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[Linus108]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

why does everyone assume a lush garden world the normandy crashes on is completely unpopulated?
hell there could be a huge colony 50 miles away with millions of people living there.

hell they could be on sur'kesh, looks just like it actually. maybe they crashed in the middle of one of their national parks?

Still doesn't change the fact that every planet has its own resources, and each race has their own unique needs/resources to survive. And the odds of a planet having food to sustain life for the various people on your ship, is wishful thinking at best. With the Mass Relays and galatic trade, other forms of life could live in areas outside of their homeworld, as food could be traded or sold and stocked.

Without the Mass relays, you have a situation where tons of life is stranded in locations where they can no longer get the food they need (specific to their needs). So basically, some will survive if the area they are stuck on has food that will work with their system. 

Modifié par Linus108, 12 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[Bereman08]

rorako wrote...

Wrong. The Relays being destroyed does doom the galaxy.

Lets put it like this: how many fleets were at Earth if you did everything nearly perfectly? If you count the war assets you see, then the fleets include: All the Quarian fleets that can fight (a MASSIVE amount), at least four Human fleets, the Geth fleet (which is comparable in size of the Quarians), at least one Salarian fleet, Several Turian fleets, all the ground forces, and what's left of the Alliance ground forces. Not to mention the mercenaries you got from Aria...that's a LOT of people stuck in the Sol system.

Yes, you can use FTL drives to get back, but you'd need MASSIVE amounts of food and fuel for that journey. Is it possible? No, I don't think so, and this is why:

Now, the Sol system has one inhabitable planet: Earth. That's one planet that can sustain life and grow food. This planet was just utterly ravaged by the Reapers. Most likely their fuel and crops are down, food is scarce. There would probably be a food shortage for the humans, but now that they have to feed three times as many fleets? (not including the Geth, obviously) Sure, they can go to nearby systems...wait, those were ravaged by the Reapers, too.

Okay, fuel. They can just hop system to system, right?

Anyone else notice in the game that only CERTAIN systems had fuel depots? Not to mention Earth's fuel station probably got destroyed, and the machinery to create more probably got harvested by the Reapers.

Face it. The Galaxy is in a ****ty situation, even with the Reapers gone. By "saving" the galaxy, you've doomed hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of people to die by starvation, vacuum if their ships run out of fuel mid-way to their destination...

But hey, the Reapers are gone, apparently. Maybe Bioware thought that was enough.

The Quarians use Liveships, which are essentially massive space farms providing food for Dextro-amino (?) acid based life forms to use when on the go.  That's already a foundation to take care of food for the Quarians and Turians, and the technology could be spread to others to accomadate other types of food production.  Food, while likely having to be rationed and carefully maintained for a long while, isn't as big an issue as fuel will be.

[majormajormmajor]

killnoob wrote...

Says a guy who called his avatar majormajormajor.

Someone can't appreciate modern literature


Oh wait, same fellow who calls himself 'killnoob' is lecturing people on handles now? Stone the goddamn crows!

killnoob wrote...
Hang on a minute, weren't you one of the guy that said the relay supernova?

And didn't I just prove it to you that they didn't?

Nope, not even me.

You losing your mind, bro? We all becoming one formless mass of indistinct shapes who made the cardinal mistake of disagreeing with the great kill-noob? 

[killnoob]

pause at 4.09 people.

That look like some kind of den to me.

[savionen]

They all survived because of space magic that happened after the game ended.

[Tombfyre09]

Pft.... Imagine deleting our transportation networks now adays.. instantly. It would be the death of all economies.... Galactic Dark Age Achieved.. by the hero!

[Virgl]

 In the next DLC they will study downed reapers and use that technology to get back to the crew.

[killnoob]

majormajormmajor wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Says a guy who called his avatar majormajormajor.

Someone can't appreciate modern literature


Oh wait, same fellow who calls himself 'killnoob' is lecturing people on handles now? Stone the goddamn crows!

killnoob wrote...
Hang on a minute, weren't you one of the guy that said the relay supernova?

And didn't I just prove it to you that they didn't?

Nope, not even me.

You losing your mind, bro? We all becoming one formless mass of indistinct shapes who made the cardinal mistake of disagreeing with the great kill-noob? 

I'm not your bro.

And yea i know I'm great, thanks.

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[savionen]

I imagine most species wouldn't be happy about being turned into half-organic/half-synthetic monstrosities, especially the Krogan. Time for a new war in Sol, 5 minutes after the game ended.

Modifié par savionen, 12 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[eternalshiva]

Almost looks like Virmire.

[majormajormmajor]

killnoob wrote...

I'm not your bro.

bro bro bro bro bro BRO

what are you going to do about it, bro?

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 12 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[killnoob]

I think Eden Prime.

