Rocktel wrote...
Earth is fully capable of supporting 11 billion. It dosn't require dail imports. I don't think palaven does either.
Youmu wrote...
If the relays blew up like a supernova, instead of just being harmless pixie dust (that it is), the synthesis ending makes no sense. Why would Joker's eyes be green, the plants have circuitry and stuff? Obviously they were touched by the blast given off from the relays, yet they are okay.
majormajormmajor wrote...
Rocktel wrote...
Earth is fully capable of supporting 11 billion. It dosn't require dail imports. I don't think palaven does either.
Not it can't. The average estimate for this planet's maximum carrying capacity is around 10-15 billion- and this would be a marginal existence. Factor in ecological damage to Earth- if its anything like Palaven's we're seeing massive climate change- and its lower still.
The Angry One wrote...
Youmu wrote...
It's silly to assume that the relays "blow up" the same way they did in Arrival.
You can knock down a skyscraper in a way that it will collapse on itself. It can also be made to crash down in a way that it knocks down the neighboring block.
In one instance, the relay is doing it's thing, and someone tosses a giant rock on it. The thing blows up catastrophically. In the other instance, the Relay Daddy calls them all and says "sup, time to close down shop".
Even if they in both instances released the equal, massive amounts of energy, maybe it simply is shot through the relay, and a much less harmless pulse is released.
Except the pulse spreading process requires the relays to build up as much energy as possible to send the pulse to the next relay. They are specifically creating a condition where their cores will melt down and explode.I don't see why Reapers would devastate the entire galaxy just because their AI controlling method failed.
Yeah why would the genocidal murderers ever come up with a plan to kill everyone?Geth probably are much, much more than that after Legion uploads his stuff, tho.
They've always been. It's not as simple as my explanation but on a basic technological level, they are VIs.
Granted the Crucible isn't technology, but space magic.
clonedoriginzero wrote...
ok people. i'll link them AGAIN cus you dont understand.
here is arrival. where the relay does in fact, go supernova. - (around 2:30 is the actual explosion) notice the complete lack of any FIRE? or normal looking explosion?
alright! now lets look at the relay exploding in ME3. (around 2:05 is the explosion) notice the fiery explosion? (remember, the "shockwave" you see is actually the signal wave expanding out, not a supernova or even part of the explosion.)
the relays do not go supernova. you are wrong.
The Angry One wrote...
majormajormmajor wrote...
Rocktel wrote...
Earth is fully capable of supporting 11 billion. It dosn't require dail imports. I don't think palaven does either.
Not it can't. The average estimate for this planet's maximum carrying capacity is around 10-15 billion- and this would be a marginal existence. Factor in ecological damage to Earth- if its anything like Palaven's we're seeing massive climate change- and its lower still.
Earth is devastated anyway, to recover it will need imports, supplies and help from the galaxy.. which it no longer has access to.
And this is just in the control ending, in the other two endings Earth will be a nuclear wasteland for at least a few centuries.
it is SPECIFICALLY mentioned several times throughout the game, nuclear weapons are never used on earth.The Angry One wrote...
majormajormmajor wrote...
Rocktel wrote...
Earth is fully capable of supporting 11 billion. It dosn't require dail imports. I don't think palaven does either.
Not it can't. The average estimate for this planet's maximum carrying capacity is around 10-15 billion- and this would be a marginal existence. Factor in ecological damage to Earth- if its anything like Palaven's we're seeing massive climate change- and its lower still.
Earth is devastated anyway, to recover it will need imports, supplies and help from the galaxy.. which it no longer has access to.
And this is just in the control ending, in the other two endings Earth will be a nuclear wasteland for at least a few centuries.
The planet they land on is okay. It was touched by the pulse. Unless the relays first shoot of a "HAY REAPERS GO AWAY"-pulse followed by a deadly shockwave of utter doom (ie. trollin' the whole galaxy as their last act), the relay network shutting down isn't overtly lethal as to doom the civilization to certain death.The Angry One wrote...
Erm.. they were touched by the pulse in the relay transit. That's what caused them to crash in the first place.
Youmu wrote...
