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[GM Jaken]

Vizunah wrote...

Attaining the education of a pre-school student?

Like America?

[killnoob]

majormajormmajor wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Lol mature intellectual indeed.

And all it took was one sentence.

Well done, boyo.

Yeah did in one sentence what you've doing these last 15 pages. I am a master of economy- bro

So have you fecking come up with a good enough excuse that explains away all the deaths that will inevitably result from the relay network going down yet?

bro?

U mad?

Want a hug?

IF a video of a grandpa telling his grandson stories in a relaxed fashion doesn't prove that the galaxy is not as devastated as you think

God help you .

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Horizonhill]

Supernova relay debate aside, it technically would be the end of Galactic Civilization. The Mass Effect Galactic community was based around the relatively quick transport as a result of the Mass Relays. Destroying that network would irreparably demolish that community resulting in both an economic and cultural collapse. I'm not saying everyone would die, but I agree that the galaxy would be thrown into a proverbial dark age because of the lack of resources and trade networks that they had become dependant on. So life will continue but there's not way that civilization would maintain itself in the traditional form. It would become a dystopian society based upon survival.

With regards to the epilogue video of Stargazer and the young child, there's no way to determing how long has passed since the events of the game. Although the phrase "The Shepard" leads me to believe that a significant time as has passed and the actual events have turned into myth. In this case, it is a new civilization that has arisen and cannot be labeled as the traditional Mass Effect civilization.

Nitpickers feel free to demolish my arguments. These are based on my opinions and observations.

[killnoob]

Horizonhill wrote...

Supernova relay debate aside, it technically would be the end of Galactic Civilization. The Mass Effect Galactic community was based around the relatively quick transport as a result of the Mass Relays. Destroying that network would irreparably demolish that community resulting in both an economic and cultural collapse. I'm not saying everyone would die, but I agree that the galaxy would be thrown into a proverbial dark age because of the lack of resources and trade networks that they had become dependant on. So life will continue but there's not way that civilization would maintain itself in the traditional form. It would become a dystopian society based upon survival.

With regards to the epilogue video of Stargazer and the young child, there's no way to determing how long has passed since the events of the game. Although the phrase "The Shepard" leads me to believe that a significant time as has passed and the actual events have turned into myth. In this case, it is a new civilization that has arisen and cannot be labeled as the traditional Mass Effect civilization.

Nitpickers feel free to demolish my arguments. These are based on my opinions and observations.

A new civilization that speak english? Nah.

[UnbornLeviathan]

Another issue with destroying the Mass Relays, the amount of nearly dead ships floating around earth. How many do you think are in dire need of restocking, refuelling and emergency repairs? It might be hard to do that on a burned out husk of a planet with the largest military force in the world on it.

[majormajormmajor]

killnoob wrote...


U mad?

Want a hug?

>15 pages of killnoob screaming and flailing at people disagreeing with him
>pretends others are mad

u so mad bro

killnoob wrote...

IF a video of a grandpa telling his grandson stories in a relaxed fashion doesn't prove that the galaxy is not as devastated as you think

God help you .

Don't see how it proves it isn't devestated. They're a pocket of people somewhere isolated and low tech enough to avoid the collapse, and if fan theories are to be believed that this is the Normandy crew's descendants, then it proves they're still stranded

bro

[Horizonhill]

If we go by the logic of the game then apparently everyone knows English. That being said, it would also seem like a fairly foolish idea to have an epilogue cutscene in a foreign language and it's open to debate that it's in English entirely for the sake of convenience of the players.

[killnoob]

UnbornLeviathan wrote...

Another issue with destroying the Mass Relays, the amount of nearly dead ships floating around earth. How many do you think are in dire need of restocking, refuelling and emergency repairs? It might be hard to do that on a burned out husk of a planet with the largest military force in the world on it.

Once again, nobody said everyone will pull through perfectly.

Some are going to struggle, of course.

But the galaxy will be okay as proven in the Stragazer video.

[Tombfyre09]

killnoob wrote...

But the asari metriach DID say something about being able to create mass relay themselves, so hope is not lost.
It all depends on how you look at things in general.

If you're a depressive person, you're gonna think everything will fked up. If you're optimistic like I am, you'll think everything work out for the best.

 - I don't recall that conversation.  I do recall that the Mass Effect relays are "quantum shielded" which prevents study and or tinkerings however i don't recall what ME I heard that in. 
 - you don't have to be depressive to think things are destroyed.   I think you have just to look at the facts presented by the lore before hand to realize everything important was based on the relays.   Intersteller flight takes a LONG time even at FTL speeds.   Thats why they used the relays.  The quarian homeworld is on the OTHER SIDE of the galaxy... the whole quarian race would essentially be stranded... obviously they could go back to normal life but essentially they have lost their homeworld again. 
 - Loss of the mass relays is one fo the more depressing things if you think about the concsequences to that civilization you were trying to..... save.

Modifié par Tombfyre09, 12 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[killnoob]

Horizonhill wrote...

