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[Rocktel]

A lot of people seem to be yelling about this. But it's just not the case. The Reapers were able to spread from where the Alpha Relay used to be without the use of a Mass Relay. Travel without Relays is very possible, its just slower. It'll just take a couple years to cross the galaxy now until new relays can be built.

[Harorrd]

Did you play Me2 arrival?
Do you know what happends when a relay is desstroyed?
The entire system is destroyed in a super nova. and it was this super nova that destroyed the normandy

[Mixxer5]

Yep. Travelling without relays is possible. But you cannot fly if relay actually explodes so your ship is destroyed. On the other hand- there are no relays- how the hell Reapers were supposed to leave galaxy and come back to dark space?

[killnoob]

Harorrd wrote...

Did you play Me2 arrival?
Do you know what happends when a relay is desstroyed?
The entire system is destroyed in a super nova. and it was this super nova that destroyed the normandy

I'm perfectly willing to accept the destruction of the relays.

I'm also quite happy to accept relay not destroying a star system.

For all we know the crucible used up the relays' energy, thus destroying it without apparent explosions. It's not something that's as unbelievable as synthesis.

I  just don't understand why all three endings result the same thing and has almost the same end sequence.

I also dont understand why normandy has to crashland on some random planet.

Why?

Not only it doesn't bring the game any catharsis, but it's so completely unnecessary.

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[Rocktel]

The Relay was destroyed in a different way in Arrival, they crashed an asteroid into it which made the core unstable. In the ending the core just shut down and the relay collapsed.

As for fuel, it'll certainly take some time to get fuel lines set up again, but its not like there's no way to get it.

Modifié par Rocktel, 12 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[dreaming_raithe]

Fuel's ultimately the problem. The games established that FTL travel isn't viable for anything but nearby star systems. Some of the races might be able to make it home, but others, like the Quarians, who have to cross nearly the entire galaxy, probably can't.

[Alsuras]

Also it's worth noting that ships can't travel indefinitley at FTL speeds because they need to discharge their drive cores periodically, which requires a nearby planetary body. The risk of not reaching one in time would be too great.

[killnoob]

Rocktel wrote...

The Relay was destroyed in a different way in Arrival, they crashed an asteroid into it which made the core unstable. In the ending the core just shut down and the relay collapsed.

As for fuel, it'll certainly take some time to get fuel lines set up again, but its not like there's no way to get it.

agree.

You can travel to a star system with fuel depot and jump again using FTL.

Honestly that's not a big problem there.

Relay getting destroyed is not the main problem with the ending.

The problem lies with the variety.

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[Avissel]

killnoob wrote...
I'm also quite happy to accept relay not destroying a star system.

For all we know the crucible depleted the relays' energy, thus destroying it without apparent explosions.

Except that the video actaully does show the Sol Relay Explodeing after it sends out the energy wave.

[shep214]

yep that part of the ending cinematic shows the connect the dots on the galaxy map is the galaxy being destroyed by the explosions of the relays, everyone and everything is dead except for joker and whoever was on the normandy, now there will be mass effect: robinson crusoe

[Mixxer5]

And mass relay in ME3 gets hit by orange/blue/green beam. It even explodes as it would burn whole galaxy. Not a big deal heh?

[killnoob]

shep214 wrote...

yep that part of the ending cinematic shows the connect the dots on the galaxy map is the galaxy being destroyed by the explosions of the relays, everyone and everything is dead except for joker and whoever was on the normandy, now there will be mass effect: robinson crusoe

It doesn't show everyone being dead.

Just because it shines, and the relay break apart, doesn't mean it exploded.

Does a flashbang kills people?

No, but it sure as hell stunned the **** out of people.

Mass relay could be like a flash bang.

[Taleroth]

Avissel wrote...

Except that the video actaully does show the Sol Relay Explodeing after it sends out the energy wave.

Yes, it explodes. But it's not the same explosion as the Alpha relay.

