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[ognick23]

Zealuu wrote...

Jacob is the token black guy, James is the token hispanic guy. Ashley didn't say PENDEJO enough times to qualify. I swear, it's like I'm playing Mass Effect: Handy Manny sometimes.

Had Mass Effect been a 70s horror flick, Jacob would have died first.

well Ken Foree didnt die first in 78' Dawn of the dead, neither did Duane Jones in Night of the Living Dead in 68' lol just fun facts

[MalevoIence]

Im talking about Jacob is added to every meeting when you introduce a new person and says his two sense, usually being either rude comments or non important, and thinking to myself, why are you here? Why are you talking? Get the hell out of the conference room! With Vega, things he says is actually entertaining but both characters seem shoehorned into the game, and the fact many are saying it's good to have regular soldier guys in the game reinforces my point, they are just normal and threw into the story by shear luck. Jacob met Shepard accidentally on his way off station, Vega just tagged along with the one ship leading offworld... Frankly I would of liked Anderson to join me rather than the Vat grown human. And by affirmative action, I'm saying how their mannerisms stereotype them, and the two most shoehorned characters in Mass Effect

Modifié par MalevoIence, 12 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[NubXL]

I like Vega more than Jacob, but I'm not even sure why, to be honest. A lot of his dialogue makes me cringe.

[MajesticJazz]

MalevoIence wrote...

Im talking about Jacob is added to every meeting when you introduce a new person and says his two sense, usually being either rude comments or non important, and thinking to myself, why are you here? Why are you talking? Get the hell out of the conference room! With Vega, things he says is actually entertaining but both characters seem shoehorned into the game, and the fact many are saying it's good to have regular soldier guys in the game reinforces my point, they are just normal and threw into the story by shear luck. Jacob met Shepard accidentally on his way off station, Vega just tagged along with the one ship leading offworld... Frankly I would of liked Anderson to join me rather than the Vat grown human. And by affirmative action, I'm saying how their mannerisms stereotype them, and the two most shoehorned characters in Mass Effect

I have been reading your comments and it is clear that you do not like Jacob but that does not mean that EVERYONE else have to agree with you.

I found Tali VERY annoying ever since ME1 and have disliked her ever sense, however, she has the largest fanbase, probably next to Garrus.

Point is, you may not like James/Jacob so who cares? Do not use them in your squad. I am not big on Tali or EDI, but I am not creating a thread about it.

Oh, and how are Jacob and Vega sterotypes? Vega spoke Spanish and cooked a Spanish meal, so that is a stereotype? 

Jacob had bad relations with his father so that is a sterotype? I guess ONLY black men have bad relations with their father.

Jacob gets another woman pregnant, even when Female Shepard romances him, so that is a sterotype? Because we all know that only black men cheat on women.....

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 12 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[MalevoIence]

Never said everyone had to agree with me, when did I ever say that?  I jump down the throats of ppl who come in with an attitude, throwing down curse words as if they're discriptives.  Coming in defensively doesn't make for an entertaining discussion.  Not meaning yourself, but others I've seen to be a bit harsher with

Modifié par MalevoIence, 12 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[suprhomre]

I like James.

[MajesticJazz]

MalevoIence wrote...

Never said everyone had to agree with me, when did I ever say that?

Please elaborate how James and Jacob are stereotypes....

I also find it distrubing how you throw in the notion of race and how they were only added in to be more diverse. 

MalevoIence wrote...

 Hate to say that affirmative action caused them to create some racial diversity in the game, but it almost seems that way doesn't it?

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 12 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[Bawseee]

aimlessgun wrote...

I pretty much disagree with everything in the original post. And what is the 'point'? What the hell does that even mean? Can you give me an example, like what's the point of Thane?

Thane was interesting because he was the only Drell that Shepard had a relationship with. He also had a lot of background stories, that, to me were interesting. Not only that, he is a badass assassin. 

In short...Thane was awesome. 

[android654]

Bawseee wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

I pretty much disagree with everything in the original post. And what is the 'point'? What the hell does that even mean? Can you give me an example, like what's the point of Thane?

Thane was interesting because he was the only Drell that Shepard had a relationship with. He also had a lot of background stories, that, to me were interesting. Not only that, he is a badass assassin. 

In short...Thane was awesome. 

He and his son are the only drell we've met when he was introduced.

So what if he's an assassin? You were recruiting for a paramilitary mission and his concentration is in sabotage and guerilla tactics, he's the polar opposite of what you needed for ME2's SM. From a logical perspective he was superfluous.

Nice racism OP, I could practically smell it coming off of you from my pc.

[Bawseee]

android654 wrote...

Bawseee wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

I pretty much disagree with everything in the original post. And what is the 'point'? What the hell does that even mean? Can you give me an example, like what's the point of Thane?

