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[Dr_Hello]

That's very strange. I read all over the web that you need at least 5000 of EMS, and I had around 6700 when I started the Earth mission and made sure it remained above 6000 -- by playing multiplayer whenever the war readiness percentage would drop -- for when I reach the 'ending' decision.
Then choose to 'Destroy the Reapers'... and despite all of that, I didn't see the extra shot of Shepard among the wreckage.

How come? Anybody knows why?

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[Felene]

Is it NG+? I didn't get one with import ME2 save but I got it with NG+.

[Dr_Hello]

Felene wrote...

Is it NG+? I didn't get one with import ME2 save but I got it with NG+.

Oh I see... No, this was my 1st playthrough and an import ME2.

That would make sense and is reassuring to hear because then it isn't some weird glitch in my game copy. Thanks for letting me know!

So I guess I'll have to do a 2nd playthrough, keep my EMS up, and choose to destroy the Reapers to finally get that Shepard-survives save file.

I wish BioWare would unlock something special for players who finished the game at Insanity level, because I managed to do so.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[Dr_Hello]

Two other questions:

1. Given that player has 5000++ EMS,
Is the Shepard-survive option only available with the 'Destroy Reaper'?
What if one chooses 'Synthesis'? I guess that wouldn't be possible because Shepard's body disintegrates in the energy beam.

2. I couldn't get Anderson to live, what's required for that?

[jeweledleah]

Shepard survives is destroy only. you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get that last persuasion option with him

Modifié par jeweledleah, 12 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[Flashlegend]

As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

[Rabb02]

jeweledleah wrote...
Shepard survives is destroy only.
you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson
as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to
pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade
or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in
all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion
check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get
that last persuasion option with him

Flashlegend wrote...
As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

That explains allot, mine allways died and I wondered why. what do you guys mean by NG+? I'm probbly going to feel stupid for asking now lol

[Dr_Hello]

Flashlegend wrote...

As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

The other above posters mention that Shepard can only survive if player has 5000++ EMS and it's a NG+ which would make sense because I had above 6000 EMS and chosed 'Destroy Reapers' but didn't see Shepard survive. I guess I'll have to do a 2nd playthrough to get it?! and hopefully that save file would mean something for the DLCs, otherwise what's the point of it...

[Dr_Hello]

Rabb02 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
Shepard survives is destroy only.
you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson
as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to
pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade
or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in
all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion
check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get
that last persuasion option with him

Flashlegend wrote...
As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

That explains allot, mine allways died and I wondered why. what do you guys mean by NG+? I'm probbly going to feel stupid for asking now lol

If I'm not mistaken, NG+ means second playthrough. Once you finish the game, import your last save file to restart the story and play through again.

[Dr_Hello]

jeweledleah wrote...

Shepard survives is destroy only. you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get that last persuasion option with him

Thanks for your info.

Makes sense about the Illusive Man. The strange thing is I did have 5000++ EMS and still, TIM made Shepard shot Anderson... ??!

About the persuasion check on Mars, that's interesting, I don't recall whether I had it or not. I imagine I would have had it (at least the paragon option) because I imported my ME2 100% paragon Shepard into ME3 and started the game at level 30 etc.

Were you playing a NG+ ?

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[jeweledleah]

Dr_Hello wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Shepard survives is destroy only. you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get that last persuasion option with him

Thanks for your info.

Makes sense about the Illusive Man. The strange thing is I did have 5000++ EMS and still, TIM made Shepard shot Anderson... ??!

About the persuasion check on Mars, that's interesting, I don't recall whether I had it or not. I imagine I would have had it (at least the paragon option) because I imported my ME2 100% paragon Shepard into ME3 and started the game at level 30 etc.

Were you playing a NG+ ?

nope, just ME1 & 2 import, mostly paragon with a smidgen of renegade.  I used persuade options in every conversation with him and ended up getting TIm to suicide, ala Saren. I cannot bring myself to reimport again.  I'm mostly just doing couple of non-import speed runs right now, to test a certain theory and play around with different classes.  can't replay this game with any manner of involvement as long as the endings are the way they are.

now - your EMS has zero affect on whether you get to save Anderson or not.  it is entirely dependent on you passing persuasion checks with TIM, every single conversation.

