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[Youmu]

The Angry One wrote...
.... because of the pulse that hit them in the relay transit, did you read my post?
Moreover, the pulse has to hit all systems, even those without relays, or the whole exercise is even more pointless than it already is.

Which is my point. The planet got hit by pixie dust, yet the "OMG SUPERNOVA FROM RELAY" didn't destroy the planet.

Hell, even the fact that the planet is intact is a clear indicatation that the the galaxy isn't doomed. Even if the theoretical devastation was only limited to that system with the relay, on the grand scale of things, it doesn't matter that much. Sure, people die, but in the long run, a LOT more lives are saved due to no Reapers reapin' every 50k years.

Modifié par Youmu, 12 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[killnoob]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...
And you guys still haven't show how Arrival conclusively proves that when mass relays blow up, they always generate a supernova.

And your mob still hasn't shown how craploads of people aren't going to die from the loss of the relay network even if they don't blow up spectacularly

Errr. Yes we have.

1. FTL drive
2. Wreckage salvaging/ Fuel depot
3. War rations
4. temporal accomadations on Earth

We're not saying NO ONE is going to die.

Some people are gonna probably be unlucky enough to screw up somewhere without mass relay yes.

But it would not be the end of the entire galaxy.
And it would not necessarily means everybody is completely stranded and unable to anything.

You guys are assuming civilizations are mere flocks of sheep and don't know how to work their way around things when situation arises.
How many times has Shepard survived through seemly hopeless situations?
How many times has Shepard defeat the odds?

And he is only 1 person.

Why is it so hard for you to believe everyone could live without mass relays?

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[clonedoriginzero]

The Angry One wrote...

Rocktel wrote...

First no Earth is no more damaged in the other two endings if you have enough war assets or destroyed the collector base.

Second, 11 billion is well below 15 billion and a lot of people are dead already. Life will go on.

7 billion ton colony drop.

Seven. Billion. Ton. Colony. Drop.

again. what evidence do you have that this is going to happen? surface explosions? that means NOTHING. there is litterally nothing in the endings that suggests or even implies that hte citadel is fully destroyed or that it'll crash into earth.

stop making stuff up to demonize the endings.

[killnoob]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Rocktel wrote...

First no Earth is no more damaged in the other two endings if you have enough war assets or destroyed the collector base.

Second, 11 billion is well below 15 billion and a lot of people are dead already. Life will go on.

7 billion ton colony drop.

Seven. Billion. Ton. Colony. Drop.

again. what evidence do you have that this is going to happen? surface explosions? that means NOTHING. there is litterally nothing in the endings that suggests or even implies that hte citadel is fully destroyed or that it'll crash into earth.

stop making stuff up to demonize the endings.

Exactly.

We're not saying the endings are good.

What we are saying is:

They're terrible, completely retarded endings,

But not nearly as depressing as some of you made it out to be.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

Rocktel wrote...

A lot of people seem to be yelling about this. But it's just not the case. The Reapers were able to spread from where the Alpha Relay used to be without the use of a Mass Relay. Travel without Relays is very possible, its just slower. It'll just take a couple years to cross the galaxy now until new relays can be built.

...........O.K............

[Kmead15]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...
And you guys still haven't show how Arrival conclusively proves that when mass relays blow up, they always generate a supernova.

And your mob still hasn't shown how craploads of people aren't going to die from the loss of the relay network even if they don't blow up spectacularly

I never tried to say they wouldn't. I doubt it'll be on as large a scale as you describe, but there are going to be people starving and dying until they manage to get their act together. How many and for how long is impossible to say with the information given, but you're correct that it will likely happen at some scale. Sad, but oh well. We can't save everyone.

[Mixxer5]

It don't have to have any impact when hitting earth (but it can- in some endings). But mass relays explodes! They can't just stop exist they have to release energy they gathered from millions years.

[fyresai]

What about the Turian fleets trapped on Earth where they can't eat the food? Surely they don't have enough supplies to get back to their home worlds with their damaged ships and limited fuel capacities. I suppose they could borrow food from the Quarians, but could their liveships actually produce enough to support two populations like that? Even at FTL travel, it still takes a very, very long time to get from one place to another, and the Reapers had special technology that allowed them to travel rediculously fast without the relays. And...wouldn't the last relay on the network explode since it wouldn't have anywhere to direct all the energy it had received from the other relays?

Modifié par fyresai, 12 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[Youmu]

fyresai wrote...

