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[StabGuy]

mjharper wrote...

StabGuy wrote...

I
never had a desire to play as a homosexual character so guess what ....
I didn't. I never once felt forced to play as one so I don't know what
insane logic you are using to come up with that theory.

I'm
sure you've thought about it on more than one occasion. You're not a
bigot or an idiot right? Why wouldn't you take up the chance to fulfill
your fantasy in a video game?

So anyone who doen't feel threatened by homosexuals is a latent homosexual?

Maybe anyone who does feel threathened by them is a latent idiot.

Your 'friend' is just too embarrassed to admit he is gay, kinda sad really.. Hides behind the token personality of a straight white guy fighting emotionally and passionately for something which is the opposite of him makes a lot of sense.

Nassegris wrote...

Wow, I guess I should have gone to the forums and raged a bit because Liara likes to hit on my femshep.

Or, wait. It’s always fine with lesbians but if a guy bats his lashes at another male in a game, it’s horrific and wrong.

Look – yeah, romances are handled a bit clumsy OVERALL in these games. If you’re nice to someone, regardless of gender and species, they’ll think you’re trying to get into their pants and will always respond the same.

There are way more strange things going on in the bedroom in ME than guy-on-guy action – I don’t even want to think about how Femshep and Garrus gets it on. Do you have any clue of what kind of ‘tools’ these characters have? For all you know, some of the ones that look like hot girls have a plug rather than a socket underneath their clothes, if you know what I mean.

Complain that all the romances might have been handed with less heavy-handedness – that there could have been  additional options that make it clear that there’s flirting going on rather than just being nice, and that the only way to avoid it shouldn’t be to be unfriendly. But don’t say it’s just in the male-male relationship department. It’s all over the place. I always found Liara to be absolutely boring and really had to struggle for my Paragon to be both friendly with her and somehow not invite her to Shep’s bed.

I’m bisexual, by the way. That is, generally speaking, not really how it works.

Hmm good post. I guess it is universal.

[MedhiaNox]

ncknck: So - by that token - why do we even have a fem-shep? Unless you claim most players of ME3 are female?

@Volus Warlord: I know you're a caricature of ... edgy, hardnosed, Fundy (or whatever)... but on a serious note - I've only got straight male friends and I don't crush on them.

[azerSheppard]

Fidget6 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

The "paragon" interrupt almost made Shepard kiss Cortez. Luckily i alt-f4'd the **** in time.

Being nice to all crewmates =/= being gay, damnit.

Really? I played femshep and there wasn't even the slightest hint at romance. If femshep were a dude, it would have definitely been considered a true bromance.

Maybe it's because Cortez would go "Eeeeew!" if he saw some kittykat? I dunno, maybe he is into men?

[Russalka]

@StabGuy When one is comfortable with oneself's sexuality, then things like mistakes over misinterpreting friendly conversation as flirting are not a big deal, regardless who is it is one is desling with, male or female.

[MedhiaNox]

Cortez is GAY?!

FEED HIM TO THE REAPERS!

[sheppard7]

StabGuy wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Gespenst wrote...

StabGuy wrote...
It is kind of funny how it backflipped on Bioware, this guy doesn't even have a problem with gays but Bioware is telling him to be gay.

No they're not. He's just mad because he raised all the relationship flags and is mad that his Shep ended up in a relationship.

The OP needs to bear this in mind

Cause >>>> Effect.

That's all.

IRL, you can be friendly to homosexuals and they don't think it means you want to be in their beds though. Straight guys can be "bros" with gay guys just fine and respect each other. Not always because a straight guy is a bro to a gay guy means he's gay too.

Exactly, this is the point which is being missed time and time again.

If it's implemented right, who cares? If it's implemented poorly people are left with a rude shock wondering how they went from friend to homosexual lover.

Bioware doesn't seem to get it that straight people can be good friends with homosexuals. It's either the person must be gay or they can't be friends. My ME3 though seems to be better about it then DA2 was though. I haven't witnessed any forced advances like in DA2.

[Volus Warlord]

MedhiaNox wrote...
@Volus Warlord: I know you're a caricature of ... edgy, hardnosed, Fundy (or whatever)... but on a serious note - I've only got straight male friends and I don't crush on them.