No way there was a single female Krogan there. They'll all be back on Tuchanka makin' babies.Nashiktal wrote...
If the krogan were cured their population will probably explode and outpace the other species, putting strains on already limited resources.
Tuchanka will be messed up tho, with massive population boom, and no supplies from offworld.
killnoob wrote...
Nashiktal wrote...
The turians, quarians, krogan, asari, salarians, batarians, rachni, and vorcba never get to see their home's ever again and are all stuck in the sol system and now have to compete for space and resources.
Quarians and turians will either have to work together to survive, or fight to the bitter end for single crumb of food. If the krogan were cured their population will probably explode and outpace the other species, putting strains on already limited resources.
In a desperate bid for survival all the species will have to hope for habitable planets within jumping distance, and when they do find it they will have to decide who gets what, and who shares what, especially since the system earth is in was stripped of easily obtainable resources long ago. (relied upon its colonies for resources)
Yay happy ending.
Obviously, you haven't been following this post.
And I sure as hell ain't gonna explain to you again why they're alive.
Modifié par Nashiktal, 12 mars 2012 - 04:26 .
Rocktel wrote...
First no Earth is no more damaged in the other two endings if you have enough war assets or destroyed the collector base.
Second, 11 billion is well below 15 billion and a lot of people are dead already. Life will go on.
Youmu wrote...
The planet they land on is okay. It was touched by the pulse. Unless the relays first shoot of a "HAY REAPERS GO AWAY"-pulse followed by a deadly shockwave of utter doom (ie. trollin' the whole galaxy as their last act), the relay network shutting down isn't overtly lethal as to doom the civilization to certain death.The Angry One wrote...
Erm.. they were touched by the pulse in the relay transit. That's what caused them to crash in the first place.
It'll end the current civilization as we know it (end of trade), but kill everyone? Nope.
Rocktel wrote...
First no Earth is no more damaged in the other two endings if you have enough war assets or destroyed the collector base.
Second, 11 billion is well below 15 billion and a lot of people are dead already. Life will go on.
Modifié par majormajormmajor, 12 mars 2012 - 04:27 .
it doesn't look any slower or more powerful at all, what are you talking about? its the same exact color and it appears to move at the same speed as well. im sorry that you're wrong, no reason to get mad.The Angry One wrote...
clonedoriginzero wrote...
ok people. i'll link them AGAIN cus you dont understand.
here is arrival. where the relay does in fact, go supernova. - (around 2:30 is the actual explosion) notice the complete lack of any FIRE? or normal looking explosion?
alright! now lets look at the relay exploding in ME3. (around 2:05 is the explosion) notice the fiery explosion? (remember, the "shockwave" you see is actually the signal wave expanding out, not a supernova or even part of the explosion.)
the relays do not go supernova. you are wrong.
Why does the shockwave from the relays look that much stronger than the semi transparent bubble from the Crucible that TRAVELS MUCH SLOWER?
Oh yeah. Because the shockwave from the relays are being augmented BY AN EXPLODING EEZO CORE.
Krogan lifespan is over a millenia tho, they probably can fly home if they build the necessary ships for the journey.Nashiktal wrote...
Ah good catch! So its quite the opposide, wrex and all the other krogan who have fought alongisde you will now all die. At least wrex has a child back at the homeworld I guess.
Yet they got pixie dust on them?The Angry One wrote...
The planet they landed on was obviously in a system with no relay. No relay = no nova.
Youmu wrote...
Krogan lifespan is over a millenia tho, they probably can fly home if they build the necessary ships for the journey.Nashiktal wrote...
Ah good catch! So its quite the opposide, wrex and all the other krogan who have fought alongisde you will now all die. At least wrex has a child back at the homeworld I guess.
clonedoriginzero wrote...
it is SPECIFICALLY mentioned several times throughout the game, nuclear weapons are never used on earth.The Angry One wrote...
majormajormmajor wrote...
Rocktel wrote...
Earth is fully capable of supporting 11 billion. It dosn't require dail imports. I don't think palaven does either.
Not it can't. The average estimate for this planet's maximum carrying capacity is around 10-15 billion- and this would be a marginal existence. Factor in ecological damage to Earth- if its anything like Palaven's we're seeing massive climate change- and its lower still.
