1) The Citadel always gets repaired by the Keepers, 3 of them were shown as Shep starts his journey after being uplifted to the Citadel via the Conduit, already doing whatever they do, and it is now in Earth orbit. http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Keeper
My body always gets repaired by my cells. That doesn't mean I can take a grenade to the face and recover. The main difference is of course that the citadel doesn't age and keepers don't become less effective.. but regardless you can't expect an army of constant mechanics to "fix" a self-destructing megastructure.
Because Normandy is ou of range! It's out of relay network (already destroyed). Relays were supposed to send ship from one relay to another. Normandy was pulled out as relay was destroyed. Relay explode not because of asteroid. Relay explode bacause whole energy- which it usually use only to send ships somewhere- is freed. And it's much more than is used to send ships somewhere. It's not asteroid that explodes. It's a relay!
You didn't finish reading what I wrote.
How does Shepard survive if the relay supernova?
Hmm... Another overlook by writter? There are plenty of those it can be another. Again- I'm not saying that Bioware thought about it. Whole ending is great "overlook" for me. Till now You were mostly talking about Normandy not Shepard.
IMO, we were not given enough info to know if the mass relays were destoryed in such a way that did or did not destroy a ton of systems. Our only example of a Mass relay blowing up is from ME2, and that had bad results. these did get destoryed, but maybe in a "safe" way. I have serious doubts this is true, but we just dont know.... (thats half the annoynace with that detail)
it just one of the flaws with the ending. The lact of real difference is another big issue.. (the wave that knocks out normady opens up a whole different can of issues for some other thread)
The thread is about if the destruction of mass relays doomed the entire galaxy.
The end with the grandpa telling his grandson stories, as well as Shepard surviving just proved that mass relay did not supernova and the galaxy went on perfectly.
Now ME3 still has crappy endings.
What I've been trying to say is that what come after "is not neccessarily so depressing".
Compared to the alternative, not, it's not very devastating. Everyone would have gotten harvested by the Reapers. 50,000 years later, everyone would have gotten harvested AGAIN. Another 50,000 years later...
In the grand scale of things, the sacrifice this "cycle" did results in a LOT less deaths later on.
I'm not arguing that this wasn't a better option then the Reavers, of course it was. That doesn't mean the galaxy isn't devastated by it. In time it will recover but it will very hard going for a while.
An earthquake is not as devastating as a nuclear bomb going off, but try using that arguement to the victims of the 2010 Haiti earthquake. I'm sure they will tell you they where devastated. Its a matter of perspective.
Because Normandy is ou of range! It's out of relay network (already destroyed). Relays were supposed to send ship from one relay to another. Normandy was pulled out as relay was destroyed. Relay explode not because of asteroid. Relay explode bacause whole energy- which it usually use only to send ships somewhere- is freed. And it's much more than is used to send ships somewhere. It's not asteroid that explodes. It's a relay!
You didn't finish reading what I wrote.
How does Shepard survive if the relay supernova?
Hmm... Another overlook by writter? There are plenty of those it can be another. Again- I'm not saying that Bioware thought about it. Whole ending is great "overlook" for me. Till now You were mostly talking about Normandy not Shepard.
You didn't read my post. That's your problem.
The fact that Shepard survived just proved the relay did not supernova.
It exploded, yes, but not in the same fashion as Arrival because nobody drove a mega astroid into it.
Do you finally understand now?
I'm not trying to defend the ending.
Again and again I keep saying they suck.
But just because the mass relay are destroyed that does not mean everyone's fked.
Just because they exploded doesn't mean they supernova.
Hopefully you can read my post through this time around.
1) The Citadel always gets repaired by the Keepers, 3 of them were shown as Shep starts his journey after being uplifted to the Citadel via the Conduit, already doing whatever they do, and it is now in Earth orbit. http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Keeper
My body always gets repaired by my cells. That doesn't mean I can take a grenade to the face and recover. The main difference is of course that the citadel doesn't age and keepers don't become less effective.. but regardless you can't expect an army of constant mechanics to "fix" a self-destructing megastructure.
