logic doesn't exist for the end. In that case, since Shepard is apparently an idiot that accepts what GodKid says at face value, the only way to stop the cycle is to merge.

Absolutely agree.

I've said it before, and now I'll say it again.

I would have much prefered to go down fighting against the inevitable while trying to find another option, some other way to use the Crucible.

Only after kicking that genocidal creep right in the daddybags though. Or giving him the good 'ole SHEPARD PAAUUUNCHHH!!!!!! that I gave to the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par Citizen Q, 12 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[VinWizzy]

@FreshRevenge I felt the same way. As soon as that holo kid came out of nowhere, I just lost that feeling of epicness. I teared up when Mordin died. I was pissed when Kai Leng killed (well helped the disease kill) Thane and got revenge in the most BA way. I also felt real with Liara and wanted to see her again, my Shepard to see her again. When all of those fleets were fighting the Reapers and me having one the the most hardest fights in the game I felt so happy to see the game come to a close but it was that holo god kid that ruined it. It was the and probably only most out of place Mass Effect moment ever.

[Citizen Q]

VinWizzy wrote...

@FreshRevenge I felt the same way. As soon as that holo kid came out of nowhere, I just lost that feeling of epicness. I teared up when Mordin died. I was pissed when Kai Leng killed (well helped the disease kill) Thane and got revenge in the most BA way. I also felt real with Liara and wanted to see her again, my Shepard to see her again. When all of those fleets were fighting the Reapers and me having one the the most hardest fights in the game I felt so happy to see the game come to a close but it was that holo god kid that ruined it. It was the and probably only most out of place Mass Effect moment ever.

fixed.

[commanderkai]

I chose Destroy. I also think the Reaper Godchild psychopath was completely full of ****, and I don't believe a word about the Geth or EDI suffering the same fate as the Reapers. He was the voice of the...AI? People? that controlled the Reapers. They thought the perfect solution to prevent synthetics from destroying organics was creating synthetics and coming around every 50,000 years to destroy organics and use their corpses to create more synthetics.

Is it going against what the Godchild Psychopath said (which I guess was canon)? Sure. Do I care? **** no. Considering Joker was smiling after crash landing the Normandy, I'm going to guess EDI didn't just stop talking right next to him after the crash.

[ref]

I chose destroy because it's the only one where Shepard lives, in all honesty. If there was no attachment to any other characters (ala Deus Ex) I would have chosen Control or Synthesis, like how I chose to merge with Helios in Deus Ex.

[ABCoLD]

Renegade was blue and on the left. It was 11am and I'd been playing for 14 hours and got confused?

[FreshRevenge]

Citizen Q wrote...

VinWizzy wrote...

@FreshRevenge I felt the same way. As soon as that holo kid came out of nowhere, I just lost that feeling of epicness. I teared up when Mordin died. I was pissed when Kai Leng killed (well helped the disease kill) Thane and got revenge in the most BA way. I also felt real with Liara and wanted to see her again, my Shepard to see her again. When all of those fleets were fighting the Reapers and me having one the the most hardest fights in the game I felt so happy to see the game come to a close but it was that holo god kid that ruined it. It was the and probably only most out of place Mass Effect moment ever.

fixed.

I don't think his last sentence needs to be fixed and I will explain. It was the, and probably most out of place Mass Effect moment ever! Now it implies that out of all of the Mass Effect games, this was the one moment that felt out of place in the series. So he did write that correctly. I just place a comma after the to make a pause and place and Exclamation point to stress the meaning. I am no grammer king but when I do need to write something, I do understand sentences:D Oh I took out his only cause having two LY in conjuction doesn't sound right to me Probably Only, could of written Probably the only. that would sound better! This is how I would of written the sentence; after analizing my own sentences.


It was the, and probably the only most out of place Mass Effect moment ever.

Modifié par FreshRevenge, 12 mars 2012 - 10:00 .

[Pinworm45]

I went with Taking Control mostly because I walked left initially as I had no idea where to go and Shepherd moved so ****ing slowly that I didn't want to waste more time walking around.

I probably would have picked it anyway though. It's basically the same as Destroy but the geth don't die and Renegade Shepherd always wanted to control the universe (I played pretty evil), now he got his chance.

[Dae0]

First time through the ending I didnt quite catch what the blueberry boy said, so i winded up walking into the one in the middle (synthesis).

Second time around I started the control end sequence...then I saw what the final ending was and immediately stopped playing the game. Havent touched it since then...

[Auresta]

I think all options are left up in the air:

Control, you control the Reapers to go away peacefully to who knows where. My only problem with this is 1. Do you trust the catalyst when he says the Reapers were only bound to the catalyst? What if they are bound to other factors? 2. Who says the Reapers won't come back, even under your control? 3. Can Shepard even really control them?

Synthesis, presumably there is peace among everyone because synthetics are now more organic and organics are now more synthetic. My problem: 1. Why must I be God in order to obtain peace for my people? Wasn't my whole thing the fact that we should be able to self-determine and have free-will? Why impose my will on the galaxy and change everyone? 2. Why would I trust the catalyst when he says it's the only way for peace? He was wrong before.

Destroy, I destroy the Reapers and any synthetic life (if I trust the catalyst). Problem with this: 1. What if the catalyst isn't lying? Synthesis would be best. Control would be more peaceful as well. 2. Destroy, if we trust the catalyst, will destroy what you've worked so hard to achieve: peace between Geth and Quarians and EDI. 3. I destroy the reapers but at what cost?