What about the Turian fleets trapped on Earth where they can't eat the food? Surely they don't have enough supplies to get back to their home worlds with their damaged ships and limited fuel capacities. I suppose they could borrow food from the Quarians, but could their liveships actually produce enough to support two populations like that? Even at FTL travel, it still takes a very, very long time to get from one place to another, and the Reapers had special technology that allowed them to travel rediculously fast without the relays.

And that is assuming Quarians sent every single ship they had (including the liveships) to fight Reapers. Liveships are still extremely important for Quarians, they only regained their homeworld few days ago, they'd still be reliant on liveships providing food for few years while basic agriculture is being set up.

[killnoob]

Mixxer5 wrote...

It don't have to have any impact when hitting earth (but it can- in some endings). But mass relays explodes! They can't just stop exist they have to release energy they gathered from millions years.

Play the damn game.

Do you see the mass relay explode? yes.
Do you see the mass relay explode and destroy everyone? NO.

Where do the "destroy everyone" bit come from?

Assumption.

Why do you assume something like that?

You want better endings.

Why?

Because the current one sucks.

All these arguing, trying to prove that everyone died and there's no way anyone could survive without mass relay is completely unneccessary because others and myself have given countless examples of how people could deal with the loss of mass relay.

[Mixxer5]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Rocktel wrote...

First no Earth is no more damaged in the other two endings if you have enough war assets or destroyed the collector base.

Second, 11 billion is well below 15 billion and a lot of people are dead already. Life will go on.

7 billion ton colony drop.

Seven. Billion. Ton. Colony. Drop.

again. what evidence do you have that this is going to happen? surface explosions? that means NOTHING. there is litterally nothing in the endings that suggests or even implies that hte citadel is fully destroyed or that it'll crash into earth.

stop making stuff up to demonize the endings.

Citadel is impregnable under certain conditions. And that's really heavy piece of junk falling from the sky. Oh. Citadel is bigger than metheors that caused dinosaurs extinct. Actually- it don't have to be very big. Entering atmosphere and falling to ocean it makes big "flushhh". And we learn how to breath underwater or we die...

[killnoob]

fyresai wrote...

What about the Turian fleets trapped on Earth where they can't eat the food? Surely they don't have enough supplies to get back to their home worlds with their damaged ships and limited fuel capacities. I suppose they could borrow food from the Quarians, but could their liveships actually produce enough to support two populations like that? Even at FTL travel, it still takes a very, very long time to get from one place to another, and the Reapers had special technology that allowed them to travel rediculously fast without the relays. And...wouldn't the last relay on the network explode since it wouldn't have anywhere to direct all the energy it had received from the other relays?

Already explained.

Not gonna bother explaining again.

Next please.

[kramerfan86]

First off the Reapers have much faster FTL, secondlly there were still Relays, the actions in arrival simply forced them to FTL to the next system with a relay, not FTL all the way accross the galaxy.  There is a difference.

[killnoob]

Mixxer5 wrote...

clonedoriginzero wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Rocktel wrote...

First no Earth is no more damaged in the other two endings if you have enough war assets or destroyed the collector base.

Second, 11 billion is well below 15 billion and a lot of people are dead already. Life will go on.

7 billion ton colony drop.

Seven. Billion. Ton. Colony. Drop.

again. what evidence do you have that this is going to happen? surface explosions? that means NOTHING. there is litterally nothing in the endings that suggests or even implies that hte citadel is fully destroyed or that it'll crash into earth.

stop making stuff up to demonize the endings.

Citadel is impregnable under certain conditions. And that's really heavy piece of junk falling from the sky. Oh. Citadel is bigger than metheors that caused dinosaurs extinct. Actually- it don't have to be very big. Entering atmosphere and falling to ocean it makes big "flushhh". And we learn how to breath underwater or we die...

Once again, already explained.

Next.

[Youmu]

Mixxer5 wrote...

Citadel is impregnable under certain conditions. And that's really heavy piece of junk falling from the sky. Oh. Citadel is bigger than metheors that caused dinosaurs extinct. Actually- it don't have to be very big. Entering atmosphere and falling to ocean it makes big "flushhh". And we learn how to breath underwater or we die...

It wouldn't instantly fall on Earth. It'd take some time for it to fall down from the orbit, which would give plenty of time to cut the thing into smaller chunks if need be.

[deathscythe517]

I have the feeling arguing with you is like talking to my pet cat, it's pointless and makes me look like a moron. :I

[Kmead15]

fyresai wrote...

