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[Mixxer5]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

clonedoriginzero wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Rocktel wrote...

First no Earth is no more damaged in the other two endings if you have enough war assets or destroyed the collector base.

Second, 11 billion is well below 15 billion and a lot of people are dead already. Life will go on.

7 billion ton colony drop.

Seven. Billion. Ton. Colony. Drop.

again. what evidence do you have that this is going to happen? surface explosions? that means NOTHING. there is litterally nothing in the endings that suggests or even implies that hte citadel is fully destroyed or that it'll crash into earth.

stop making stuff up to demonize the endings.

Citadel is impregnable under certain conditions. And that's really heavy piece of junk falling from the sky. Oh. Citadel is bigger than metheors that caused dinosaurs extinct. Actually- it don't have to be very big. Entering atmosphere and falling to ocean it makes big "flushhh". And we learn how to breath underwater or we die...

why is it falling from the sky? surface explosions? thats all you see happen to it. that would not cause it to crash into earth.

like we've said countless times.

please. for the love of god. actually read the thread. ive answered the whole "relays going supernova" thing half a dozen times and everyone just ignores it. ive answered the whole "citadel crashing into earth" thing tons of times.

Do You wanna tell me that it's just going to float away? Stay where it exploded? It seems that any anxiety about great metheor hitting Earth is totally stupid. 

How do You want to cut Citadel in pieces? It's not slow glide towards Earth surface. It's bilions tons falling from the sky. It can't end good. 

[majormajormmajor]

Arduous Wolf wrote...

Take present day Earth with its planes, trains and auto-mobiles. Now imagine if suddenly they disappeared and were replaced with horse and cart. Now this would not spell the end of the Human race but it would have a devastating impact on our economies and population.

A concept people seem to be having difficulty wrapping their heads around.

"BUT FTL WILL SOLVE EVERYTHINNNNNNNNNNNNG"

[GreyhameBioware]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Arduous Wolf wrote...

Take present day Earth with its planes, trains and auto-mobiles. Now imagine if suddenly they disappeared and were replaced with horse and cart. Now this would not spell the end of the Human race but it would have a devastating impact on our economies and population.

A concept people seem to be having difficulty wrapping their heads around.

"BUT FTL WILL SOLVE EVERYTHINNNNNNNNNNNNG"

Yeah I pointed that out a few times.  It seemed to be completely ignored.

[kramerfan86]

The citadel was believed to be near indestructible, what makes you think that the tattered remains of the fleets will be capable of doing any significant damage to one of the arms?

Modifié par kramerfan86, 12 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[kramerfan86]

Double post sorry

Modifié par kramerfan86, 12 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[Mahrac]

GreyhameBioware wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

Arduous Wolf wrote...

Take present day Earth with its planes, trains and auto-mobiles. Now imagine if suddenly they disappeared and were replaced with horse and cart. Now this would not spell the end of the Human race but it would have a devastating impact on our economies and population.

A concept people seem to be having difficulty wrapping their heads around.

"BUT FTL WILL SOLVE EVERYTHINNNNNNNNNNNNG"

Yeah I pointed that out a few times.  It seemed to be completely ignored.

No, we just say that FTL won't solve everything - it's too ineffecient, and it may not be possible to get anyone back to their planets, much ess everyone. We have also pointed out that most planets, probably all of them have been damaged by the Reapers. and Mass Effect tech (including FTL) is implied to no longer work

[Mixxer5]

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

It don't have to have any impact when hitting earth (but it can- in some endings). But mass relays explodes! They can't just stop exist they have to release energy they gathered from millions years.

Play the damn game.

Do you see the mass relay explode? yes.
Do you see the mass relay explode and destroy everyone? NO.

Where do the "destroy everyone" bit come from?

Assumption.

Why do you assume something like that?

You want better endings.

Why?

Because the current one sucks.

All these arguing, trying to prove that everyone died and there's no way anyone could survive without mass relay is completely unneccessary because others and myself have given countless examples of how people could deal with the loss of mass relay.

I've played. I've finished all 3 ME. Do you see Reapers made? No. Does it mean they don't exist? Yeah, maybe- just maybe- those relays don't kill anybody. But it's just another proof that writer should lose his job. It seems that guy didn'y think about most obvious things.