In RL, perhaps yes, but think. This is BW's galaxy and they have the means to explain w/e the hell they want to get to the next game. They already stated the Codex contains a wealth of data to go wherever they wish to go for another game, thereby getting past this current debate of the horrific effects of the Crucible.
Youmu wrote... I'm not defending the endings. I'm just working with what terrible endings gave me.
Why bother? The universe that you spent the last three games getting to know isn't going to survive the endings in any recognisable shape.
But we've stopped the Reapers! And destroyed Geths and EDI. Or we've merged organic life with synthetics. Or we've become part of Reapers and we're actually leading them! Didn't we accomplished everything we wanted?Wait... It seems we didn't. Illusive man was right it seems. Crap...
I'm not arguing that this wasn't a better option then the Reavers, of course it was. That doesn't mean the galaxy isn't devastated by it. In time it will recover but it will very hard going for a while.
An earthquake is not as devastating as a nuclear bomb going off, but try using that arguement to the victims of the 2010 Haiti earthquake. I'm sure they will tell you they where devastated. Its a matter of perspective.
No, Wolf. You were wrong! Losing the central infrastructure the galaxy is built around is not devastating. End of that galaxy, now that is devastating! We must measure everything relative to that.
If I were to sneak into your house to murder you, for example, I'm certain your loved ones would consider it personally devastating. But they would be wrong! Reapers eating the galaxy, now that is devastating! In the light of that nothing else deserves to be regarded as devestating. Can someone please invent a sliding scale of devestation so we all know what is and what's not?
Here's my proposal, from most devestating to least:
Reapers eat everyone > Relays blow up > killnoob's colon > Relays go dark without blowing up >>>>>>>2010 Haiti earthquake >>Nuclear bomb (small one) >>>>>>> I sneak into your house to murder you
killnoob wrote...
Derp.
You don't know how relieved that video of what could possibility be the inbred desecendants of the Normandy crew stranded on an unknown planet makes me
Modifié par majormajormmajor, 12 mars 2012 - 05:59 .
I'm not arguing that this wasn't a better option then the Reavers, of course it was. That doesn't mean the galaxy isn't devastated by it. In time it will recover but it will very hard going for a while.
An earthquake is not as devastating as a nuclear bomb going off, but try using that arguement to the victims of the 2010 Haiti earthquake. I'm sure they will tell you they where devastated. Its a matter of perspective.
No, Wolf. You were wrong! Losing the central infrastructure the galaxy is built around is not devastating. End of that galaxy, now that is devastating! We must measure everything relative to that.
If I were to sneak into your house to murder you, for example, I'm certain your loved ones would consider it personally devastating. But they would be wrong! Reapers eating the galaxy, now that is devastating! In the light of that nothing else deserves to be regarded as devestating. Can someone please invent a sliding scale of devestation so we all know what is and what's not?
Here's my proposal, from most devestating to least:
Reapers eat everyone > Relays blow up > killnoob's colon > Relays go dark without blowing up >>>>>>>2010 Haiti earthquake >>>>>>>> I sneak into your house to murder you
killnoob wrote...
Derp.
You don't know how relieved that video of what could possibility be the inbred desecendants of the Normandy crew stranded on an unknown planet makes me
u so funny.
Watched this yet?
OMG The mass relays are gone the galaxy is barely recongizable everybody died! Arghhhhh
Because Normandy is ou of range! It's out of relay network (already destroyed). Relays were supposed to send ship from one relay to another. Normandy was pulled out as relay was destroyed. Relay explode not because of asteroid. Relay explode bacause whole energy- which it usually use only to send ships somewhere- is freed. And it's much more than is used to send ships somewhere. It's not asteroid that explodes. It's a relay!
You didn't finish reading what I wrote.
How does Shepard survive if the relay supernova?