What about the Turian fleets trapped on Earth where they can't eat the food? Surely they don't have enough supplies to get back to their home worlds with their damaged ships and limited fuel capacities. I suppose they could borrow food from the Quarians, but could their liveships actually produce enough to support two populations like that? Even at FTL travel, it still takes a very, very long time to get from one place to another, and the Reapers had special technology that allowed them to travel rediculously fast without the relays.

Even if the liveships can't, they'd have enough of a stock that expanding their current production shouldn't be difficult. The only real issues come up if the Liveships were destroyed and no ship in the fleet has food supplies that come in seed form. Plant micropropagation is easy, especially since the Quarians would probably already have a good idea of what types of media works best.

[Mixxer5]

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

It don't have to have any impact when hitting earth (but it can- in some endings). But mass relays explodes! They can't just stop exist they have to release energy they gathered from millions years.

Play the damn game.

Do you see the mass relay explode? yes.
Do you see the mass relay explode and destroy everyone? NO.

Where do the "destroy everyone" bit come from?

Assumption.

Why do you assume something like that?

You want better endings.

Why?

Because the current one sucks.

All these arguing, trying to prove that everyone died and there's no way anyone could survive without mass relay is completely unneccessary because others and myself have given countless examples of how people could deal with the loss of mass relay.

I've played. I've finished all 3 ME. Do you see Reapers made? No. Does it mean they don't exist? Yeah, maybe- just maybe- those relays don't kill anybody. But it's just another proof that writer should lose his job. It seems that guy didn'y think about most obvious things.

[killnoob]

Youmu wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

Citadel is impregnable under certain conditions. And that's really heavy piece of junk falling from the sky. Oh. Citadel is bigger than metheors that caused dinosaurs extinct. Actually- it don't have to be very big. Entering atmosphere and falling to ocean it makes big "flushhh". And we learn how to breath underwater or we die...

It wouldn't instantly fall on Earth. It'd take some time for it to fall down from the orbit, which would give plenty of time to cut the thing into smaller chunks if need be.

I have already explained to them but they're not listening.

Seriously,

we have an entire motherfking fleet near Earth
Do people think they're just gonna stand around and do nothing when the citadel crush into Earth?
NO.

One of them is gonna think:

Why don't me blast it into smaller pieces so the atomsphere will burn them up?

Seriously, some people really lack the abilities to solve problems.

[clonedoriginzero]

Mixxer5 wrote...

clonedoriginzero wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Rocktel wrote...

First no Earth is no more damaged in the other two endings if you have enough war assets or destroyed the collector base.

Second, 11 billion is well below 15 billion and a lot of people are dead already. Life will go on.

7 billion ton colony drop.

Seven. Billion. Ton. Colony. Drop.

again. what evidence do you have that this is going to happen? surface explosions? that means NOTHING. there is litterally nothing in the endings that suggests or even implies that hte citadel is fully destroyed or that it'll crash into earth.

stop making stuff up to demonize the endings.

Citadel is impregnable under certain conditions. And that's really heavy piece of junk falling from the sky. Oh. Citadel is bigger than metheors that caused dinosaurs extinct. Actually- it don't have to be very big. Entering atmosphere and falling to ocean it makes big "flushhh". And we learn how to breath underwater or we die...

why is it falling from the sky? surface explosions? thats all you see happen to it. that would not cause it to crash into earth.

like we've said countless times.

please. for the love of god. actually read the thread. ive answered the whole "relays going supernova" thing half a dozen times and everyone just ignores it. ive answered the whole "citadel crashing into earth" thing tons of times.

[Mahrac]

Once again, we have no proof that they didn't go supernova, or at leats react violently, an we have an established canonical incident where a relay went supernova. Which seems more likely?

The citadel is DESIGNED to be unassailable by accellerator weapons. If ANY of the superstructure got blown towards Earth, it WILL hit.

Modifié par Mahrac, 12 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[majormajormmajor]

killnoob wrote...

Errr. Yes we have. - No you haven't

1. FTL drive - not fast enough to replace a resource distribution network already built on the relays. Imagine trying to support 140 million Japanese from North America using clippers and paddleboats instead of aircraft and oil-fired ships.
2. Wreckage salvaging/ Fuel depot - existing network of fuel depots have been severely damaged, fuel must now be burned in a FTL journey not involving relays, meaning fuel requirements for vessels shoot up dramatically
3. War rations- likely provisioned on the basis of there being lines of communication and supply based out of the relays- what they might be carrying on hand before the relays shut down might be insufficient. Best bet as some have said are the quarian liveships, which likely have surplus carrying capacity with most of the quarian population relocated to Rannoch, but how long before they can ramp up production to meet requirements of two fleets? People are going to die like fleas in the meantime
4. temporal accomadations on Earth- Earth is a shambles that is probably having problems of its own- problems that are only compounded with the relays being gone. Codex establishes that Earth is a net importer of a lot of things

killnoob wrote...
We're not saying NO ONE is going to die.

