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[Grumpy Old Wizard]

BarnabyTheWarrior wrote...

RANT:
Why can't I play a fantasy role playing game anymore without 90% of the population hitting on me? Gays can do whatever they want, I don't care. In the real world a small percentage of people are gay, the likelyhood of somone being gay in an elite squad of soldiers is very small. Why isn't that reflected in video games anymore? When the hell did this happen?

Because "gay rights" groups pressure game companies and call them homophobic if they don't make the majority of the characters gay.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 12 mars 2012 - 10:03 .

[LegendaryBlade]

Successful Troll is Successful.

Also very transparent.

Stop responding people, now you're being silly.

[batlin]

Moondoggie wrote...

Lol it's a game. It's not a crystal ball looking into our future.

And any case the last 40,000 years were in the dark ages for the most part people were a bunch of God fearing loons scared of anything different. It's still the case in some parts of the world but changes over time. In the far future of Mass Effect with a united human world who knows what attitudes could change. Maybe in this future they allow gay people to be in the military and are less small minded about being hit on by gay people or the general existance of gay people working under the same roof as them.

But that's really moot since Mass Effect is fiction so the writers are free to make up any point. If in this universe they want to say they legalised relationships with Goldfish they can do. I'm sure the Krogan would be happy about that..

Sexuality isn't a social construct, it's a programmed one. Suffice to say that if in 40,000 years the vast majority of humans remain homosexual, a difference of 300 years won't have any effect whatsoever.

[BarnabyTheWarrior]

The Executioner wrote...

The OP has a problem with gay sex period end of story. Some people do some don't , but saying BioWare is somehow forcing you to play a gay character is just completly absurd wrong and reactionary. Gay people are here to stay like it or not so i would resolve myself to put my efforts into something that's actually properous OP because this isn't something you can change. BioWare is only giving people a choice the freedom to play the game there way and i support it 100%.

I certainly have a problem with myself having gay sex. I get emotionally
attatched to these characters including my own. I feel dirty after
accidentaly having my character i've been playing with for years hit on
his best in game buddy. I can't stop it, and being nice to the guy is a
rollarcoaster ride to gaytown. I play a paragon. Always have. Does that
make a character gay?

[Khavos]

The romances should've been ditched a long time ago. Shep's an N7 Marine on a pretty critical mission, captain of a Systems Alliance vessel, and a Spectre. What kind of Alliance UCMJ-breaking donkeycave sexually preys on his subordinates? I'd ask for an immediate transfer if I were under an Ashleymancing Shep; who's to say he won't leave me to die a fiery death 'cause I'm not banging him, just like Kaidan?

I'd probably still try to tap Miranda, though.

[BarnabyTheWarrior]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Successful Troll is Successful.

Also very transparent.

Stop responding people, now you're being silly.

This is a serious conversation, get out of here if you have nothing to contribute. This thread has progressed into something that the OP didn't intend to turn into. This issue is over too many peoples heads.

[Transgirlgamer]

@batlin You have 40000 years of verifiable evidence about human sexuality? Can I get a copy as it's something I'm interested in. If you haven't then please don't make claims that you can't back up.

I do have to wonder what people would say if any developer put a transgendered character in a major franchise like this though. Homosexuality is much more widely tolerated than transsexualism.

Oh and as my name suggests, yes, I'm transgendered. I'm also attracted to women which makes me a lesbian. I have no problem with straight relationships in games and I have only very minor concerns about trans people having no representation in games.

[Arkitekt]

Op, be very afraid. Gaydom is the future of reality! Muhuhohoahahahaaah!

[The Executioner]

BarnabyTheWarrior wrote...

The Executioner wrote...

The OP has a problem with gay sex period end of story. Some people do some don't , but saying BioWare is somehow forcing you to play a gay character is just completly absurd wrong and reactionary. Gay people are here to stay like it or not so i would resolve myself to put my efforts into something that's actually properous OP because this isn't something you can change. BioWare is only giving people a choice the freedom to play the game there way and i support it 100%.