Thane was interesting because he was the only Drell that Shepard had a relationship with. He also had a lot of background stories, that, to me were interesting. Not only that, he is a badass assassin. 

In short...Thane was awesome. 

So what if he's an assassin?

Makes him more interesting than a brute soldier or a random biotic sidekick. 

[MajesticJazz]

Bawseee wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

I pretty much disagree with everything in the original post. And what is the 'point'? What the hell does that even mean? Can you give me an example, like what's the point of Thane?

Thane was interesting because he was the only Drell that Shepard had a relationship with. He also had a lot of background stories, that, to me were interesting. Not only that, he is a badass assassin. 

In short...Thane was awesome. 

And I can say the same thing about Jacob.

I find it interesting about Jacob how he is a man who just wants to do the right thing. He left the Alliance because he felt that they were too caught up in political BS and not wanting to be direct so he joined Cerberus [probably was naive] because he felt that they got results and were more about taking action and not politics. However, by the time he runs into Shepard, he is having doubts about that [joining Cerberus]. I found this very interesting about him because it stirred up something that was very "human" in him. A very conflicted person who only wants the best but it seems like no matter what avenue he takes, there is always a "catch". So by the time we get to ME3, it seems like he finally found that closure, he is helping a band of Ex-Cerberus and their families live lives of saftey and comfort. He has settled down with a respectable female and is going to be a father. He then goes on to say how he wants to be a better father than what he had which again, makes him very human.

Now again, this is just why I like him but I understand that there are 100 of other reasons why others dislike him and thats fine. To me, Jacob while can be annoying at times because he doesn't like to "open up" to me in ME2 was a character that is basically trying to find his own path/purpose in life which is a theme for a lot of ME2 characters in ME3.

[MajesticJazz]

android654 wrote...


Nice racism OP, I could practically smell it coming off of you from my pc.

I wouldn't say that his comments were "racist" in the modern sense but it was disturbing which is why I am still awaiting his response as to how Vega and Jacob were stereotypes and why he believes they were only added in their because they were black/hispanic.

[MalevoIence]

Its the fact of how they were added, they were just..... there. If you went around Jacob and let him fight the robots on his own, no biggy. Or left James on the planet like he wanted.... wouldn't really matter much.  Im pretty sure I explained their stereotypical mannerisms and phrases.  One can only be called Loco so many times

Modifié par MalevoIence, 12 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[nicethugbert]

Jacob is the one whose goodness and simplicity form a force of will that shields him from all the bad events in his life. On this he can be depended on.

But, I guess that's not as exciting as tight leather and psychosis.

[Harorrd]

Jacob is the if not the worst and boring char in the crew list, I for once cant stand him, and have him termenated each time i´ve done a replay of ME2

[gauntz]

I think the people feeling the racial stereotypes are taken too far in ME3 have a point. The Mass Effect universe, which by canon has a very homogenous, globalised human race - many of the main characters; Udina, Anderson, Chakwas, Kaidan, Ashley, Adams represent what Americans refer to as "ethnic minorities", that is non-whites (depending on how you classify Hispanic people I guess.)

With Esteban and especially Vega throwing ethnic slang all over the place in ME3 it felt pretty tacky and unnecessary since the human characters were already very diverse. The same was true with Kasumi in ME2 though ("I like ramen!", "I'm cute, petite and Japanese!"), who was also very jarring.

All in all though, the "normal" Alliance humans felt very boring in the entire series. Zaeed and Miranda break from the norm by being respectively a human krogan and a genetically enhanced femmefatale, but it's no coincidence that Ashley, Kaidan, Vega and Jacob are probably the least liked characters in the games.

Modifié par gauntz, 12 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Zanath]

Jacob was okay, I rather like him.

James... I just don't know why he's here. He seems like someone we know, but I certainly never saw him before, and I don't have any idea from where he came nor what he's supposed to be.
He was just "this latino in the hangar" for the whole game.

Modifié par Zanath, 12 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[lyssalu]

jacob is actually a pretty awesome character and was a romance option in me2, though i agree that they shouldn't have included him at all given that his actual inclusion was somehow worse.

and as much as i like vega, it really wasn't necessary to add new characters when we had so many from me2 and when gathering them was the ENTIRE POINT OF THAT FREAKING GAME

[lyssalu]

gauntz wrote...

I think the people feeling the racial stereotypes are taken too far in ME3 have a point. The Mass Effect universe, which by canon has a very homogenous, globalised human race - many of the main characters; Udina, Anderson, Chakwas, Kaidan, Ashley, Adams represent what Americans refer to as "ethnic minorities", that is non-whites (depending on how you classify Hispanic people I guess.)

With Esteban and especially Vega throwing ethnic slang all over the place in ME3 it felt pretty tacky and unnecessary since the human characters were already very diverse. The same was true with Kasumi in ME2 though ("I like ramen!", "I'm cute, petite and Japanese!"), who was also very jarring.

