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[BaladasDemnevanni]

joshuam168 wrote...

I am not the only one imagining reasons. Who said the reapers built the catalyst? And you directly contradict yourself why would the reapers build something that exerts complete and total control over them?  And we are supposed to imagine reasons otherwise bioware would have had the catalyst tell us every single answer to all questions, but instead they left it up to debate.

No, that's your own imaginary explanation for why they didn't do their job, which was to provide exposition on how the story ends. The Catalyst itself controls the Reapers. The Catalyst itself directs the Reapers to exterminate all life in the galaxy. For some odd reason though, the Catalyst did not choose to give itself the ability to open up the dark space relay. If I'm imagining reasons to explain the logic of events, then the story has failed.

Also in the cut scene we are shown a reaper "horde" that does not end within the camera scope, therfore yes an implication.

Implications nothing. Point me to the existence of these thousands of Reapers you are imagining. The camera does not imply "thousands of Reapers". It shows the Reaper threat and builds hype for ME3.

Yes the lesser can be destroyed but with their firepower IF there is even an equal number of destroyer they could take out the entire galactic fleet on their own most likely. And yes that is an assumption on their numbers but so would saying that there isnt that many.  And you again draw on assumption by saying that the reapers have NEVER faced a united galactic society, where is that said? The only cycles definitively talked about are this one and the protheans. Most of your "plot holes" you bring forth are assumptions.

Where are these other previous galaxies united against the Reapers? The purpose behind the Citadel trap is that it prevents any kind of interaction between organics. So other galactic societies managed to unite, yet the Reapers still didn't think to modify their Citadel Trap in some capacity? The narrative, as written, hinges on Shepard having come farther than anyone else to stop them. No one makes mention of these other galactic societies. They're entirely made up, far as the story presents it.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 12 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[rvgifford]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Never have I had goosebumps reading. This is how it should have ended.

Wow. Just wow, right there with you. I don't see how Bioware doesn't realize the endings as is are fail. This is pass, especially the ending, SEEING the results of your decisions. Kudos.

[Tequila Man]

Has been said, but...

This is how ME3 ended. I will pay money for Bioware to do this.

[HeavenStar]

I totally support this ending. Bioware could expand on this (with credits to Akris, of course). Heck, maybe they should pay Akris to work for them!

Although, like many others, I would like my happy ending as well if I have maximum war assets

[Barelymediocre]

Great efford and this is how I kinda imagined how Mass Effect 3 could have ended.

[anexanhume]

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Can't say I like the fourth option. It implies the Reapers can be defeated through conventional means. That would reduce from the cosmic menace they are to mere enemies. I also dislike the insinuation that Synthesis means everyone becomes like Husks. That's clearly not what is intended.

The extended dialogue in the other parts is good though.

They can. You saw the maw killing the Reaper destroyer and the flotilla armada blewing up one as well tons of dead Reapers above Earth. The Reapers simple can make more damage and resist more damage. Also, the Child could just be Harbringer mind raping Shepard forcing to help the Reapers. (what i think i'ts true).  Also, this would be a super epic conclusion. Very good ending indeed, how couldn't Bioware think on that?

Plus in ME1 they were able to defeat Sovereign through conventional means (IE bombarding it with heavy gun fire).

And like you said, a reaper on Tuchunka was defeated by the mother of all Thresher Maws and a reaper on Rannoch was defeated by the flotilla. The Reapers never easily went down, but it has been proven that they can be defeated by conventional means. It just takes a lot of effort to do so.

Sovereign was 1 dreadnought class reaper. It took the entire fleet to take him out. The reapers on Ronnoch and Tuchanka were "small" repears, only hundres of meters tall, not 2km tall, and they still took multiple types of assault to defeat.

With earth, you're talking about hundreds, if not thousands, of reaper dreadnoughts against a force that is only tens of times the size of the force at the citadel for Sovereign. It's just not possible through conventional means, as dead civilization after dead civilization proves out.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

This is amazing, and i hope bioware pays attention. But let us battle harbinger after he transforms and give us an epic boss battle to end and epic series.

[docsteely]

Excellent!! This is it! Kudos to Arkis for taking a piece of s***t and transforming it into something that anyone could have lived with!

[joshuam168]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

joshuam168 wrote...

I am not the only one imagining reasons. Who said the reapers built the catalyst? And you directly contradict yourself why would the reapers build something that exerts complete and total control over them?  And we are supposed to imagine reasons otherwise bioware would have had the catalyst tell us every single answer to all questions, but instead they left it up to debate.

No, that's your own imaginary explanation for why they didn't do their job, which was to provide exposition on how the story ends. The Catalyst itself controls the Reapers. The Catalyst itself directs the Reapers to exterminate all life in the galaxy. For some odd reason though, the Catalyst did not choose to give itself the ability to open up the dark space relay. If I'm imagining reasons to explain the logic of events, then the story has failed.

But again you imagine the catalyst has complete and total control over the citadel. No where is that ever said. It is said that the citadel is part of him. Our digestive tract is part of us but we have no control over whether it works or not. YOU imply he has control. He merely said it was part of him.

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

joshuam168 wrote...
Yes the lesser can be destroyed but with their firepower IF there is even an equal number of destroyer they could take out the entire galactic fleet on their own most likely. And yes that is an assumption on their numbers but so would saying that there isnt that many.  And you again draw on assumption by saying that the reapers have NEVER faced a united galactic society, where is that said? The only cycles definitively talked about are this one and the protheans. Most of your "plot holes" you bring forth are assumptions.