Hmm... Another overlook by writter? There are plenty of those it can be another. Again- I'm not saying that Bioware thought about it. Whole ending is great "overlook" for me. Till now You were mostly talking about Normandy not Shepard.
You didn't read my post. That's your problem.
The fact that Shepard survived just proved the relay did not supernova.
It exploded, yes, but not in the same fashion as Arrival because nobody drove a mega astroid into it.
Do you finally understand now?
I'm not trying to defend the ending.
Again and again I keep saying they suck.
But just because the mass relay are destroyed that does not mean everyone's fked.
Just because they exploded doesn't mean they supernova.
Hopefully you can read my post through this time around.
I did. I usually first read (or listen) and then I respond. So. I told You- exploding (as they're exploding and no one even Space Kid can't dismiss that) relays not killing everyone can be overlook from Bioware. They had plenty of overlooks in ME3 so it's possible. Obviously they didn't exploded in ME2 fashion. They was hit by some color beam. Not asteroid. Again- there is no safe way to discharge whole energy from so long existing mass relay. Those energy must go somewhere.
You don't know how relieved that video of what could possibility be the inbred desecendants of the Normandy crew stranded on an unknown planet makes me
Posts same video as if it makes him seem more convincing
I'm sure holding your breath and repeating yourself until you got what you wanted worked well as a strategy in preschool but grownups expect a more intellectually rigourous exercise before they are swayed
No, Wolf. You were wrong! Losing the central infrastructure the galaxy is built around is not devastating. End of that galaxy, now that is devastating! We must measure everything relative to that.
If I were to sneak into your house to murder you, for example, I'm certain your loved ones would consider it personally devastating. But they would be wrong! Reapers eating the galaxy, now that is devastating! In the light of that nothing else deserves to be regarded as devestating. Can someone please invent a sliding scale of devestation so we all know what is and what's not?
Here's my proposal, from most devestating to least:
Reapers eat everyone > Relays blow up > killnoob's colon > Relays go dark without blowing up >>>>>>>2010 Haiti earthquake >>Nuclear bomb (small one) >>>>>>> I sneak into your house to murder you
For a second I thought you were being serious lol.
I did. I usually first read (or listen) and then I respond. So. I told You- exploding (as they're exploding and no one even Space Kid can't dismiss that) relays not killing everyone can be overlook from Bioware. They had plenty of overlooks in ME3 so it's possible. Obviously they didn't exploded in ME2 fashion. They was hit by some color beam. Not asteroid. Again- there is no safe way to discharge whole energy from so long existing mass relay. Those energy must go somewhere.
It wasn't so obvious until I explained to you properly.
A while ago you were talking about how the relay explosion are detroying star systems.
Honestly, man if you lost a arguement its ok to just say point taken then move on.
And please don't make me go back and start quoting you because that'd be a huge waste of time.
You don't know how relieved that video of what could possibility be the inbred desecendants of the Normandy crew stranded on an unknown planet makes me
If your mind is this fked up....
You're beyond my help.
Obviously asari and human can't interbreed. As well as human (ashley) with human. Wasn't there actually whole crew on the Normandy?
Posts same video as if it makes him seem more convincing
I'm sure holding your breath and repeating yourself until you got what you wanted worked well as a strategy in preschool but grownups expect a more intellectually rigourous exercise before they are swayed
Says a guy who called his avatar majormajormajor.
Hang on a minute, weren't you one of the guy that said the relay supernova?
And didn't I just prove it to you that they didn't?
You don't know how relieved that video of what could possibility be the inbred desecendants of the Normandy crew stranded on an unknown planet makes me
If your mind is this fked up....
You're beyond my help.
Obviously asari and human can't interbreed. As well as human (ashley) with human. Wasn't there actually whole crew on the Normandy?
why does everyone assume a lush garden world the normandy crashes on is completely unpopulated?
hell there could be a huge colony 50 miles away with millions of people living there.
hell they could be on sur'kesh, looks just like it actually. maybe they crashed in the middle of one of their national parks?