EMS score only affects if you get that extra cut scene with destroy ending. (and if you do "save" Anderson - you need 4000, but you can still get Shepard lives ending even if you didn't save Anderson... with 5000 EMS score)

I hope this made a little be more sense.

[Flashlegend]

Dr_Hello wrote...

Flashlegend wrote...

As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

The other above posters mention that Shepard can only survive if player has 5000++ EMS and it's a NG+ which would make sense because I had above 6000 EMS and chosed 'Destroy Reapers' but didn't see Shepard survive. I guess I'll have to do a 2nd playthrough to get it?! and hopefully that save file would mean something for the DLCs, otherwise what's the point of it...

I'll say it again, NG+ isn't needed. Shepard's survival is implied. If you have over 5k EMS, right before the credits roll, you see a N7 logo on some battleworn armor in the midst of citadel rubble and then you hear some one gasp for air. That's what people are talking about when they say shepard survives. You might not see him/her but it's implied. If you don't believe me, just go youtube it.

edit: grammar

Modifié par Flashlegend, 12 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Rabb02]

Dr_Hello wrote...

Rabb02 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
Shepard survives is destroy only.
you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson
as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to
pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade
or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in
all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion
check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get
that last persuasion option with him

Flashlegend wrote...
As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

That explains allot, mine allways died and I wondered why. what do you guys mean by NG+? I'm probbly going to feel stupid for asking now lol

If I'm not mistaken, NG+ means second playthrough. Once you finish the game, import your last save file to restart the story and play through again.

I knew id feel stupid for asking lol. I had to start a new game because my ME2 import didn't work. Does a 2nd playthrough get you more EMS?

Modifié par Rabb02, 12 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Dr_Hello]

jeweledleah wrote...

Dr_Hello wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Shepard survives is destroy only. you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get that last persuasion option with him

Thanks for your info.

Makes sense about the Illusive Man. The strange thing is I did have 5000++ EMS and still, TIM made Shepard shot Anderson... ??!

About the persuasion check on Mars, that's interesting, I don't recall whether I had it or not. I imagine I would have had it (at least the paragon option) because I imported my ME2 100% paragon Shepard into ME3 and started the game at level 30 etc.

Were you playing a NG+ ?

nope, just ME1 & 2 import, mostly paragon with a smidgen of renegade.  I used persuade options in every conversation with him and ended up getting TIm to suicide, ala Saren. I cannot bring myself to reimport again.  I'm mostly just doing couple of non-import speed runs right now, to test a certain theory and play around with different classes.  can't replay this game with any manner of involvement as long as the endings are the way they are.

now - your EMS has zero affect on whether you get to save Anderson or not.  it is entirely dependent on you passing persuasion checks with TIM, every single conversation.

EMS score only affects if you get that extra cut scene with destroy ending. (and if you do "save" Anderson - you need 4000, but you can still get Shepard lives ending even if you didn't save Anderson... with 5000 EMS score)

I hope this made a little be more sense.

Yes that makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

One more question: To get the extra cut scene with destroy ending whereby Shepard survives, does it have to be NG+? It sounds like yours wasn't.  That'd be odd then because I did have 5000+ EMS. Also, in my version, TIM did kill himself too.

I hear you re: not too inspired for replaying the game given the not so inspiring endings. A real bummer for us all!!

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Dr_Hello]

Flashlegend wrote...

Dr_Hello wrote...

Flashlegend wrote...

As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

The other above posters mention that Shepard can only survive if player has 5000++ EMS and it's a NG+ which would make sense because I had above 6000 EMS and chosed 'Destroy Reapers' but didn't see Shepard survive. I guess I'll have to do a 2nd playthrough to get it?! and hopefully that save file would mean something for the DLCs, otherwise what's the point of it...

I'll say it again, NG+ isn't needed. Shepard's survival is implied. If you have over 5k EMS, right before the credits roll, you see a N7 logo on some battleworn armor in the midst of citadel rubble and then you hear some one gasp for air. That's what people are talking about when they say shepard survives. You might not see him/her but it's implied. If you don't believe me, just go youtube it.

edit: grammar

That's odd then because I did have 5000++ EMS before end credits but didn't see the extra cut scene of the person in the N7 armor. I in fact had about 6700 EMS with a readiness rating of 99%.