Please explain the highlight gibberish I don't have time to decipher meaningless sentences.

You tell that if I can't see something happened it don't have to happen. Anyone have seen Reapers made? No. But in ME we can see them as well as results of their hard "work". We don't see that exploding relays of course. But if something explodes it must've some impact. Even if not as big as in "Arrival"- something has exploded. Do You truly believe that nothing will happen due to that?

[killnoob]

[quote]majormajormmajor wrote...

[quote]killnoob wrote...

Errr. Yes we have. - No you havent'.

Err Yes we have

1. FTL drive -

FTL drive is NOT as primitive as peddleboat. Use better metaphor please.


2. Wreckage salvaging/ Fuel depot

retard arguements. There are wreckage on every star system in the game, and that's the system we can actually go to in the game. There are probably hundreds of hundreds more star system out there with salvagable wreckage thats' not in the game. Also, there are fuel depot. When was the last time when you try to buy fuel the depot says 'Warning, not enough fuel?

3. War rations

Already said Earth will have some to acoomadate tourist. Seriously, it's all there. But you didn't bother reading.

4. temporal accomadations on Earth

Which is why its temporal. If you don't read between the lines I'm not gonna make you.
[/quote]

First day of reaper attack. 3 million died.

Second day. 4 millions.

Mass Relay destroyed. 100 million died. No I'll give you some better numbers.
1 billion died.

Is that enough for you?
Well then, is the galaxy doomed?
No.

Because the galaxy holds more than 1 billion people.

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Navasha]

People seem to forget that the Matriarch bartender in ME2 was advocating the creation of their OWN mass relays. We also know that the Protheans created a mass relay with the conduit.

So just because the existing relay network goes down, it doesn't mean that the races of the galaxy can't start to build their own and have them up and running in a few decades.

[Mixxer5]

kramerfan86 wrote...

The citadel was believed to be near indestructible, what makes you think that the tattered remains of the fleets will be capable of doing any significant damage to one of the arms?

That's what I'm talking about, thanks for pointing it. It seems that to fragmentate citadel only great power is needed (Crucible+ Catalyst- never mind I hate both of them as they're irrational...). If allied fleets hardly can beat the one reaper... And now they must be at least bit "used". I don't see what can they do except helplesly watching.

[killnoob]

Mixxer5 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

It don't have to have any impact when hitting earth (but it can- in some endings). But mass relays explodes! They can't just stop exist they have to release energy they gathered from millions years.

Play the damn game.

Do you see the mass relay explode? yes.
Do you see the mass relay explode and destroy everyone? NO.

Where do the "destroy everyone" bit come from?

Assumption.

Why do you assume something like that?

You want better endings.

Why?

Because the current one sucks.

All these arguing, trying to prove that everyone died and there's no way anyone could survive without mass relay is completely unneccessary because others and myself have given countless examples of how people could deal with the loss of mass relay.

I've played. I've finished all 3 ME. Do you see Reapers made? No. Does it mean they don't exist? Yeah, maybe- just maybe- those relays don't kill anybody. But it's just another proof that writer should lose his job. It seems that guy didn'y think about most obvious things.

Please explain the highlight gibberish I don't have time to decipher meaningless sentences.

You tell that if I can't see something happened it don't have to happen. Anyone have seen Reapers made? No. But in ME we can see them as well as results of their hard "work". We don't see that exploding relays of course. But if something explodes it must've some impact. Even if not as big as in "Arrival"- something has exploded. Do You truly believe that nothing will happen due to that?

Right, so by your logic,

Just because you can't prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist, so that means he does?

Good luck trying to become a scientist.

[kramerfan86]

Navasha wrote...

People seem to forget that the Matriarch bartender in ME2 was advocating the creation of their OWN mass relays. We also know that the Protheans created a mass relay with the conduit.

So just because the existing relay network goes down, it doesn't mean that the races of the galaxy can't start to build their own and have them up and running in a few decades.

You'll also remember the matriarch says the other matriarchs laughed the blue off her ass when she suggested it so Id assume no significant progress was ever made.  Its a bit harder to reverse engineer the relays when you no longer have working ones to look at.  About the only hope for that is if they analyze the prothean ruins on mars some more and find the prothean's designs for one.  Considering the protheans wiped out all references to Ilos though I dont know if the blueprints for one of its projects would be in the archives anymore.

