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[BarnabyTheWarrior]

Teddie Sage wrote...

BarnabyTheWarrior wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...
Exactly. Straight guys accept lesbian porn or romances but diss the man on man romances. Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. The world is changing, wether they like it or not. Adaptation is the keyword.

Actually lesbian "stuff" doesn't really do anything for me... -.-

It was just an exemple, sweetie.

Gross

Wow. Man up.

lol, I couldn't pass it up.

[Gespenst]

So I ran around the Normandy and while I may have miscounted I counted 21 men and 15 women (not including visiting dignitaries etc.). I included aliens with clear genders (i.e. Garus) but not those who are somewhat genderly ambiguous (Liara (asari may or may not count as women depending on how you look at it) and EDI (who's a computer but sounds like a woman)).

Of those there is one gay man, one bisexual man and one lesbian.

Sure is disproportionately gay in here.

[78stonewobble]

Teddie Sage wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...
Exactly. Straight guys accept lesbian porn or romances but diss the man on man romances. Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. The world is changing, wether they like it or not. Adaptation is the keyword.

Actually lesbian "stuff" doesn't really do anything for me... -.-

It was just an exemple, sweetie.

How R U doin?

Nah It just seemed like another generalisation and there are so many of those thrown around .

[Teddie Sage]

I know Stone. I apologize if it offended you. It wasn't my intention. lol

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

batlin wrote...

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

Instead, they're using shallow eroticism to attract the lowest common denominator of male and female consumers 

Women by and large aren't attracted to male/male relationships. Not like men are attracted to female/female.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 12 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[78stonewobble]

Teddie Sage wrote...

I know Stone. I apologize if it offended you. It wasn't my intention. lol

Would take a helluva lot more than that. ...

Ditching naked mole rats or... something.

[Teddie Sage]

Dave has a point. Yaoi is widely popular in Japan and in many parts of the world.

[batlin]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi

I said "by and large"

Incidentally, a lot of the gay relationships DO seem like yaoi fanfiction.

Modifié par batlin, 12 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Marcus Lee]

This issue doesn't bother me. The game doesn't force you to be gay, too.

[Khavos]

I'm just glad it doesn't force you to be Captain Creepy and go through with banging your subordinates. Enjoy getting fragged, guys.

[Yuqi]

Even the straightest pairing can, and will, be turned into Yaoi.

Modifié par Yuqi, 12 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[Harorrd]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

And Anderson in the only black guy in the galaxy

Jacob?

sorry i do not want him in my crew no racism intended

[vengerturtle]

Good lord it's Anders all over again, and Kaidan doesn't even get mad at you if you reject him like Anders did. Put on your big boy pants and get over it; the rest of the world deals with people they don't want hitting on them without having a freakout, you can as well.

[Punk4Real]

Yeah, I gotta agree. All this gay sh!t seems way too forced.

Modifié par Punk4Real, 12 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[suprhomre]

Because the universe is bisexual deal with it, especially in fiction worlds.

[Manny_619]

Vanity. My favorite sin.

[Ryzaki]

Silasqtx wrote...

The "paragon" interrupt almost made Shepard kiss Cortez. Luckily i alt-f4'd the **** in time.

Being nice to all crewmates =/= being gay, damnit.

*dies laughing*

I'm sorry but you must be a contender for darwin awards. You only get the kiss with Cortez after you've told him you like men, and you like him! And obvious choices are obvious and you have 3 chances to back out. :lol:

Oh god LMAO

How can people be so damn clueless?!? XD 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[ScotGaymer]

Ryzaki.

I wouldn't bother trying to talk sense into these people.

This thread is merely an example of heteronormative self-entitlement, and there is not a thing you can do or say to break them of their idiocy when it comes to this issue because of aforementioned self-entitlement.

Sadly.

I only read this thread because I vainly hoped that it was going to be constructive; a foolish hope I admit.
Someone send for the WooHammer!

[shin-zan]

Frankly, I think every romanceable character in an RPG should be bi, that way none is left out and the same content is available to everyone... At the same time, each romanceable character should have an alternative friendship path so just being nice and getting to know them doesn't automatically assume you want to bone them.

Complaining about the gay romances when the straight ones are the exact same is just hypocritical though. At least threat it as a learning experience, the discomfort you felt when Kaiden hit on you is pretty minor compared to what real life gay people go though every day.

Modifié par shin-zan, 12 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[Descy_]

Harorrd wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

And Anderson in the only black guy in the galaxy

Jacob?

sorry i do not want him in my crew no racism intended

We all know that Jacob is only pretending to be black.

