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[Tancho]

I had the same thing happen. I realized, however, it's a result of not passing a persuasion check with TIM. I had 5000 EMS and saved Anderson via a renegade interrupt (I forgot to persuade TIM throughout the game). If you 'save' Anderson, the requirement for Shepard surviving is supposed to drop to 4000.

However, the other element is TIM. I'm not sure why they didn't mention this in the PRIMA guide...perhaps because they expected you to explore all dialogue options. Who knows. Anyways, I have to save Anderson by persuading TIM in order to survive. Try persuasion on a playthrough and see if it changes. Even if Anderson dies, 6000 should be enough after you deal with TIM.

[OMTING52601]

And you can pass that persuasion without meeting the 4K EMS. Getting TIM to kill himself or getting the renegade interrupt to shoot him yourself doesn't seem to be tied at all to EMS, it's more about how you've dealt with TIM in ME 2/ME 3. I dealt with TIM mostly renegade in ME 2, I think I took a couple of paragon options in game, then handled him the same way in ME 3. My EMS was 3500 or thereabouts and he offed himself in my game and I got the extra chat with Anderson.

Of course, I chose green, so my Shep bit the big one, which I loathe - just peeves me to no end. Despite knowing what I knew at the time, I think their should be a survival option for all the choices. ROFL, I mean if Shep can survive the explosion of the citadel, a fall from space, and re-entry into Earth's atmosphere without a suit or helmet... That mofo should be able to survive anything, LOL!

[Dr_Hello]

That's very strange because I think I did all that you guys are telling me, that is:

- I had over 6000 EMS
- I persuaded TIM by using 3 paragon dialogue options and he eventually shot himself in the head
- Got to talk to Anderson while Shepard and him sat on the ground. Anderson eventually closes his eyes, either he died right there or lost consciousness
- Chosed 'Destroy Reapers'
- In ME2, I mostly used Paragon dialogue options to argue with TIM.

End Result: I didn't get the extra cutscene of Shepard surviving, in the rubble. ??!!

Reason why I want to get that ending and the save file is because I'm hoping this will play out good in the next DLCs... because maybe... maybe... there's more to the story (to be told in the DLCs) than these cut and dry endings which totally disregard all the decisions we've made in the past games, crushing the players, forcing them in a corner.
But if that's truly how the Mass Effect trilogy meant to end, then Shepard failed to 'break the cycle', he had to bend to the Reapers' master. Though they might be profound endings, they are totally uninspirational; total lack of hope.

Part of me fears that, that's the way BioWare wanted to end the trilogy because the way the endings are, that allows them to somewhat 'reboot' the series... restart from zero with no mass relays and what not.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 12 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[xeNNN]

at the risk of sounding like a complete and utter fool, what is a NG+? (im new to the forum lol )

[Dr_Hello]

NG+ means 2nd playthrough. After finishing the game once, import your M3 character to restart the game. You'll get to start with your high class levels, weapons and armor.

In ME2, the NG+ additionally offered bonus powers.
In ME3, not sure what the NG+ provides... other than the same dire endings... more slaps in the face.

[OMTING52601]

I'm not sure what NG+ offers to the good, but I do know for certain NG+ doesn't give you a bonus to EMS.

[Demonhoopa]

Is it possible to achieve a EMS of 5000 without playing multiplayer?

[DrowNoble]

Dr_Hello wrote...

That's very strange. I read all over the web that you need at least 5000 of EMS, and I had around 6700 when I started the Earth mission and made sure it remained above 6000 -- by playing multiplayer whenever the war readiness percentage would drop -- for when I reach the 'ending' decision.
Then choose to 'Destroy the Reapers'... and despite all of that, I didn't see the extra shot of Shepard among the wreckage.

How come? Anybody knows why?

Because Bioware already had the ending predetermined and you have no say in it.  Regardless of your choices and war rating, the ending is always pretty much the same:  galaxy is FUBAR.

[Dr_Hello]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Is it possible to achieve a EMS of 5000 without playing multiplayer?

Doubtful. Because by default the readiness rating is 50%, halving whatever Military strength points you might have. So you'd need to play some multiplayer to increase the readiness rating.

What's really bugging me right now is, although I managed to get 6000++ EMS and choose the Destroy-Reaper ending plus I got to make TIM kill himself, I still didn't get the ending whereby Shepard lives.

[goodventure]

I had the same problem.

It's because I didn't reach the 4,000 EMS minimum BEFORE I went to The Illusive Man's base. My score was about 3,500 when I did that level.

I saved right before I went to Earth, played multiplayer to get my score up to 5,000+, and finished the game... I didn't get the Shepard survives ending, even though I persuaded TIM to shoot himself, and I chose the Destroy ending too.

You're supposed to reach the score you want before you go to the Illusive Man's base.

The game rewards you the "Master and Commander" achievement when you land on his base, so I'm taking that as a sign that the game "checks" your score at that point and uses that to determine whether or not you get the "Shepard is alive" ending.

Modifié par goodventure, 13 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Dr_Hello]

DrowNoble wrote...

Dr_Hello wrote...

That's very strange. I read all over the web that you need at least 5000 of EMS, and I had around 6700 when I started the Earth mission and made sure it remained above 6000 -- by playing multiplayer whenever the war readiness percentage would drop -- for when I reach the 'ending' decision.
Then choose to 'Destroy the Reapers'... and despite all of that, I didn't see the extra shot of Shepard among the wreckage.

How come? Anybody knows why?

Because Bioware already had the ending predetermined and you have no say in it.  Regardless of your choices and war rating, the ending is always pretty much the same:  galaxy is FUBAR.