I certainly have a problem with myself having gay sex. I get emotionally
attatched to these characters including my own. I feel dirty after
accidentaly having my character i've been playing with for years hit on
his best in game buddy. I can't stop it, and being nice to the guy is a
rollarcoaster ride to gaytown. I play a paragon. Always have. Does that
make a character gay?

  I don't buy it your using this game and this forum as a platform to further your anti-gay crusade well good luck with that buddy.

Modifié par The Executioner, 12 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[glitter_guld]

The amount of homosexual content in ME3 is Unrealistic and Disturbing. As an example, ALL relational background conversations you encounter are gay (or lesbian), without exception. The game feels bizarre for a standard player.

But, on the other hand, I distinctly remember a lot of noise of the forums to bring more and more and more gay and interspecies relationships, and hell, the romance with Garrus IS the best, by far. So, BioWare just fed us what we screamed about.

[Fredvdp]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Successful Troll is Successful.

Also very transparent.

Stop responding people, now you're being silly.

Careful there. A frequent poster on this forum recently got permabanned for calling a troll a troll.

[batlin]

Transgirlgamer wrote...

@batlin You have 40000 years of verifiable evidence about human sexuality? Can I get a copy as it's something I'm interested in. If you haven't then please don't make claims that you can't back up.

I do have to wonder what people would say if any developer put a transgendered character in a major franchise like this though. Homosexuality is much more widely tolerated than transsexualism.

Oh and as my name suggests, yes, I'm transgendered. I'm also attracted to women which makes me a lesbian. I have no problem with straight relationships in games and I have only very minor concerns about trans people having no representation in games.

I don't care what your particular sexual preference is or the gender you identify yourself by. I would have no problem with transsexuals appearing in this game so long as they were represented accurately; gays, however, are not and it being almost unavoidable to engage in a romantic relationship with a male Shepard unless you know beforehand what a paragon trigger entails is frustrating, as it would be with ANY configuration of genders. That's why there's a diconnect.

[philippe willaume]

BarnabyTheWarrior wrote...

RANT:
Why can't I play a fantasy role playing game anymore without 90% of the population hitting on me? Gays can do whatever they want, I don't care. In the real world a small percentage of people are gay, the likelyhood of somone being gay in an elite squad of soldiers is very small. Why isn't that reflected in video games anymore? When the hell did this happen?

I'm willing to talk this out if you're willing to listen BioWare.

The Spartans and the Sacred Legion of thebe disagree with your first statement.


philippe

Modifié par philippe willaume, 12 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[Michale_Jackson]

What did you think you were doing when you let Ashley die in ME1 OP? I'd say that was gay. If you played as a male Shepard, Kaiden was beggin for that suicide journey on Virmire, volunteering himself and then not even following your command.

If you didn't get the awkward scene on the Normandy in ME1 between you and Kaiden after Ashley died was awkward because ME1 lacked gay dialogue options then which would have been in full effect at this point since  as a male you chosed another male over a female.  

Modifié par Michale_Jackson, 12 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[Rabbi Satan]

Transgirlgamer wrote...
I do have to wonder what people would say if any developer put a transgendered character in a major franchise like this though.

Call for a boycott of the Girl Scouts, naturally.

[BarnabyTheWarrior]

The Executioner wrote...

BarnabyTheWarrior wrote...

The Executioner wrote...

The OP has a problem with gay sex period end of story. Some people do some don't , but saying BioWare is somehow forcing you to play a gay character is just completly absurd wrong and reactionary. Gay people are here to stay like it or not so i would resolve myself to put my efforts into something that's actually properous OP because this isn't something you can change. BioWare is only giving people a choice the freedom to play the game there way and i support it 100%.

I certainly have a problem with myself having gay sex. I get emotionally
attatched to these characters including my own. I feel dirty after
accidentaly having my character i've been playing with for years hit on
his best in game buddy. I can't stop it, and being nice to the guy is a
rollarcoaster ride to gaytown. I play a paragon. Always have. Does that
make a character gay?

  I don't buy it your using this game and this forum as a platform to further your anti-gay crusade well good luck with that buddy.

I'm definately not anti gay, reading the context of my posts I don't see why you would come up with that. However i'm not necessarily pro-gay as well. That isn't the point here; I'm under the impression that you are purposefully missentupreting my intent to make me look like a "bad guy". This isn't what this thread is about, if you aren't yet cognitively able to understand this then leave and let the adults talk.