[Transgirlgamer]

Good point Shin-zan. I wonder what this post would be like if Kaiden had lingered nearby obviously rubbing his crotch and staring at Sheppard then following him somewhere else until he got a flat out denial as has happened to me when I went out once IRL.

[kleindropper]

Everyone is gay in Fallout NV too, so I'm guessing there are some prominent video game writers/programmers who are gay and want their video game worlds to reflect their ideal of total gayness.

[philippe willaume]

Farbautisonn wrote...

philippe willaume wrote...
The Spartans and the Sacred Legion of thebe disagree with your first statement.


philippe

Might want to recheck that. Whilst alot of greek nation states did practice a sexualized version of the Agoge, the only contemporary source(s) denies this was the case for Spartans. In any case the erotic relationship of intermale relations were a cultural thing that was rather prevalent in that part of the world in its time. Expecting a military unit not to reflect the culture inwhich it is rooted, seems a bit.... strange. And whilst Sparta was greek, it was not a typical greek city state. Male relations would not inconcieveably be regarded as "wastefull" in a nation where high premium was placed on getting ablebodied (male) citizens.

well

I kind of did, you know.
 
I take you are referencing Aristotle who claim that the Spartan did not practice homosexuality and that was why the Spartan women had more power that every where else in Greece.
 
Plutarch and Xenophon do deny without doubt an institutionalised pederasty in Sparta (I.e. and older man having sex with and adolescent). This is not the same thing as homosexuality between consenting adults,.
 
The same Plutarch that slams homer’s Nestor for arranging his troops by tribe and not by making lovers fighting close to his lover.
Or it is not only the most warlike people who are the susceptible to this kind of love but the greatest of heroes of old as well.
 
The same Xenophon that complains about making homosexual relationship the sole basis of the formation as some cities does, say that the Spartan loved ones are such model of perfection that even when in camps with stranger the Spartans are ashamed to abandon their lovers.
 
According to the same Xenophon in fact homosexuality needs to be based on love and not on lust to be effective in battle.
 
Plato mentions that a warrior would rather suffer much death than seeing his beloved in peril.
 
 
In any case the scared band was Thebes’s elite troops and I mean Thebes the Greek city, not the Egyptian necropolis. When lead by Epaminondas (indisputably gay himself)  mullerer the Spartan at Leuctra, was composed exclusively of lovers and so where they refused to surrender to Philippe II of Macedonia.
 
Now we could argue when you are considered and adult in ancient Greece and the nature of the sexual intercourse. The last one being a loaded subject both with the actual meaning of the greek words at the time and the context in which homosexuality was considered at the time modern researchers published their book.
But clearly love for another man was a very military macho thing to do.
 
Phil
 

Modifié par philippe willaume, 12 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[Itkovian]

While I was surprised that Kaidan did seem to be bisexual, given tehre was no hint of it in ME1, I certainly don't mind it.

In a way it makes sense, considering there were already female bisexual characters (I know, Asari, but let's stop kidding ourselves here), so its not unexpected there by a male counterpart.

And personally I think it was rather well handled, including the Paragon dialogue options.

And the same goes with Cortez, a serious and mature homosexual character who is dealing with his own grief. It is definitely a breath of fresh air to see such a character included in a video game, as well as the "enlightened" way in which the dialogue does not shy around the issue or somehow make the homosexual character look unusual (no surprise from Shepard when Cortez says his husband is dead, only an expression of sympathy). That's good writing, and I'd say even bold writing. It's about time.

And really, people need to get a better understanding of Paragon conversation options. Paragon options are "good", "diplomatic", and "sensitive" (which it is varies with context). If you're having a heartfelt conversation with someone and pick a Paragon option, expect dialogue that is sensitive and shows empathy, and the same goes of interrupts.

That, however, does NOT mean it is a flirting option. Men don't have to be made of stoic granite in order to assert their heterosexuality, and neither does showing some sensitivity towards other men constitutes signs of homosexuality (at least in the more enlightened cultures).

Cortez' paragon interrupt is a perfect example: you can certainly wish to RP a stoic Shepard who supports Cortez' grief by simply being there, or you can RP a Shepard who make a physical show of support, but neither options have a bearing on your Shepards sexuality. THAT determination comes later on, and I believe is quite clear.

I for one appreciate Mass Effect 3 for actually having the depth to include all these RP options, and for the splendid writing that makes these options actually believable.

Thank you.

Itkovian

[philippe willaume]

Manny_619 wrote...

Vanity. My favorite sin.

stop playing the devil's advocate.