[killnoob]

Mixxer5 wrote...

kramerfan86 wrote...

The citadel was believed to be near indestructible, what makes you think that the tattered remains of the fleets will be capable of doing any significant damage to one of the arms?

That's what I'm talking about, thanks for pointing it. It seems that to fragmentate citadel only great power is needed (Crucible+ Catalyst- never mind I hate both of them as they're irrational...). If allied fleets hardly can beat the one reaper... And now they must be at least bit "used". I don't see what can they do except helplesly watching.

How about forcing it to change course with fire power?

Jesus christ you people seem to think there's only 1 solution to 1 problem.

And I sincerely doubt that you've played the game because the allied fleet is not fighting against 1 reaper but the entire reapers in general and they do pretty well considering they haven't been wiped out yet.

[Youmu]

Mixxer5 wrote...

That's what I'm talking about, thanks for pointing it. It seems that to fragmentate citadel only great power is needed (Crucible+ Catalyst- never mind I hate both of them as they're irrational...). If allied fleets hardly can beat the one reaper... And now they must be at least bit "used". I don't see what can they do except helplesly watching.

Bringing Down The Sky, Arrival.

Strap some fusion torches on the thing, fire it into the sun. (or just relocate it).

[Mahrac]

majormajormmajor wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Errr. Yes we have. - No you haven't

1. FTL drive - FTL drive is NOT as primitive peddleboat. Use better metaphor please.
2. Wreckage salvaging/ Fuel depot - retard arguements. There are wreckage on every star system in the game, and that's the system we can actually go to in the game. There are probably hundreds of hundreds more star system out there with salvagable wreckage. Also, there are fuel depot. When was the last time when you try to buy fuel the depot says 'Warning, not enough fuel?
3. War rations- Already said Earth will have some to acoomadate tourist. Seriously, it's all there. But you didn't bother reading.
4. temporal accomadations on Earth- Which is why its temporal. If you don't read between the lines I'm not gonna make you.

First day of reaper attack. 3 million died.

Second day. 4 millions.

Mass Relay destroyed. 100 million died. No I'll give you some better numbers.
1 billion died.

Is that enough for you?
Well then, is the galaxy doomed?
No.

Because the galaxy holds more than 1 billion people.

And more than 1 billion are dead. some colonies were compleatly whiped out, most are devastated.

FTL isn't a paddleboat, but it takes fuel that they don't have, more than they are likely to salvage, and more time than it would take to starve with a boatful of food

The fuel salvaged ingame wasn't enough to refuel a frigate compleatly, much less an armada

Earth has stores for tourists, alright. How much is left, how long will it be able to sustain the majority of the galxey's armies? answer - not much, maybe a week.

They could hole up on Earth, but it couldn't sustain them for long at all

Modifié par Mahrac, 12 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[Mixxer5]

Navasha wrote...

People seem to forget that the Matriarch bartender in ME2 was advocating the creation of their OWN mass relays. We also know that the Protheans created a mass relay with the conduit.

So just because the existing relay network goes down, it doesn't mean that the races of the galaxy can't start to build their own and have them up and running in a few decades.

Personally I think that building their own relays is more possible than staying alive after being hit by giant space station.

[killnoob]

Youmu wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

That's what I'm talking about, thanks for pointing it. It seems that to fragmentate citadel only great power is needed (Crucible+ Catalyst- never mind I hate both of them as they're irrational...). If allied fleets hardly can beat the one reaper... And now they must be at least bit "used". I don't see what can they do except helplesly watching.

Bringing Down The Sky, Arrival.

Strap some fusion torches on the thing, fire it into the sun. (or just relocate it).

There. Wasn't so hard trying to come up with other solutions right/

And we're just 2 or 3 gamers.

Imagine a fleet of experienced war generals watching.
Do you think they're gonna go

"OMG WHAT THE FK DO I DO  ITS FALLING ITS FALLING SOMEONE TAKE COVER SHT I DONNO WHAT TO DO
SOME BODY HELP!" ?