If we go by the logic of the game then apparently everyone knows English. That being said, it would also seem like a fairly foolish idea to have an epilogue cutscene in a foreign language and it's open to debate that it's in English entirely for the sake of convenience of the players.

I understand that.

But you're saying it's an entire new civilization that has taken over.

The cutscene of the stargazer shows the figure of a human holding the hand of a child.

Of course you can argue that they're far away and we can't really tell.

But don't you think that's a bit 'trying to pick bones from an egg"?

If bioware wants you to think they're from a new civilization they'd paint the figure differently.

[Horizonhill]

I'd also like to point out that the Stargazer video does not identify anything that happened to the other Galactic races. As far as we know it is just the descendants of the Normandy crash and they have been completely cut off from outside Galactic contact.

Basically what I'm saying is that everything is open to interpretation, but it seems likely and logical that Galactic civilzation was thrown into disarray and was a long time in recovering.

[killnoob]

Tombfyre09 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

But the asari metriach DID say something about being able to create mass relay themselves, so hope is not lost.
It all depends on how you look at things in general.

If you're a depressive person, you're gonna think everything will fked up. If you're optimistic like I am, you'll think everything work out for the best.

 - I don't recall that conversation.  I do recall that the Mass Effect relays are "quantum shielded" which prevents study and or tinkerings however i don't recall what ME I heard that in. 
 - you don't have to be depressive to think things are destroyed.   I think you have just to look at the facts presented by the lore before hand to realize everything important was based on the relays.   Intersteller flight takes a LONG time even at FTL speeds.   Thats why they used the relays.  The quarian homeworld is on the OTHER SIDE of the galaxy... the whole quarian race would essentially be stranded... obviously they could go back to normal life but essentially they have lost their homeworld again. 
 - Loss of the mass relays is one fo the more depressing things if you think about the concsequences to that civilization that you were trying to..... save.

I do looking at facts, and my facts are actually facts, not speculations.

The stargazer is telling his grandson a story in a peaceful manner. He took his time to explain about stars, and tells that kid he'll be able to see it himself one day.

Assuming that kid is human and has about 100 years of life span, it should tell you that space travelling is already/ will be avalible in the next 100 years, therefore there is hope.

[killnoob]

Horizonhill wrote...

I'd also like to point out that the Stargazer video does not identify anything that happened to the other Galactic races. As far as we know it is just the descendants of the Normandy crash and they have been completely cut off from outside Galactic contact.

Basically what I'm saying is that everything is open to interpretation, but it seems likely and logical that Galactic civilzation was thrown into disarray and was a long time in recovering.

We don't even know if they're descendent of the normandy, though.

Which is why We need a proper epilogue.

However from the way stargazer talks to his kid, its actually easier to assume the galaxy is fine after relay destruction.

But that's just me.

If you still want to think the galaxy is destroyed, go righ ahead.

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[Horizonhill]

killnoob wrote...

Horizonhill wrote...

If we go by the logic of the game then apparently everyone knows English. That being said, it would also seem like a fairly foolish idea to have an epilogue cutscene in a foreign language and it's open to debate that it's in English entirely for the sake of convenience of the players.

I understand that.

But you're saying it's an entire new civilization that has taken over.

The cutscene of the stargazer shows the figure of a human holding the hand of a child.

Of course you can argue that they're far away and we can't really tell.

But don't you think that's a bit 'trying to pick bones from an egg"?

If bioware wants you to think they're from a new civilization they'd paint the figure differently.

It would be an entirely new civilization. If a significant length of time has passed then the civilization that grew around the Mass Relays would have disappeared and new civilizations would have arisen. Roman civilization is was significantly different from the Chinese civilization, yet they were both human.

[Harorrd]

Everyone who claims the relays dident go supernova, Why was the humans spared when the citadel initiated the chain reaction? they seams to be ok, however the Normandy was almost destroyed by the wave of something that's far more dangerous than space magic. and this is a super nova.

[Horizonhill]

killnoob wrote...

Horizonhill wrote...

I'd also like to point out that the Stargazer video does not identify anything that happened to the other Galactic races. As far as we know it is just the descendants of the Normandy crash and they have been completely cut off from outside Galactic contact.

Basically what I'm saying is that everything is open to interpretation, but it seems likely and logical that Galactic civilzation was thrown into disarray and was a long time in recovering.

We don't even know if they're descendent of the normandy, though.

Hence why I stated that it's open to interpretation. There is not enough evidence from the cutscenes to make a final, determinate statement on the state of Galactic civilization. I'm making my interpretation based upon my own opinions and defending it as such.

[clonedoriginzero]

Harorrd wrote...

Everyone who claims the relays dident go supernova, Why was the humans spared when the citadel initiated the chain reaction? they seams to be ok, however the Normandy was almost destroyed by the wave of something that's far more dangerous than space magic. and this is a super nova.

ive explained this MANYTIMES.

please read the thread before commenting next time.