Where are these other previous galaxies united against the Reapers? The purpose behind the Citadel trap is that it prevents any kind of interaction between organics. So other galactic societies managed to unite, yet the Reapers still didn't think to modify their Citadel Trap in some capacity? The narrative, as written, hinges on Shepard having come farther than anyone else to stop them. No one makes mention of these other galactic societies. They're entirely made up, far as the story presents it.

I'm not saying there were previous galactic societies that united, i said how do you know that there weren't any? You ASSUME there weren't. 

Yes javik mentions the cycle before his and the name of the aliens residing in it, so it is made mention of.  And no the other societys are also mentioned in the codex entry about the reapers being made of them. And you again assume that the reapers never modified the citadel trap.  Where is that said? It is never said they do but is also never said they don't. You keep making assumptions to justify your previous assumptions.

Modifié par joshuam168, 12 mars 2012 - 05:33 .

[Arisugawa]

Good job writing this.

[ticklefist]

Well that was a lot better than I expected.

[Tzupi88]

Keeps as much of the existing content as possible and solves all issues. The ending ME3 deserves, even if it is never implemented by Bioware. Became my new headcanon an hour ago and I'm already feeling better.

[cubicu07]

bravo! well written.

[HeyUder]

I liked it a lot. But the end part with how to truly disrupt / defeat the Reapers is what gets me. I know that the entire galaxy is allied this time, but ME3 takes place over a few months. The Protheans, a very mighty galactic force (albeit not truly allied with their subersvients) fought them for CENTURIES.

That last part is why I have been struggling internally with the color choices and the need for an ending like this one - closure. This closure brings an immediate satisfaction, a sort of feel-good short term solution, but is it realistic? I do think the Reapers are right that we will inevitably develop into our own destruction (just look at reality, and how any one singular **** up by some crazy dude could send the world into nuclear warfare. Look at the krogan. Look at the turians/salarians response to the krogan.) I don't know about the synthetic part of it, I can see why their immortality would be an issue, but it's more to do with organic violence IMO.

Say we beat the Reapers, and didn't destroy the relays. For centuries, I'm sure that the races could coexist. But eventually I get the feeling the krogan would rebel. Generations would start to forget the COLLECTIVE victory we all had, at that moment. People tend to forget things over time, and things become lost to memory or twisted.

The destruction of the relays is, in the short term, incredibly dissatisfying and hard to watch. Shepard dying is equally as hard to endure. Thinking how entire fleets are stranded, and short term violence is likely is even harder to think about. But if there is one thing that the lack of Reaper tech / relays will now show for organics, it would be that IF they survive that period, they can start to make themselves how THEY would make themselves. Not based on Reaper tech.

That's my explanation for the ending as it is. All of that said, I would LOVE for that to be a 4th option - to take your chances. Absolutely, 100%. I am not against that at all. And I love that the child transforms to Harbinger, which is a nod to the very coherent indoctrination / hallucination theory.

[Lestatman]

well written. a lot better that what we have in game.

[Darth Tulak Hord]

This is the amazing ending I was expecting to get. I would absolutely pay to have this fully realized in the game.

[Lothis]

A round of applause to this man! That ending is amazing, far better than what was presented to us. At least it would give us a sense of achievement and would be worthwhile for all the many...many...many hours dedicated to getting the perfect set of choices over the first two games to finally see it in action at the end in a truly epic galactic battle! Come on Bioware...do something about this let down that your fanbase is feeling right now

[sumo390]

This puts the Bioware ending to shame, that was a great job by the author

[DenisN]

I have decided for myself that this is how the game ended.

[MarchWaltz]

All bioware has to do is release a god-damn patch to fix it. That is it. All they have to do is own up to their mistake. Yes, we are angry at them, but the difference here is that if they own up to their mistakes, we will forgive them.

This is the ultimate decisions if they really do listen to their fans.

[Timeless-Strife]

To the top with you!

[Dominus]

I support this. I wasn't really depressed by the ending; However, this feels like a far more fleshed out ending to the game. Some of the first half of the dialogue is implied already and you can fill in the blanks from the original ending. The second half is a far more fulfilling direction. You're essentially submitting to the choices the starchild has laid out for you in the original, instead of carving out your own.

[saracen16]

I really like the ending right up to the part where it says that the Crucible isn't an option. I still think it is because you worked your ass off for the whole damn game to build it. Truth is, I'm more satisfied with the ending than I am disappointed with it. The biggest qualm I have about it is largely the lack of dialogue between Shepard and the Catalyst. OP expanded on it brilliantly, but as has been said before, BioWare isn't going to please everyone.

Besides, this is my Mass Effect 3 ending: I saved both the Quarians and the Geth, I cured the Krogan genophage, I didn't punch the reporter, I watched Thessia burn to a crisp, I spared Kaidan from getting killed needlessly in assassinating Udina, and... I controlled the Reapers. I've had my reasons, namely to exile them to as far away from the galaxy as possible forever so they and their tech may be undiscoverable and unusable.

The fact that BioWare made you care about those characters, that universe, that state of civilization and order only to wipe out that old order at the end... is pulling at your heart strings. Besides, you won't realize you care for something until you have it torn from your hands.

[TheInvicibleCandyBar]

@johannes1212
Loved it, exactly what my Shep woulda done. But does shep die in this ending? Or with enough readiness/reputation he/she lives?