I'm confused now...

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Dr_Hello]

Rabb02 wrote...

Dr_Hello wrote...

Rabb02 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
Shepard survives is destroy only.
you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson
as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to
pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade
or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in
all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion
check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get
that last persuasion option with him

Flashlegend wrote...
As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

That explains allot, mine allways died and I wondered why. what do you guys mean by NG+? I'm probbly going to feel stupid for asking now lol

If I'm not mistaken, NG+ means second playthrough. Once you finish the game, import your last save file to restart the story and play through again.

I knew id feel stupid for asking lol. I had to start a new game because my ME2 import didn't work. Does a 2nd playthrough get you more EMS?

Don't feel stupid for asking... right now we are all dumbstruck by the way the endings came together.

I don't think a 2nd playthrough gives you extra EMS, I might be wrong about that. I'll start a NG+ to see, and let you know. You can increase your EMS by playing multiplyer for increasing the readiness rating percentage, which is BioWare's clever way to incite players to spend time on the multipayer. The multiplayer isn't so bad actually.

[Dr_Hello]

Dr_Hello wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Dr_Hello wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Shepard survives is destroy only. you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get that last persuasion option with him

Thanks for your info.

Makes sense about the Illusive Man. The strange thing is I did have 5000++ EMS and still, TIM made Shepard shot Anderson... ??!

About the persuasion check on Mars, that's interesting, I don't recall whether I had it or not. I imagine I would have had it (at least the paragon option) because I imported my ME2 100% paragon Shepard into ME3 and started the game at level 30 etc.

Were you playing a NG+ ?

nope, just ME1 & 2 import, mostly paragon with a smidgen of renegade.  I used persuade options in every conversation with him and ended up getting TIm to suicide, ala Saren. I cannot bring myself to reimport again.  I'm mostly just doing couple of non-import speed runs right now, to test a certain theory and play around with different classes.  can't replay this game with any manner of involvement as long as the endings are the way they are.

now - your EMS has zero affect on whether you get to save Anderson or not.  it is entirely dependent on you passing persuasion checks with TIM, every single conversation.

EMS score only affects if you get that extra cut scene with destroy ending. (and if you do "save" Anderson - you need 4000, but you can still get Shepard lives ending even if you didn't save Anderson... with 5000 EMS score)

I hope this made a little be more sense.

Yes that makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

One more question: To get the extra cut scene with destroy ending whereby Shepard survives, does it have to be NG+? It sounds like yours wasn't.  That'd be odd then because I did have 5000+ EMS. Also, in my version, TIM did kill himself too.

I hear you re: not too inspired for replaying the game given the not so inspiring endings. A real bummer for us all!!

Damn... I checked out www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Endings and according to IGN, there isn't a NG+ ending and I should have got the Shepard-survive ending with my 5000++ EMS. I don't understand why I didn't ?!

What a crappy way to end this trilogy...

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[Flashlegend]

This the ending I got, only difference is it was liara standing next joker instead of garrus. I imported my save from ME1+ME2. And don't worry, even with shepard surviving it's still a pretty crappy ending no matter how you choose to look at it.

Didn't bioware promise us a final game that wouldn't leave us with unanswered questions, a game where our choices would actually matter and determine the outcome of the story. And finally give use closure?

What did we get? Deus ex machina space casper, Normandy inexplicably flying off somewhere in the middle of the confrontation with the reapers at FTL speed with crewmates which magically teleported from earth. And the prospect of knowing our Shepard's will never see their love interest again(mine was liara)

Bioware knows how to troll alright.

[Dr_Hello]

Flashlegend wrote...



This
the ending I got, only difference is it was liara standing next joker
instead of garrus. I imported my save from ME1+ME2. And don't worry,
even with shepard surviving it's still a pretty crappy ending no matter
how you choose to look at it.

Didn't bioware promise us a final
game that wouldn't leave us with unanswered questions, a game where our
choices would actually matter and determine the outcome of the story.
And finally give use closure?