But that's s long ago lol need to go back to play ME1 again but really cbf because the ending suck so bad. :/

[killnoob]

majormajormmajor wrote...

killnoob wrote...

I'm not your bro.

bro bro bro bro bro BRO

what are you going to do about it, bro?

Lol mature intellectual indeed.

And all it took was one sentence.

Well done, boyo.

[UnbornLeviathan]

Arcian wrote...

Alsuras wrote...

Also it's worth noting that ships can't travel indefinitley at FTL speeds because they need to discharge their drive cores periodically, which requires a nearby planetary body. The risk of not reaching one in time would be too great.

Dude, on average there's 4 light years between each neighboring star in the galaxy - 0,8 light years between stars in the core. An average ship can go 50 light years before needing to discharge. There's no "risk" of reaching one in time.

Seriously, if you people just read the damn lore, you wouldn't have these stupid questions in the first place.

To be fair, expecting everyone to read the lore in a game of this scale is a bit much. Most people just enjoy playing the game, and getting an ending like that will leave the average player annoyed and confused.

It's just bad writing.

[Mixxer5]

Liedral wrote...

I think some people were too busy raging to pay attention to the endings when the relays "explode".

It was releasing energy, the close up of the soldiers on land get hit by the wave of energy but they're still moving around and ****, nothing gets destroyed. The only time they disintegrate is if you pick destory and you're under 1500 readiness. You destroy everything if you cut corners.

It's like a solar flare for the people around. Normandy doesn't get destroyed by it but they do get damaged because of the relay jump they did (space magic). Shepard survives if you play your cards right. Not sure where you guys get this idea everything is f*cked. FTL still work, the relays are still physically there, just inactive.

They can be reactivated with enough brains, I would assume. Remember that Matriarch that got laughed out of a meeting once because she suggested to create their own MR's? Well it's possible, hell even the protheans om Illos made one (12 scientists) that linked to the citadel.

The only thing I have a problem with is the lack of epilogue. I want to know what happened to all the races I spent 3 games fixing. The AI / cycle ending at the end is sorta out of left field, no foreshadowing of it, which is what bothers me the most and the choices make sense just... I need an epilogue like in DA.

And an explanation how my earth team ended up on the Normandy through space magic with no injuries, and why the Normandy was by Pluto when it all went to sh*t. Where are they when they crashed? Did they get rescued?

And where Shepard woke up. Looks like London rubble but space magic can't explain how he/she survived the crash from the citadel to earth when it exploded.

That's all I want D: Just a little clarification. I'm pretty sure that's what people are angry about.

Notice one thing. Beam hits Earth and do something with Reapers (deped on ending). Later (on in the same time) it his relay. We don't know if relay explodes or not.

[GM Jaken]

Regardless of all these, the final consensus is that the majority of the fans were dissatisfied by the endings.

But, think of it this way: the Suicide Mission wasn't the end of ME2, Arrival was. C'mon guys, this is the same company that put out Day 1 DLC. Did you really think they didn't grab a chance to milk us for another ten bucks for the next part of the story?

[killnoob]

Mixxer5 wrote...

Liedral wrote...

I think some people were too busy raging to pay attention to the endings when the relays "explode".

It was releasing energy, the close up of the soldiers on land get hit by the wave of energy but they're still moving around and ****, nothing gets destroyed. The only time they disintegrate is if you pick destory and you're under 1500 readiness. You destroy everything if you cut corners.

It's like a solar flare for the people around. Normandy doesn't get destroyed by it but they do get damaged because of the relay jump they did (space magic). Shepard survives if you play your cards right. Not sure where you guys get this idea everything is f*cked. FTL still work, the relays are still physically there, just inactive.

They can be reactivated with enough brains, I would assume. Remember that Matriarch that got laughed out of a meeting once because she suggested to create their own MR's? Well it's possible, hell even the protheans om Illos made one (12 scientists) that linked to the citadel.

The only thing I have a problem with is the lack of epilogue. I want to know what happened to all the races I spent 3 games fixing. The AI / cycle ending at the end is sorta out of left field, no foreshadowing of it, which is what bothers me the most and the choices make sense just... I need an epilogue like in DA.

And an explanation how my earth team ended up on the Normandy through space magic with no injuries, and why the Normandy was by Pluto when it all went to sh*t. Where are they when they crashed? Did they get rescued?

And where Shepard woke up. Looks like London rubble but space magic can't explain how he/she survived the crash from the citadel to earth when it exploded.

That's all I want D: Just a little clarification. I'm pretty sure that's what people are angry about.

Notice one thing. Beam hits Earth and do something with Reapers (deped on ending). Later (on in the same time) it his relay. We don't know if relay explodes or not.

the relay exploded.