Yep, that's me.. though you should use a better would than "fundy":happy:

Still don't buy it. I've had to tell gay kids to screw off  on more than one occasion. 

[Nassegris]

Russalka wrote...

@StabGuy When one is comfortable with oneself's sexuality, then things like mistakes over misinterpreting friendly conversation as flirting are not a big deal, regardless who is it is one is desling with, male or female.

Well put. I think in my own post I might have made it seem like I was actually upset over Liara. I wasn't, thus never went to rage at the forums. I just figured out a way to work around it.

/sigh. Only character I genuinely wanted my Femshep with was Jack, dangitall.

[Russalka]

@sheppard7 If there are plenty of people here saying they had no problems with being friendly, why is there still any argument?

Also, wherr were the whiners when this happened with teammates who were not male and open for gay relationships?

Anders still makes sense because he was a needy insane bastard.

[MedhiaNox]

@Volus Warlord: Well then, MAYBE you should stop hanging out at gay bars?

Your belief is irrelevant - I told you a fact, you can either ignore it and continue being you - or you can accept it and advance your world view even if only a little bit.

You see - real life is better than any video game - your choices in real life really do matter. Go on, try it.

[nipsen]

Volus Warlord wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

IRL, you can be friendly to homosexuals and they don't think it means you want to be in their beds though. 

 Sorry, that's a damn joke. 

...um, no. I know one gay guy who acts like people in Bioware games. I know he's been punched in the mouth several times. "Uh, it's not that I'm fishing for emotional response, or anything, but you're a delicious boy! And my feelings will be hurt if you roll your eyes and cut me off!".

What happened to the gradual developing romance like Thane's script in ME2, for example.. (oh, I know, not the same writers).

Funny thing about it all is that the writers at Bioware have been going on about mature relationships, and pursuing relationships consciously before anything happens. And then they just expose themselves as extremely childish, and not really very good writers either.

I suppose I think that if people think the Bioware sexual universe makes sense - or don't see how suggestive and shallow the writing in me3 is... that's kind of not a good thing.

And I mean, there are ways to have gay men complement a hetero Shepard on how awesome he is, without going down a "romance" path. Same with a gay Shepard. Do gays who complement each other on anything whatsoever automatically go down "romance"? Of course not. And it wouldn't occur to bioware to do the same with a woman, so why men?

By the way - anyone else find it a bit embarrassing that no one else on the ship apparently talk to anyone besides Shepard? It's like everyone is having a "will you tell the other person standing right outside this door that they may do.." -episode..

[Volus Warlord]

MedhiaNox wrote...

@Volus Warlord: Well then, MAYBE you should stop hanging out at gay bars?

Your belief is irrelevant - I told you a fact, you can either ignore it and continue being you - or you can accept it and advance your world view even if only a little bit.

You see - real life is better than any video game - your choices in real life really do matter. Go on, try it.

DARNIT YOU CAUGHT ME!

Lol no. It was just a few people from school I had to deal with on a regular basis and I was polite at first. And then they misconceived my manners and then I told them to screw off harshly and repeatedly when they didn't get what I meant when I told them to screw off the first time. 

Fact eh? Doesn't matter much. Your personal habits have no impact on my life. Largely irrelevant.

Also, if real life is better than video game, why the hell are so many obsessed with them?

[Verruk]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Two gay romances for male Shep

GAYS EVERYWHERE

This.


Aside from that... I personally think those two options were still quite poor. So it's stupid that there may be guys hitting on a guy, but it is perfectly reasonable that so many woman fall for that guy, yeah? God damn, it's a game and in this case it is supposed to give everyone the possibility to be who they want to be. At least I noticed when I went into the flirt direction with anyone immediatly. And that even though I stayed in character and answered that I am eye candy, too, when I talked to Cortez. Since even after that BioWare made sure to not make all those 13 year old boys angry with making it really obvious in the next part of the conversation what is going on. Since yeah, my Shepard is gay, but didn't have any romance in any of the games (since the possibilities you had just sucked in my opinion). When I heard there will be gay relationships I actually really expected more...
Aside from that I think heterosexuality just as well as homosexuality are up to some point just trivial, from personal experience, but I know I'm quite alone with that concept of seeing it. 