[Mahrac]

Of course, since it's being propelled by an explosion and the fleets are kind of disorganized form the HUGE BATTLE, they might also not have enough time to stop it

[Kloborgg711]

The idea of a fleet trying to annihilate the Citadel to the point that every single piece is small enough to simply "burn" up really makes me chuckle. Maybe if they had a couple of years to do so...

[majormajormmajor]

killnoob wrote...
FTL drive is NOT as primitive as peddleboat. Use better metaphor please.

You're right- its a terrible metaphor. Reality is even worse- we do know that a paddleboat can at least make an oceanic journey in good time. Do you have any idea how big space is? Some BSN monkey ran  the calculations - using the fastest FTL speed available to the Citadel races in the ME universe it will still take 22 years to traverse the galaxy. Good god the galaxy is even more screwed than if we had to revert to sail and paddleboats for our maritime commerce

killnoob wrote...
retard arguements. There are wreckage on every star system in the game, and that's the system we can actually go to in the game. There are probably hundreds of hundreds more star system out there with salvagable wreckage. Also, there are fuel depot. When was the last time when you try to buy fuel the depot says 'Warning, not enough fuel?

>using a game mechanic as evidence

And I'm the retard now? Fact remains fuel consumption requirements have shot up incredibly due to FTL having to be used to get wherever you want to go, where previously a shortcut through the relays was the norm. Prewar infrastructure won't be able to support it- doubly so now that so much of it is ruined.

killnoob wrote...

3. War rations

Already said Earth will have some to acoomadate tourist. Seriously, it's all there. But you didn't bother reading.

Pointed out Earth is in no shape for extra tourists. Your argument is invalid, thanks for playing

killnoob wrote...
4. temporal accomadations on Earth

Which is why its temporal. If you don't read between the lines I'm not gonna make you.[/b]

TEMPORAL? TEMPORAL?

YOU MEAN TEMPORARY RIGHT?

And that's exactly it. Even in this 'temporary' (how long exactly?) transition phase people are going to die in massive numbers. It will get worse before it gets better.

People have spent the last 10 pages refuting your silly little points against your dogged refusal to acknowledge them. I'm not going to make you because you are patently incapable of it. 

killnoob wrote...

First day of reaper attack. 3 million died.

Second day. 4 millions.

Mass Relay destroyed. 100 million died. No I'll give you some better numbers.
1 billion died.

Is that enough for you?
Well then, is the galaxy doomed?
No.

Because the galaxy holds more than 1 billion people.

You're clearly hysterical

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 12 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[Landline]

The speed of individual ships in Mass Effect seems to be comparable to Star Trek ships, probably a bit slower which means that traveling to one side of the galaxy would take nearly a human lifetime and with a much shorter operating range due to the need to discharge their drive cores, which can only be done at certain planets.

Hell, the ME3 codex even talks about the limits of normal FTL travel.

[Mixxer5]

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

kramerfan86 wrote...

The citadel was believed to be near indestructible, what makes you think that the tattered remains of the fleets will be capable of doing any significant damage to one of the arms?

That's what I'm talking about, thanks for pointing it. It seems that to fragmentate citadel only great power is needed (Crucible+ Catalyst- never mind I hate both of them as they're irrational...). If allied fleets hardly can beat the one reaper... And now they must be at least bit "used". I don't see what can they do except helplesly watching.

How about forcing it to change course with fire power?

Jesus christ you people seem to think there's only 1 solution to 1 problem.

And I sincerely doubt that you've played the game because the allied fleet is not fighting against 1 reaper but the entire reapers in general and they do pretty well considering they haven't been wiped out yet.

Ehm... What? Let's say that You can push it left or right. Eventually push it towards Earth. I don't see a way to pull it up. And I want to remind You-they don't have much time. Minutes maybe hours. definitely nothing more.

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

It don't have to have any impact when hitting earth (but it can- in some endings). But mass relays explodes! They can't just stop exist they have to release energy they gathered from millions years.

Play the damn game.

Do you see the mass relay explode? yes.
Do you see the mass relay explode and destroy everyone? NO.

Where do the "destroy everyone" bit come from?

Assumption.

Why do you assume something like that?

You want better endings.

Why?

Because the current one sucks.