Earth is devastated anyway, to recover it will need imports, supplies and help from the galaxy.. which it no longer has access to.
And this is just in the control ending, in the other two endings Earth will be a nuclear wasteland for at least a few centuries.
Photoshopped a stockphoto and stuck it on a frame claiming it to be a photo of Tali.
clonedoriginzero wrote...
it doesn't look any slower or more powerful at all, what are you talking about? its the same exact color and it appears to move at the same speed as well. im sorry that you're wrong, no reason to get mad.The Angry One wrote...
clonedoriginzero wrote...
ok people. i'll link them AGAIN cus you dont understand.
here is arrival. where the relay does in fact, go supernova. - (around 2:30 is the actual explosion) notice the complete lack of any FIRE? or normal looking explosion?
alright! now lets look at the relay exploding in ME3. (around 2:05 is the explosion) notice the fiery explosion? (remember, the "shockwave" you see is actually the signal wave expanding out, not a supernova or even part of the explosion.)
the relays do not go supernova. you are wrong.
Why does the shockwave from the relays look that much stronger than the semi transparent bubble from the Crucible that TRAVELS MUCH SLOWER?
Oh yeah. Because the shockwave from the relays are being augmented BY AN EXPLODING EEZO CORE.
but yeah, i love how you ignore the fact that its a fiery standard explosion in ME3, and in arrival its a supernova.
SUPER NOVAS DO NOT LOOK LIKE NORMAL EXPLOSIONS.
The Angry One wrote...
Nefelius wrote...
The only reason why don't you understan it is if are you opposing the facts just to oppose them, or you are a woman, thus you can't think logically.
Really? Really? Way to torpedo your own argument with such an idiotic statement.
Youmu wrote...
Yet they got pixie dust on them?The Angry One wrote...
The planet they landed on was obviously in a system with no relay. No relay = no nova.
Kmead15 wrote...
And you guys still haven't show how Arrival conclusively proves that when mass relays blow up, they always generate a supernova.
The Angry One wrote...
Youmu wrote...
Yet they got pixie dust on them?The Angry One wrote...
The planet they landed on was obviously in a system with no relay. No relay = no nova.
.... because of the pulse that hit them in the relay transit, did you read my post?
Moreover, the pulse has to hit all systems, even those without relays, or the whole exercise is even more pointless than it already is.
killnoob wrote...
You do realize this is all you assuming the worst right?
killnoob wrote...
And we've just told you a numerous time, shown you a numerous example where things "might" not be as bad as you think?
Are you seriously that depressed/angry about the ending?
the view of the whole galaxy? is that what you're talking about? when they show the signal bouncing around the relay network and then spreading out?The Angry One wrote...
clonedoriginzero wrote...
it doesn't look any slower or more powerful at all, what are you talking about? its the same exact color and it appears to move at the same speed as well. im sorry that you're wrong, no reason to get mad.The Angry One wrote...
clonedoriginzero wrote...
ok people. i'll link them AGAIN cus you dont understand.
here is arrival. where the relay does in fact, go supernova. - (around 2:30 is the actual explosion) notice the complete lack of any FIRE? or normal looking explosion?
alright! now lets look at the relay exploding in ME3. (around 2:05 is the explosion) notice the fiery explosion? (remember, the "shockwave" you see is actually the signal wave expanding out, not a supernova or even part of the explosion.)
the relays do not go supernova. you are wrong.
Why does the shockwave from the relays look that much stronger than the semi transparent bubble from the Crucible that TRAVELS MUCH SLOWER?
Oh yeah. Because the shockwave from the relays are being augmented BY AN EXPLODING EEZO CORE.
but yeah, i love how you ignore the fact that its a fiery standard explosion in ME3, and in arrival its a supernova.
SUPER NOVAS DO NOT LOOK LIKE NORMAL EXPLOSIONS.
The map explosions are far more "solid" and of course they are faster!
The bubble from the Crucible takes some seconds to reach Earth. The explosions on the map take that same time to spread across THE ENTIRE SYSTEM and beyond.
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