Some people are gonna probably be unlucky enough to screw up somewhere without mass relay yes.

Massively understating the numbers of people who will buy it.

killnoob wrote...
But it would not be the end of the entire galaxy.
And it would not necessarily means everybody is completely stranded and unable to anything.

Again- massively understating the catastrophe that will happen in the meantime as they sort things out.

killnoob wrote...
You guys are assuming civilizations are mere flocks of sheep and don't know how to work their way around things when situation arises.
How many times has Shepard survived through seemly hopeless situations?
How many times has Shepard defeat the odds?

And he is only 1 person.

And then the endings of ME3 happened

killnoob wrote...
Why is it so hard for you to believe everyone could live without mass relays?

Not everyone. We've already established lots of them are going to die, and the survivors will have to eke out an existence a good deal harder- and now with the relays gone, positively nightmarish.

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 12 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[killnoob]

Mixxer5 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

It don't have to have any impact when hitting earth (but it can- in some endings). But mass relays explodes! They can't just stop exist they have to release energy they gathered from millions years.

Play the damn game.

Do you see the mass relay explode? yes.
Do you see the mass relay explode and destroy everyone? NO.

Where do the "destroy everyone" bit come from?

Assumption.

Why do you assume something like that?

You want better endings.

Why?

Because the current one sucks.

All these arguing, trying to prove that everyone died and there's no way anyone could survive without mass relay is completely unneccessary because others and myself have given countless examples of how people could deal with the loss of mass relay.

I've played. I've finished all 3 ME. Do you see Reapers made? No. Does it mean they don't exist? Yeah, maybe- just maybe- those relays don't kill anybody. But it's just another proof that writer should lose his job. It seems that guy didn'y think about most obvious things.

Please explain the highlight gibberish I don't have time to decipher meaningless sentences.

[Arduous Wolf]

Take present day Earth with its planes, trains and auto-mobiles. Now imagine if suddenly they disappeared and were replaced with horse and cart. Now this would not spell the end of the Human race but it would have a devastating impact on our economies and population.

This can be applied to the Mass Effect universe. Sure civilization may not be doomed, but it is in a really bad situation and millions if not more will starve or die in civil wars.

Modifié par Arduous Wolf, 12 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[Linus108]

 Here are some posts from Reddit that bring up a good point about this:

1) In mass effect worlds evolve with either dextro or levo amino acid types.2) Members of one type can't eat food from a biosphere of the other type.3) Quarians and Turians are dextro amino acid based, humans are levo.4) In most (all?) endings the crew of the Normandy exits stranded on a jungle world. For instance in my ending it shows Joker, EDI, and Tali.Therefore, since the jungle will support only one amino acid type, we know that either Tali, Garrus, and other dextro based crew members will starve to death or joker and the human crew will starve to death.Q.E.D.

It gets worse if you consider that the vast majority of ships in service at that time are currently floating over Earth in some stage of disrepair. With the mass relays gone, those ships are pretty much stuck.That means that an amazingly large number of aliens will have to work out their differences and live on Earth together, a planet that is both in ruins, and mostly mined for all its resources. Many people will die very quickly, especially as the aliens of the wrong amino acid type can't eat anything on Earth, and must survive only on what little food they have on their ships.Now apply that to the whole galaxy. Wherever anyone is, that is where they are stuck. If food runs out, they starve. If there aren't compatible mates nearby, they die out (How many female Krogan went to Earth, for example).Regardless of your choice, you have doomed a large portion of the galaxy to death by starvation, war, or simply the lack fo the ability to reproduce.Even if the larger ships could pool their fuel and make a long journey, where are they going to go? Intergalactic trade (and, therefore, the economy) is ruined, the ruling bodies of government are worse than just in disarray, and communication has to be pretty shoddy in even the best of places.Life has to start over, and, with Stargazer as evidence, does. But a lot of people die between the end of the game and that throwaway scene.

And this isn't even taking into account what we saw in The Arrival, where systems that had the Mass Relays destroyed also got destroyed.

So if the ending we got was real, the writers didn't really think it through. 

Not sure why OP thinks it didn't doom most of society. It would have. 

Modifié par Linus108, 12 mars 2012 - 04:55 .