[Kylamero]

Michale_Jackson wrote...

What did you think you were doing when you let Ashley die in ME1 OP? I'd say that was gay. If you played as a male Shepard, Kaiden was beggin for that suicide journey on Virmire, volunteering himself and then not even following your command.

If you didn't get the awkward scene on the Normandy in ME1 between you and Kaiden after Ashley died was awkward because ME1 lacked gay dialogue options then which would have been in full effect at this point since  as a male you chosed another male over a female.  

The guy has a point here, as a male gamer saving a man over a woman, i don't blame Kaidan for thinking your gay!

No but seriously it's not that big of a deal is it really? I assume you can turn him down if you don't want him.

[Arkitekt]

Thing is, I understand it becomes difficult for games to make ambiguity work well. IRL you can give little hints and nods to make your intentions sufficiently clear if the respondent is interested and sufficiently "ignorable" if you don't. ME3 game mechanics makes people confuse paragonian attitudes with sexuality, and I think there is where criticism resides.

I think that games could do better in conveying clear choices rather than confusing players.

[Michale_Jackson]

Silasqtx wrote...

The "paragon" interrupt almost made Shepard kiss Cortez. Luckily i alt-f4'd the **** in time.

Being nice to all crewmates =/= being gay, damnit.

sure it did, I think you knew what you were doing continuing to paragon an admittedly gay man.  

[BarnabyTheWarrior]

Arkitekt wrote...

Thing is, I understand it becomes difficult for games to make ambiguity work well. IRL you can give little hints and nods to make your intentions sufficiently clear if the respondent is interested and sufficiently "ignorable" if you don't. ME3 game mechanics makes people confuse paragonian attitudes with sexuality, and I think there is where criticism resides.

I think that games could do better in conveying clear choices rather than confusing players.

Wow.. You actually understand where my frusterations are. You hit the nail on the head. They implimented this sexual attraction thing so poorly in this game.

EDIT: *Paragon interrupt* NOOO!! Not again!

Modifié par BarnabyTheWarrior, 12 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[Kylamero]

Arkitekt wrote...

Thing is, I understand it becomes difficult for games to make ambiguity work well. IRL you can give little hints and nods to make your intentions sufficiently clear if the respondent is interested and sufficiently "ignorable" if you don't. ME3 game mechanics makes people confuse paragonian attitudes with sexuality, and I think there is where criticism resides.

I think that games could do better in conveying clear choices rather than confusing players.

How about we just save all the trouble and have a sexual orientation selector on the character creation menu, that way he won't have to worry about being hit on.

And actually think about the Asexual people. The amount of characters you would have to turn down in that case would be almost suicide inducing!

[glitter_guld]

That is a great idea, Kylamero. Pity that this ME game is the last, I feel.

[Farbautisonn]

philippe willaume wrote...
The Spartans and the Sacred Legion of thebe disagree with your first statement.


philippe

Might want to recheck that. Whilst alot of greek nation states did practice a sexualized version of the Agoge, the only contemporary source(s) denies this was the case for Spartans. In any case the erotic relationship of intermale relations were a cultural thing that was rather prevalent in that part of the world in its time. Expecting a military unit not to reflect the culture inwhich it is rooted, seems a bit.... strange. And whilst Sparta was greek, it was not a typical greek city state. Male relations would not inconcieveably be regarded as "wastefull" in a nation where high premium was placed on getting ablebodied (male) citizens.

[Transgirlgamer]

@batlin I never suggested that you did or would have a problem with transgender character, or my gender identity or sexuality, it jst seemed like a good idea to include that information at the time.

The only thing that you said that I have a problem with is your claim that human sexuality hasn't changed much in 40,000 years. The truth is we don't know anything about it for most of that time. I was merely asking you to not state as a fact something the you can't possibly know. Unless you do, in fact, have verifiable evidence in which case I was serious about wanting to see a copy.

Everything else you, or for that matter pretty much everyone else who has posted here, including me has said is your/their/my own opinions and you/they/I are/am entitled to them.