All these arguing, trying to prove that everyone died and there's no way anyone could survive without mass relay is completely unneccessary because others and myself have given countless examples of how people could deal with the loss of mass relay.

I've played. I've finished all 3 ME. Do you see Reapers made? No. Does it mean they don't exist? Yeah, maybe- just maybe- those relays don't kill anybody. But it's just another proof that writer should lose his job. It seems that guy didn'y think about most obvious things.

Please explain the highlight gibberish I don't have time to decipher meaningless sentences.

You tell that if I can't see something happened it don't have to happen. Anyone have seen Reapers made? No. But in ME we can see them as well as results of their hard "work". We don't see that exploding relays of course. But if something explodes it must've some impact. Even if not as big as in "Arrival"- something has exploded. Do You truly believe that nothing will happen due to that?

Right, so by your logic,

Just because you can't prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist, so that means he does?

Good luck trying to become a scientist.

 

I think that it's You who should prove that such explosion DON'T make serious damages. Explosions have such properties You know? Usually not positive ones.

[killnoob]

Mahrac wrote...

majormajormmajor wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Errr. Yes we have. - No you haven't

1. FTL drive - FTL drive is NOT as primitive peddleboat. Use better metaphor please.
2. Wreckage salvaging/ Fuel depot - retard arguements. There are wreckage on every star system in the game, and that's the system we can actually go to in the game. There are probably hundreds of hundreds more star system out there with salvagable wreckage. Also, there are fuel depot. When was the last time when you try to buy fuel the depot says 'Warning, not enough fuel?
3. War rations- Already said Earth will have some to acoomadate tourist. Seriously, it's all there. But you didn't bother reading.
4. temporal accomadations on Earth- Which is why its temporal. If you don't read between the lines I'm not gonna make you.

First day of reaper attack. 3 million died.

Second day. 4 millions.

Mass Relay destroyed. 100 million died. No I'll give you some better numbers.
1 billion died.

Is that enough for you?
Well then, is the galaxy doomed?
No.

Because the galaxy holds more than 1 billion people.

And more than 1 billion are dead. some colonies were compleatly whiped out, most are devastated.

FTL isn't a paddleboat, but it takes fuel that they don't have, more than they are likely to salvage, and more time than it would take to starve with a boatful of food

The fuel salvaged ingame wasn't enough to refuel a frigate compleatly, much less an armada

Earth has stores for tourists, alright. How much is left, how long will it be able to sustain the majority of the galxey's armies? answer - not much, maybe a week.

They could hole up on Earth, but it couldn't sustain them for long at all

honestly i think I'm done explaining things to you.

What part of temporal accomadations do you not understand?

Part of the civilizations that could adopt to earth enviroment will holed up earth while others FTL to the closest system to find fuels. There are hundreds of stary systems out there. Hell, probably millions. Even if there are not enough fuel for anyone, running out of fuel is not gonna cause the entire galaxy to die out.

Yes, millions will probably die.
maybe 10 millions.

But the galaxy lives on.
The armada will survive.

If you still dont understand this, I'm not gonna bother anymore.

[Kloborgg711]

killnoob wrote...

Youmu wrote...

Mixxer5 wrote...

That's what I'm talking about, thanks for pointing it. It seems that to fragmentate citadel only great power is needed (Crucible+ Catalyst- never mind I hate both of them as they're irrational...). If allied fleets hardly can beat the one reaper... And now they must be at least bit "used". I don't see what can they do except helplesly watching.

Bringing Down The Sky, Arrival.

Strap some fusion torches on the thing, fire it into the sun. (or just relocate it).

There. Wasn't so hard trying to come up with other solutions right/

And we're just 2 or 3 gamers.

Imagine a fleet of experienced war generals watching.
Do you think they're gonna go

"OMG WHAT THE FK DO I DO  ITS FALLING ITS FALLING SOMEONE TAKE COVER SHT I DONNO WHAT TO DO
SOME BODY HELP!" ?

Well, considering the fleet is completely decimated, the chain of command is probably broken in hundreds of places, no one knows what the hell is going on, and a huge pulse of energy just added even more confusion to everything.. I have a hard time seeing the entire fleet organize a precision team to stop the collision before it hits. I mean really, that's stretching the imagination to a ludicrous point.