I agree. All the endings pretty much disappoint. It feels abrupt, cut and dry... disregarding all the choices, points, love interest features which players have spent hours and hours playing and replaying to get them right. Right now as the endings are, it feels like a Mass Effect reboot is to come.
Maybe that's how BioWare was planning to move on from the Shepard story to something else?
or maybe, and hopefully, they got something worthy coming up in a next DLC which will blow everyone away as it picks up from the current endings. So in the hope that there's a future DLC which will fill the gaps and tie the knots, I want to get the ending with Shepard-survive which I should have got with my 6000++ EMS !!

[Dr_Hello]

goodventure wrote...

I had the same problem.

It's because I didn't reach the 4,000 EMS minimum BEFORE I went to The Illusive Man's base. My score was about 3,500 when I did that level.

I saved right before I went to Earth, played multiplayer to get my score up to 5,000+, and finished the game... I didn't get the Shepard survives ending, even though I persuaded TIM to shoot himself, and I chose the Destroy ending too.

You're supposed to reach the score you want before you go to the Illusive Man's base.

The game rewards you the "Master and Commander" achievement when you land on his base, so I'm taking that as a sign that the game "checks" your score at that point and uses that to determine whether or not you get the "Shepard is alive" ending.

That makes total sense!  I was wondering about that, about when does the game actually check for the EMS points.

Some people told me right before the ending credits, which turns out to be untrue it seems.

Thanks much!!

Right now, I've still got 6000++ EMS. I'll redo the Illusive man's mission and hopefully that'll take me there to the Sephard-lives ending... and more hopefully, the next DLC will fill the gaps and tie the knots in the Shepard story of the ME saga.

[smuper]

My Ending:
Imported Level 30 ME 2 Char
EMS: 4099 (59%)
IM Decisions: BLUE -> BLUE -> BLUE -> No Renegade/Paragon Speech Option possible-> Renegade Action to shoot IM used. -> Destroy Reaper -> Shepard Lives

[Demonhoopa]

I don't really appreciate being forced into playing multi player. I am into RPGs and have zero interest in on line shooter play. I don't even have xbox gold.

[Dr_Hello]

Demonhoopa wrote...

I don't really appreciate being forced into playing multi player. I am into RPGs and have zero interest in on line shooter play. I don't even have xbox gold.

And that in a way is another aspect of ME3 which isn't so great.
I don't mind multiplayer because I used to play CounterStrike and such before. I enjoy it, less now that I completed the game and saw the [not sure what to call it anymore] endings.

But for gamers who don't like the multiplayer, being forced to do so can be bothering indeed.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 13 mars 2012 - 02:14 .

[Ravenmyste]

Dr_Hello wrote...

That's very strange. I read all over the web that you need at least 5000 of EMS, and I had around 6700 when I started the Earth mission and made sure it remained above 6000 -- by playing multiplayer whenever the war readiness percentage would drop -- for when I reach the 'ending' decision.
Then choose to 'Destroy the Reapers'... and despite all of that, I didn't see the extra shot of Shepard among the wreckage.

How come? Anybody knows why?

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[Ravenmyste]

Demonhoopa wrote...

I don't really appreciate being forced into playing multi player. I am into RPGs and have zero interest in on line shooter play. I don't even have xbox gold.

cough cough dont need to be in mp i did my first run with out MP this  picture that posted alink to is with mp and the fish!

[Dr_Hello]

Ravenmyste wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

I don't really appreciate being forced into playing multi player. I am into RPGs and have zero interest in on line shooter play. I don't even have xbox gold.

cough cough dont need to be in mp i did my first run with out MP this  picture that posted alink to is with mp and the fish!

But without MP, you can't get 5000++ EMS, needed for the ending with Shepard-survive apparently.

[Tazzmission]

jeweledleah wrote...

Shepard survives is destroy only. you need 4000 EMS if you pass TIM persuasion check (and "save" Anderson as a result) or 5000EMS if you don't.

ONLY works with destroy "red" ending.

to pass TIM persuasion check, you have to use persuasion options (renegade or paragon - doesn't matter, but persuasion options must be used) in all 3 conversation you have with him.  if you don't pass persuasion check on Mars, even with maximum reputation, you will not be able to get that last persuasion option with him

then thats how i failed it

damnit

[Tazzmission]

OMTING52601 wrote...

I'm not sure what NG+ offers to the good, but I do know for certain NG+ doesn't give you a bonus to EMS.

it lets you keep your full meter of reputation powers and weapons

i also got the level 60 cap on it

i also got the master and commander achievment

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

How can it do the check at the Illusive Man's base if you get the Reaper Heart/Brain from it as an asset?

[dave1904]

DESTROY!!!

[FabricatedWookie]

I failed check but still saw shepard alive, was second playthrough but it was my second me2 import

I did shoot TIM before he shot anderson though...

Modifié par FabricatedWookie, 13 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[Hedera]

NG+ has nothing to do with it. I got the "Shepard Lives!" thing in my first playthrough. For the record, I had 100% readiness going into endgame, so my EMS was 7000+

[Dr_Hello]

Awesomness wrote...

How can it do the check at the Illusive Man's base if you get the Reaper Heart/Brain from it as an asset?

I'm not sure myself. I've been told that's when the check for EMS amoung happens, so I'm counting on it.

Last time I played, I had less than 4000 EMS going into the Ceberus Base mission. Then, before the Earth-London mission, I played multiplayer to bring my readiness rating to 100% and got 6000++ EMS... chosed 'Destroy Reapers'... to my disappointment, I didn't get the Shepard-survives ending.

So I'm really hoping the reason is I didn't pass the check (if it's) right before the Cenerus base mission, because I'd simply replay that mission with 5000++ EMS.