All in all though, the "normal" Alliance humans felt very boring in the entire series. Zaeed and Miranda break from the norm by being respectively a human krogan and a genetically enhanced femmefatale, but it's no coincidence that Ashley, Kaidan, Vega and Jacob are probably the least liked characters in the games.

don't forget how in me2 jacob's father founded a rape colony........................

#bioware

[MajesticJazz]

MalevoIence wrote...

Its the fact of how they were added, they were just..... there. If you went around Jacob and let him fight the robots on his own, no biggy. Or left James on the planet like he wanted.... wouldn't really matter much.

That still doesn't answer the question as to how you believe their race [black/hispanic] played any role in them being squadmates in ME2 and ME3 perspectively. 

[OMTING52601]

I honestly never even looked at either Vega or Jacob as anything other than characters introduced to cover a spot left by another for combat purposes. In short, Jacob offered biotics to balance out the loss of Liara(with Miranda). Vega offered up some good tanking to balance out the loss of a Krogan.

I'm not saying I failed to notice their races, but I never gave that any weight. I mean, when there are so many other species to be finding out about, humans just aren't all that interesting.

[PrinceLionheart]

MalevoIence wrote...

Its the fact of how they were added, they were just..... there. If you went around Jacob and let him fight the robots on his own, no biggy. Or left James on the planet like he wanted.... wouldn't really matter much.

Based on your simplified explanation, what's the point of any of the squadmates. When it comes down to it, they all fit stereotypes; Garrus is the typical Bromance, Miranda is an icequeen, Jack is the blood knight. 

[Dessalines]

MajesticJazz wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

Its the fact of how they were added, they were just..... there. If you went around Jacob and let him fight the robots on his own, no biggy. Or left James on the planet like he wanted.... wouldn't really matter much.

That still doesn't answer the question as to how you believe their race [black/hispanic] played any role in them being squadmates in ME2 and ME3 perspectively. 

I mean there are a lot of characters that it would not matter in the game if it did not bother with them. You don't even have to recruit both Thane and Samara if you recruited Zaeed and Kitsume. You don't have to recruit Zaeed and Kitsume.at all. I mean there is one thing to say you think the character is boring, but to say there were added because of affirmative action is a offensive.
!) It is game in which you can play a black, female, hispanic, and asian shepard, so I do not understand having one of your crew members be members of different culture is part of affirmative action.
2) There is no racial quota system in video games.  At our last "secret people of color" meeting we decided to table launching protest against video game industries for lack of representation, until the next-gen systems were out.
3) Right now, there is more people of color in the world. This game takes place in the future, you should see a lot of people of color walking around.
4) Being a vet, I actually like characters with a military background over Miranda who reminds me of a James Bond sidekick, but with Daddy issues..
5) I suggest take two Octavia E Butler books and call me in the morning.

Modifié par Dessalines, 12 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[lyssalu]

Dessalines wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

MalevoIence wrote...

Its the fact of how they were added, they were just..... there. If you went around Jacob and let him fight the robots on his own, no biggy. Or left James on the planet like he wanted.... wouldn't really matter much.

That still doesn't answer the question as to how you believe their race [black/hispanic] played any role in them being squadmates in ME2 and ME3 perspectively. 

I mean there are a lot of characters that it would not matter in the game if it did not bother with them. You don't even have to recruit both Thane and Samara if you recruited Zaeed and Kitsume. You don't have to recruit Zaeed and Kitsume.at all. I mean there is one thing to say you think the character is boring, but to say there were added because of affirmative action is a offensive.
!) It is game in which you can play a black, female, hispanic, and asian shepard, so I do not understand having one of your crew members be members of different culture is part of affirmative action.
2) There is no racial quota system in video games.  At our last "secret people of color" meeting we decided to table launching protest against video game industries for lack of representation, until the next-gen systems were out.
3) Right now, there is more people of color in the world. This game takes place in the future, you should see a lot of people of color walking around.
4) Being a vet, I actually like characters with a military background over Miranda who reminds me of a James Bond sidekick, but with Daddy issues..
5) I suggest take two Octavia E Butler books and call me in the morning.

yep, all of this

and it's stupid how white washed mass effect was to begin with

there should have been more PoC, given that they adopted the theory that white people will be pretty much gone by the time this takes place -- not sure why they'd include that as a part of their canon and then have most of the important characters be about as white bread as you can get?  but there it is

lol and people are complaining about minority characters

i can't even take this thread seriously

[KMYash]

Whelp Kaidan is my favorite character and Vega is quickly climbing the ranks for me. D:

Also I know people who come from different cultures that don't express it AT ALL 95% of the time, but when they get together with other people that come from the same culture and background it becomes a fest of whatever culture/language they're from. It's not to shove it in people's faces but kind of a comfort thing, camaraderie. This is obviously just in the case of Vega's chats with Cortez.