[GreyhameBioware]

It may not doom it, but it certainly does set it back a large number of years and leaves all your allies with many years of travel to get back home. Grats, you united the galaxy only to make most of them wander around it for years on end while they try to return home.

Modifié par GreyhameBioware, 12 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[AlCord]

Alsuras wrote...

Also it's worth noting that ships can't travel indefinitley at FTL speeds because they need to discharge their drive cores periodically, which requires a nearby planetary body. The risk of not reaching one in time would be too great.

And. At the end every system was under Reaper control. So no fuel stations at these planets. So there must be first a tanker and so on on that planet. Rebuild infrastructure to hop to the next planet... YAY

[Mixxer5]

How do you know that you're flying in good direction to visit such star system? Between them is just deep space. And 99% of galaxy is unexplored. At least codex states so.

[Rocktel]

killnoob wrote...
agree.

You can travel to a star system with fuel depot and jump again using FTL.

Honestly that's not a big problem there.

Relay getting destroyed is not the main problem with the ending.

The problem lies with the variety.

Exactly, the lack of any meaningful difference. 10 secs of a cinematic isn't meaningful no matter what you put in it. And the lack of any sort of Epilogue to show how you affected the galaxy, and that only sad endings being available is completely uncharacteristic with the rest of the series.

Modifié par Rocktel, 12 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[killnoob]

Arcian wrote...

Alsuras wrote...

Also it's worth noting that ships can't travel indefinitley at FTL speeds because they need to discharge their drive cores periodically, which requires a nearby planetary body. The risk of not reaching one in time would be too great.

Dude, on average there's 4 light years between each neighboring star in the galaxy - 0,8 light years between stars in the core. An average ship can go 50 light years before needing to discharge. There's no "risk" of reaching one in time.

Seriously, if you people just read the damn lore, you wouldn't have these stupid questions in the first place.

+1

From a story point of view, destroying the relay is also perfectly reasonable.

Crucible is not introduced in ME1 or 2.

It is a deus ex machina created for the sole purpose of moving ME3 forward.

If we use it without any consequence, that wouldn't make sense.

But all three ending resulting the destruction of mass relay, and pretty much the death of Shepard really is too much.

people complaining about mass relays getting destroyed have no idea what's so wrong about the endings.

[Rocktel]

Mixxer5 wrote...

How do you know that you're flying in good direction to visit such star system? Between them is just deep space. And 99% of galaxy is unexplored. At least codex states so.

It should be easy to tell how close a planet is.

[killnoob]

Rocktel wrote...

killnoob wrote...
agree.

You can travel to a star system with fuel depot and jump again using FTL.

Honestly that's not a big problem there.

Relay getting destroyed is not the main problem with the ending.

The problem lies with the variety.

Exactly, the lack of any meaningful difference. 10 secs of a cinematic isn't meaningful no matter what you put in it. And the lack of any sort of Epilogue to show how you affected the galaxy, and that only sad endings being available in completely uncharacteristic with the rest of the series.

Glad to see someone who actually understands.

Welcome abroad :3

[Dilandau3000]

I still say the huge team of scientists gathered to build the Crucible will come up with a solution. But yeah, the destruction of the relays is not the problem with the ending.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 12 mars 2012 - 02:49 .

[killnoob]

Mixxer5 wrote...

How do you know that you're flying in good direction to visit such star system? Between them is just deep space. And 99% of galaxy is unexplored. At least codex states so.

Just because relays are destroyed, that don't mean the navigation system of all spaceships are destroyed.

Honestly mate, you're trying to pick bones from an egg and it's just not working.

[clonedoriginzero]

Harorrd wrote...

Did you play Me2 arrival?
Do you know what happends when a relay is desstroyed?
The entire system is destroyed in a super nova. and it was this super nova that destroyed the normandy

there was no super nova...
watch the arrival relay explosion. - (at 2:50)
now watch the ME3 relay explosion. - (at 2:00)

the ME3 explosion is a standard everyday explosion and the signal wave.
arrivals explosion is a super nova.
they are completely different and look nothing alike. saying the relays killed everything in all the systems is ridiculous.