I did. I usually first read (or listen) and then I respond. So. I told You- exploding (as they're exploding and no one even Space Kid can't dismiss that) relays not killing everyone can be overlook from Bioware. They had plenty of overlooks in ME3 so it's possible. Obviously they didn't exploded in ME2 fashion. They was hit by some color beam. Not asteroid. Again- there is no safe way to discharge whole energy from so long existing mass relay. Those energy must go somewhere.
It wasn't so obvious until I explained to you properly.
A while ago you were talking about how the relay explosion are detroying star systems.
Honestly, man if you lost a arguement its ok to just say point taken then move on.
And please don't make me go back and start quoting you because that'd be a huge waste of time.
Yeah. I didn't understand what I was talking about until You explained that to me. Or actually repeated tenth time same thing. Feel like talking with Space Kid again. There's no way I can complain.
why does everyone assume a lush garden world the normandy crashes on is completely unpopulated? hell there could be a huge colony 50 miles away with millions of people living there.
hell they could be on sur'kesh, looks just like it actually. maybe they crashed in the middle of one of their national parks?
If you actually look carefully at the background, there seem to be a den or some sort.
But I'm not sure though, so don't take my word for it.
I think some people were too busy raging to pay attention to the endings when the relays "explode".
It was releasing energy, the close up of the soldiers on land get hit by the wave of energy but they're still moving around and ****, nothing gets destroyed. The only time they disintegrate is if you pick destory and you're under 1500 readiness. You destroy everything if you cut corners.
It's like a solar flare for the people around. Normandy doesn't get destroyed by it but they do get damaged because of the relay jump they did (space magic). Shepard survives if you play your cards right. Not sure where you guys get this idea everything is f*cked. FTL still work, the relays are still physically there, just inactive.
They can be reactivated with enough brains, I would assume. Remember that Matriarch that got laughed out of a meeting once because she suggested to create their own MR's? Well it's possible, hell even the protheans om Illos made one (12 scientists) that linked to the citadel.
The only thing I have a problem with is the lack of epilogue. I want to know what happened to all the races I spent 3 games fixing. The AI / cycle ending at the end is sorta out of left field, no foreshadowing of it, which is what bothers me the most and the choices make sense just... I need an epilogue like in DA.
And an explanation how my earth team ended up on the Normandy through space magic with no injuries, and why the Normandy was by Pluto when it all went to sh*t. Where are they when they crashed? Did they get rescued?
And where Shepard woke up. Looks like London rubble but space magic can't explain how he/she survived the crash from the citadel to earth when it exploded.
That's all I want D: Just a little clarification. I'm pretty sure that's what people are angry about.
I did. I usually first read (or listen) and then I respond. So. I told You- exploding (as they're exploding and no one even Space Kid can't dismiss that) relays not killing everyone can be overlook from Bioware. They had plenty of overlooks in ME3 so it's possible. Obviously they didn't exploded in ME2 fashion. They was hit by some color beam. Not asteroid. Again- there is no safe way to discharge whole energy from so long existing mass relay. Those energy must go somewhere.
It wasn't so obvious until I explained to you properly.
A while ago you were talking about how the relay explosion are detroying star systems.
Honestly, man if you lost a arguement its ok to just say point taken then move on.
And please don't make me go back and start quoting you because that'd be a huge waste of time.
Yeah. I didn't understand what I was talking about until You explained that to me. Or actually repeated tenth time same thing. Feel like talking with Space Kid again. There's no way I can complain.
Np, i must say you were holding yourself pretty well.
I'm just glad that people finally realize mass relay destroyed isn't what made the ending so crap.
why does everyone assume a lush garden world the normandy crashes on is completely unpopulated? hell there could be a huge colony 50 miles away with millions of people living there.
hell they could be on sur'kesh, looks just like it actually. maybe they crashed in the middle of one of their national parks?
It's out of relay network. So definitely not colonies.
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