What did we get? Deus ex machina
space casper, Normandy inexplicably flying off somewhere in the middle
of the confrontation with the reapers at FTL speed with crewmates which
magically teleported from earth. And the prospect of knowing our
Shepard's will never see their love interest again(mine was liara)

Bioware knows how to troll alright.

It's the least worst ending to put it correctly. I agree, even if Shepard survives, the way they did/showed it is, Shepard's left in the ruble and will most likely never be able to meet his/her love interest because Normandy is probably in another star system and the mass relays - mode of transport to get there - are all destroyed. Real BUMMER!!

Unless BioWare has plans to continue the story in their DLCs ??!! remains to be seen. Like perhaps a DLC where Shepard tries to reunite with Liara or whichever love interest it was, but what type of game would that be?!

I recommend everyone to check this thread: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9809758#9809758
On it, there's a link to someone's blog where he wrote an alternate ending and it is pretty good!!

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 10:08 .

[Rabb02]

Dr_Hello wrote...

Rabb02 wrote...

Dr_Hello wrote...

Rabb02 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
Shepard survives is destroy only.
you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson
as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to
pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade
or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in
all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion
check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get
that last persuasion option with him

Flashlegend wrote...
As the above poster has said, Shepard will only survive in red, synthetic destruction ending. Has nothing to do with a NG+ game. Shepard will always die in the other endings.

That explains allot, mine allways died and I wondered why. what do you guys mean by NG+? I'm probbly going to feel stupid for asking now lol

If I'm not mistaken, NG+ means second playthrough. Once you finish the game, import your last save file to restart the story and play through again.

I knew id feel stupid for asking lol. I had to start a new game because my ME2 import didn't work. Does a 2nd playthrough get you more EMS?

Don't feel stupid for asking... right now we are all dumbstruck by the way the endings came together.

I don't think a 2nd playthrough gives you extra EMS, I might be wrong about that. I'll start a NG+ to see, and let you know. You can increase your EMS by playing multiplyer for increasing the readiness rating percentage, which is BioWare's clever way to incite players to spend time on the multipayer. The multiplayer isn't so bad actually.

I got some allready boosted my readinies by 5% allready with multiplayer earlier. Kinda reminded me of R6. It was actually allot of fun. I'll see what happens at the end of my next playthrough hopefully I can get to see the other ending and save anderson this time.

Thanks for the responses.

[JosephShrike]

I just want to throw this out there so you don't expect anything else. You 'save' Anderson. Shepard still shoots him, and he still dies, but you have some dialogue with him which is...well. It's really just fantastic.

[Dr_Hello]

JosephShrike wrote...

I just want to throw this out there so you don't expect anything else. You 'save' Anderson. Shepard still shoots him, and he still dies, but you have some dialogue with him which is...well. It's really just fantastic.

Thanks!

Yea I've come to realize that that's the result  I got through using the paragon dialogue options: TIM makes Shepard shoot Anderson, in return Shepard debates further with TIM and TIM kills himself.
However, Anderson does die regardless. The difference is, if Shepard can persuade TIM, after TIM shoots himself, Shepard and Anderson get to have a moment of peace and camaraderie but eventually Anderson closes his eyes and dies. There's no Anderson surviving outcome I believe.

Now, I've yet to figure out why with my 6700 EMS and choosing to destroy the reapers, I didn't get the Shepard-survive extra cutscene. But I'm wondering what's the point of trying to unlock such ending anyway... that will all depend upon how well the next ME3 DLC plays out and connects to how things currently ended... we'll see.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[Darkov]

I don't think Shepard surviving has anything to do with the EMS, it seems to be more related to your reputation and choices. My first play through with an import save, has 5000 ish EMS and max reputation, used Paragon options whenever they appeared and Shepard survived for me.

Though it is pointless, there is nothing that can happen after any of the endings.

[Svancara]

I feel stupid for asking but what's EMS?

[Collitinius]

EMS=Effective Military Strength. Overly-simplified, it's your Military Strength times your Galactic Readiness %.

So, if your Military Strength is 5000, but your Galactic Readiness is at 50% (it's default value unless you do some multiplayer OR play the IOS game)...your EMS is actually 2500.