[killnoob]

Horizonhill wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Horizonhill wrote...

If we go by the logic of the game then apparently everyone knows English. That being said, it would also seem like a fairly foolish idea to have an epilogue cutscene in a foreign language and it's open to debate that it's in English entirely for the sake of convenience of the players.

I understand that.

But you're saying it's an entire new civilization that has taken over.

The cutscene of the stargazer shows the figure of a human holding the hand of a child.

Of course you can argue that they're far away and we can't really tell.

But don't you think that's a bit 'trying to pick bones from an egg"?

If bioware wants you to think they're from a new civilization they'd paint the figure differently.

It would be an entirely new civilization. If a significant length of time has passed then the civilization that grew around the Mass Relays would have disappeared and new civilizations would have arisen. Roman civilization is was significantly different from the Chinese civilization, yet they were both human.

Once again, without a proper epilogue, this is all assumption, whether it's a new civilization or not.
Let's stick to what we do know:

1. The stargazer and the kid appear to be human and speak english
2. A significant amount of time has passed
3. Space travelling is possible/will be possible soon

Anything else is pure speculations.

However, their existence can tell us that even though the mass relays are done, people adopted and survived. Whether it's a new generation of people, or it's ME generation of people,  the galaxy is doing fine.

You can think there's a big brutal bloody battle right in the middle.

But the end result is the same.

The stargazer is telling a kid the story about ME in a relaxed manner, and they're doing fine.

Modifié par killnoob, 12 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[Arduous Wolf]

killnoob wrote...

f you're a depressive person, you're gonna think everything will fked up. If you're optimistic like I am, you'll think everything work out for the best.

Its not about being optimistic or pessimistic, its about being realistic. Basically a lot of people are screwed. After investing years into the series I would have like the choice of a truely happy ending even if it wasn't considered canon.

[killnoob]

Harorrd wrote...

Everyone who claims the relays dident go supernova, Why was the humans spared when the citadel initiated the chain reaction? they seams to be ok, however the Normandy was almost destroyed by the wave of something that's far more dangerous than space magic. and this is a super nova.

Better arguement. If the relay supernova how does Shepard survive?

Good fight. Next

[GreyhameBioware]

killnoob wrote...

Once again, without a proper epilogue, this is all assumption, whether it's a new civilization or not.
Let's stick to what we do know:

1. The stargazer and the kid appear to be human and speak english
2. A significant amount of time has passed
3. Space travelling is possible/will be possible soon

Anything else is pure speculations.

However, their existence can tell us that even though the mass relays are done, people adopted and survived. Whether it's a new generation of people, or it's ME generation of people,  the galaxy is doing fine.

Life goes on.  But that doesn't mean you didn't destroy galactic civilization as you knew it for that to happen, just means the survivors eventually got things back in order.

[killnoob]

Arduous Wolf wrote...

killnoob wrote...

f you're a depressive person, you're gonna think everything will fked up. If you're optimistic like I am, you'll think everything work out for the best.

Its not about being optimistic or pessimistic, its about being realistic. Basically a lot of people are screwed. After investing years into the series I would have like the choice of a truely happy ending even if it wasn't considered canon.

When you're writing fiction

When you use a deus ex machina such as the Crucible

You cannot have a happy ending.

There needs to be sacrifices.


I agree with you, the endings need to have more variety.

But is the galaxy really that screwed base on the 'facts' you've collected?

The stargazer disagree.

[killnoob]

GreyhameBioware wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Once again, without a proper epilogue, this is all assumption, whether it's a new civilization or not.
Let's stick to what we do know:

1. The stargazer and the kid appear to be human and speak english
2. A significant amount of time has passed
3. Space travelling is possible/will be possible soon

Anything else is pure speculations.

However, their existence can tell us that even though the mass relays are done, people adopted and survived. Whether it's a new generation of people, or it's ME generation of people,  the galaxy is doing fine.

Life goes on.  But that doesn't mean you didn't destroy galactic civilization as you knew it for that to happen, just means the survivors eventually got things back in order.

It also doesn't mean the galactic civilization is destroyed.
Read the highlights again.

Whether it's old civilization, or new civilization, the galaxy moved on. 
So the relays getting destroyed really didn't make as big an impact as everyone else made them out to be, if there are survivors and they got things back in order.

[GM Jaken]

This entire thread is people reaching for straws. Can't we all bury what's dead and hug it out?

[TheRealMithril]

The 'starchild' is just a psychological representation of Shepards own memories. The catalyst doesn't have any form. Take the blue pill and Shepard replaces his position. Ironically, this is the only path to keep the ME universe as is, minus the relays. Synergy, now that path is just botched up beyond any kind of comment. Take the red pill and destroy all AI's. Aside from *that* being complete bull****, as a new robot can be built the very next day. The relays are as as important to the ME universe as the Force is to Star Wars. It is an identifying factor. Take it away and you have another, completely different, science fiction story. That's all well and good, except that I want to play Mass Effect.