[azerSheppard]

The only male SS relationship that is pulled off correctly is Cortez, imo, he is set as a homosexual character, whereas Kaidan suddenly wants Sheploo, now we all KNOW that he was originally supposed to be bisexual in ME, but that got scraped, so it doesn't make sense to change the character into a homosexual, it would be like turning Cortez hetro.

As i barely play any femshep, (because i can better role-play as a male character, being male in real life), I don't know how far the "lesbo" harrasement was, but i must say i felt the hetro "harrassement" whilst playing ME2. It was really uneasy when Tali,Liara,Jack all wanted some sheploo, it made me feel uneasy.

I often flirt in real life, but i make sure to have it come over as half-joking, you can't do that in ME, people try to digi-hump you for the smallest attention you give them.


An effective method would be to be able to select your sexual preference: Hetro/Gay/[no romance]

[Russalka]

Stop being so damn attractive then, Volus.

[MedhiaNox]

@Volus Warlord: Same reason people have any other form of addiction - because it's easier than dealing with their problems? Problems they likely made themselves - but are too cowardly to accept?

And I'm not sure what "really" happened at your school - but if you were harassed by these dangerous gay predators... then your reaction was perfect.

NOBODY should make repeated forward advances toward someone after being told "No".

But - that really doesn't happen in Mass Effect 3.

[The Executioner]

First the OP's post is a lie imo. Most straight males if not all will pick Ashley so i'm not buying his arguements or those of you that agree with him. There are two male gay romances out of 9 total romance options this arguement that BioWare is somehow forcing this on you is a complete fabrication and factually incorrect. This is about an anti-gay crusade by the OP and the people that agree with him.

[The Big Nothing]

That whole Steve situation was weird. My Shepard had an attitude like, "Okay, Steve," but Steve acts like we had a real heart-to-heart that ended with a long, lingering stare. And suddenly, innocent statements from him seemed sultry.

"Anything for you, Commander."

I wanted to respond, "Don't say **** like that to me, Steve." I listen to all of my crew. I even changed the robo-dog's batteries, but you don't see him humping my leg.

And even if my Shepard were gay, he wouldn't bang a sissy like Steve Cortez.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 12 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[LoneSpektre]

Every species, race and sexual orientation wants a piece of the Shep.

[Volus Warlord]

The Executioner wrote...
This is about an anti-gay crusade by the OP and the people that agree with him.

Wow, you hit the nail on the head. I mean, we put on our armor and burn rainbow flags and ...


Get over yourself. 

[melisma]

azerSheppard wrote...
As i barely play any femshep, (because i can better role-play as a male character, being male in real life), I don't know how far the "lesbo" harrasement was, but i must say i felt the hetro "harrassement" whilst playing ME2. It was really uneasy when Tali,Liara,Jack all wanted some sheploo, it made me feel uneasy.

I didn't notice any lesbo 'harrassment' really. I romanced Liara so I'm not sure what happens if you turn her down but you can have dinner with Kelly and don't have to follow through with a relationship, you can play chess with Sam and just be friends with no hint of a romantic relationship at all, you can tell Chobot that you don't like her in that way and she tells you that she didn't mean it like that anyway. 

On the other hand, Kaidan keeps pressing his suit with femshep even though I turned him down in ME1. Take the hint!

[azerSheppard]

The Executioner wrote...

First the OP's post is a lie imo. Most straight males if not all will pick Ashley so i'm not buying his arguements or those of you that agree with him. There are two male gay romances out of 9 total romance options this arguement that BioWare is somehow forcing this on you is a complete fabrication and factually incorrect. This is about an anti-gay crusade by the OP and the people that agree with him.

I have over 30 ME1 saves, only 1 of them has Ashley saved, and that was my first save, i didn't completely know what i was doing.

Kaiden is far more INTERESTING, and shares my view on the galactic civilizations, whilst Ash>Xenophobe.

[gingerbill]

I think to many people are getting off track about what the OP was complaining about , and instead of reading are just turning it into an argument about whether they approve of gays or not.

i never liked kaidan so he isnt in any of my games but it would be completely silly if he starts hitting on you .

Modifié par gingerbill, 12 mars 2012 - 03:50 .