The cyber space god that you and I both hate so much told us using the crucible is gonna destroy the relays.

Damn casper.

[killnoob]

GM Jaken wrote...

Regardless of all these, the final consensus is that the majority of the fans were dissatisfied by the endings.

But, think of it this way: the Suicide Mission wasn't the end of ME2, Arrival was. C'mon guys, this is the same company that put out Day 1 DLC. Did you really think they didn't grab a chance to milk us for another ten bucks for the next part of the story?

Wow.

"The company that puts out Day 1 DLC."

You just made me realize how far Bioware has fallen.

I'm depressed now ;(

[daisekihan]

I would say the main problem is that all these civilations base their way of life on intergalactic travel. Especially in the colonies. They may not die immediately, but people will not easily go back to a pre-mass effect life style easily, meaning their will be resource wars.

And even if civilization in general isn't doomed, Earth is defintely doomed. All the aliens there who got stuck on earth are going to have no choice but to settle their. Especially when you consider that the First Contact War was only 30 years ago, I can very easily see war breaking out with the Turians within a generation or two. Or you might have a District 9 scenerio where the non-human races eventually become an oppressed minority living in Earth's slums.

[GM Jaken]

killnoob wrote...

GM Jaken wrote...

Regardless of all these, the final consensus is that the majority of the fans were dissatisfied by the endings.

But, think of it this way: the Suicide Mission wasn't the end of ME2, Arrival was. C'mon guys, this is the same company that put out Day 1 DLC. Did you really think they didn't grab a chance to milk us for another ten bucks for the next part of the story?

Wow.

"The company that puts out Day 1 DLC."

You just made me realize how far Bioware has fallen.

I'm depressed now ;(

Yeah, but at least they didn't add micro-transactions to ME3.... Oh, wait...

[majormajormmajor]

killnoob wrote...

Lol mature intellectual indeed.

And all it took was one sentence.

Well done, boyo.

Yeah did in one sentence what you've doing these last 15 pages. I am a master of economy- bro

So have you fecking come up with a good enough excuse that explains away all the deaths that will inevitably result from the relay network going down yet?

bro?

[Fjordgnu]

Whether or not the relays are destroyed is really irrelevant. Even if it's technically possible to get from one system to the next, how are you going to do it? You'd need massive amounts of fuel, ships capable of carrying that much fuel and supporting the crew during the years-long journey.

You know all those people in Sol? They're dead. Every last one of them is going to starve. Earth doesn't have the sort of resources necessary to support them. At best, a few ships might be able to leave, if everyone else decides to give up their fuel and sacrifice themselves.

[Mixxer5]

daisekihan wrote...

I would say the main problem is that all these civilations base their way of life on intergalactic travel. Especially in the colonies. They may not die immediately, but people will not easily go back to a pre-mass effect life style easily, meaning their will be resource wars.

And even if civilization in general isn't doomed, Earth is defintely doomed. All the aliens there who got stuck on earth are going to have no choice but to settle their. Especially when you consider that the First Contact War was only 30 years ago, I can very easily see war breaking out with the Turians within a generation or two. Or you might have a District 9 scenerio where the non-human races eventually become an oppressed minority living in Earth's slums.

As I see how Earth looks after Reaper invasion it doesn't seem possible that humans could withstand it aliens would decide to take over Earth. 

[Pandora]

I'm pretty sure it doomed civiliaztion. It's like cutting all the communication, roads, globalization or galaxy-ation, etc; When you cut these parts that are so essential to the livelihood of all the peeps, I'm pretty sure you're dead. Starvation? Attaining the education of a pre-school student? Yes.

[killnoob]

daisekihan wrote...

I would say the main problem is that all these civilations base their way of life on intergalactic travel. Especially in the colonies. They may not die immediately, but people will not easily go back to a pre-mass effect life style easily, meaning their will be resource wars.

And even if civilization in general isn't doomed, Earth is defintely doomed. All the aliens there who got stuck on earth are going to have no choice but to settle their. Especially when you consider that the First Contact War was only 30 years ago, I can very easily see war breaking out with the Turians within a generation or two. Or you might have a District 9 scenerio where the non-human races eventually become an oppressed minority living in Earth's slums.

Good to know someone is staying on topic.

Yeah your scenrio I can agree with.

I however cannot accept how everyone say the fleet would be all stranded on sol and the entire galaxy would die out.

That's ridiculous.

But the asari metriach DID say something about being able to create mass relay themselves, so hope is not lost.
It all depends on how you look at things in general.

If you're a depressive person, you're gonna think everything will fked up. If you're optimistic like I am, you'll think everything work out for the best.

And I think that's what bioware wanted. 
An open ended ending.

Except that's not the fan wants.