[Genome852]

Because you destroy all synthetics (such as Geth) as well as the reapers. Legion's sacrifice to give the Geth individual intelligence would be all for naught. It's not something a paragon Shepard would have done IMO...

ABCoLD wrote...

Renegade was blue and on the left. It was 11am and I'd been playing for 14 hours and got confused?

There's no "paragon" or "renegade" ending in ME3. Each have consequences..

[Arbalest7]

Garrand wrote...

Why pick destroy? Why not pick the fourth logical option, "Screw you, your presentation of a false dichotomy is as illogical as all the others that have been presented to me over the course of 3 games. There's always another way."

Oh wait, logic doesn't exist for the end. In that case, since Shepard is apparently an idiot that accepts what GodKid says at face value, the only way to stop the cycle is to merge.

Hey give Shepard a break he just took a Reaper blast to the face he was having an off day.

[emperoralku]

rex285 wrote...

Cause I thought something was needed to try and help recreate the relays. What's better than those who supposedly created them. That's why I chose control.

Also I love the Geth and trust them more than any sentient race. They were betrayed by their creators for asking a question, tried to protect some of their masters while they still tried to eradicate the geth, chose not to exact revenge when the Quarians fled, chose not to assault the invading fleets until they opened fire, and chose to help the Quarians rebuild after all those injustices against them. I couldn't destroy them...

This.

IMO the Geth were more deserving of life than any of the organic races. 

[Pandaman102]

Y'know, thinking on the Synthesis ending reveals one massive logical fault:

It's not what organics are made of that leads to synthetics killing them, it's the fundamental differences in thought processes.

Just because organics are now partially synthetic doesn't mean they're going to view a networked toaster that much differently. They will still have individuality and oral limitations in communications (as suggested by the fact that Buzz Aldrin has to communicate Shepard's story verbally to the child in the end rather than instantaneous data transfer). Unless Synthesis has imposed a galaxy-wide indoctrination that enforces the belief that AIs created in a lab are no different from biosynthetics born from wombs, the conflict will only shift from "biological vs. synthetic" to "half-breed vs. pure breed" or "master vs. pet" (as opposed to "owner vs. appliance").

[FanHarel]

I thought synthesis would provide more benefits. Destroying the Reapers not only wipes out synthetic life, but according to the Catalyst, most of the technology we rely on. The Mass Relays are destroyed, the galaxy is divided; I didn't feel like crippling the universe further. So I figured maybe everyone might gain something from synthesis, the whole "strengths of both, weaknesses of none" concept.

[aimlessgun]

I can't believe people can actually justify wiping out the Geth and EDI.

Blue is clearly the best choice. Nobody has to die. You get to control the reapers and become reaper king. You can throw the reapers into a black hole afterwards if you want to be rid of them. 

Actually that's a problem with the blue ending: if you interpret it as "your consciousness ascends and you become king reaper", it's obviously the best choice. But a lot of people interpret it as "you die and give the reapers a single order, which is to retreat", which makes it easily the dumbest choice. So it's either clearly the best or clearly the worst. 

Modifié par aimlessgun, 12 mars 2012 - 10:36 .

[RebelByDesign]

I saw no good reason to pick any of them and actually tried to turn around and walk away. It's not a problem for me that all Shepard's options had massive consequences, but all the choices were presented in such a confusing manner and all seemed riddled with painfully faulty logic that I had no mind to pick any. (In order to see the ending, I picked Destroy. I figured that option at least obliterates Star Kid.)

Had I been able to, I would've taken my chances without the Crucible (as dire as they were) and not allowed Shepard to be railroaded into one of three absurd options that obvious moron blithely decided were the only choices. Didn't need your input kid. Please can you go back to getting blown up again now?

Modifié par RebelByDesign, 12 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Garrand wrote...

Why pick destroy? Why not pick the fourth logical option, "Screw you, your presentation of a false dichotomy is as illogical as all the others that have been presented to me over the course of 3 games. There's always another way."

Oh wait, logic doesn't exist for the end. In that case, since Shepard is apparently an idiot that accepts what GodKid says at face value, the only way to stop the cycle is to merge.

The belief that there is always another way is itself extremely illogical.

[Tsantilas]

I picked synthesis because destroying the Geth and EDI after all Shepard went through is complete bull****. It is the obvious choice for those that sided with the Quarians against the Geth though.

[Bigdoser]

my renegade shep went for destory because I think the destroy ending is pretty much a middle finger to the reapers I think control and synthesis is submission to the reapers reasoning I personally also think legion would approve of the destory ending. Think back to me2 when you destroy the base as legion said you are offered true understanding and unity by the old machines and you rejected it you are more like the geth than we thought. This is what someone said another topic.

I was just talking to EDI, and she said something that made Shepard ask "Are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?", which is a quote from Saren on Virmire, I believe. I find it odd that this quote is fresh enough in Shepard's mind that s/he'd remember it in a talk with EDI.

I find it even more odd that the two endings we are putting forth as accepting Reaper indoctrination (in other words, submission) are the endings that DONT cause the extinction of the Reapers and the Geth.

If its all a hallucination/indoctrination, it could be Harbinger trying to convince Shepard that submission is indeed preferable to extinction, like Sovereign did to Saren.

edit:I hold the opinion that harbinger is trying to indoctrinate shepard and when shepard wakes up at the end of destroy if your ems is high enough thats after harby shot hammer with its laser. As I said I think synthesis and control is sumbmission to the reapers reasoning lets not forget the meaning of crucible it means "severe test or trial" the end is a test of shepard resolve imo. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 12 mars 2012 - 11:46 .