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[Hudathan]

Just to clarify: the entirety of the galaxy is NOT stuck on or around Earth. For most of the races involved, only the troops they could spare showed up to the battle while most of their normal populations are back home hoping to see what the battle would bring. The only people who were there in force were probably the Quarians who militarized their entire people, but that could also be the device through which we get Turian troops their food since we know Quarians grow food on their ships. Anyone who's saying that it's a 'crap ending' because the entire galaxy is stuck in Sol is either plain wrong or arguing for the sake of it.

[MadCat221]

Hudathan wrote...

Just to clarify: the entirety of the galaxy is NOT stuck on or around Earth. For most of the races involved, only the troops they could spare showed up to the battle while most of their normal populations are back home hoping to see what the battle would bring. The only people who were there in force were probably the Quarians who militarized their entire people, but that could also be the device through which we get Turian troops their food since we know Quarians grow food on their ships. Anyone who's saying that it's a 'crap ending' because the entire galaxy is stuck in Sol is either plain wrong or arguing for the sake of it.

The main populations are back on their homeworlds... most of which have been devastated.

So yeah... massive inferred holocaust.

[SandTrout]

Galactic civilization is gone without the Mass Relays. Sorry, but this is honestly not something up for debate because it is simply a matter of infrastructure.

There is no longer the infrastructure to enable galactic-scale trade, communication, and politics. Because of this, all society will be reduced to being largely, if not completely, isolated to their local cluster of systems. Even if it is possible to get to other clusters, the time involved makes the trip infeasible as regular practice.

To claim that galactic civilization would persist is like saying that modern civilization would persist, but with travel times between nations comparable, or longer than, the 1600's. It simply wouldn't exist in a recognizable manner because of how the societies are ordered.

The Council cannot maintain itself as a coheasive nation because it would become too easy for any given system to separate and fracture off due to slow inter-stellar response times. Trade would collapse because it would take months to get an order.

[Foregone_Conclusion]

The fact the normandy gets damaged and crashes on a planet because the relays explode is proof enough that any system with a relay in it is destroyed. When the shot zooms out over the galaxy map, the shock waves that come from the relays are enormus.

That initial signal that takes out the reapers on earth couldn't possibly reach out through the whole galaxy. What better way to finalize the reapers defeat than destroy them completely through the destruction only a destroyed relay will produce.

[Hudathan]

MadCat221 wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Just to clarify: the entirety of the galaxy is NOT stuck on or around Earth. For most of the races involved, only the troops they could spare showed up to the battle while most of their normal populations are back home hoping to see what the battle would bring. The only people who were there in force were probably the Quarians who militarized their entire people, but that could also be the device through which we get Turian troops their food since we know Quarians grow food on their ships. Anyone who's saying that it's a 'crap ending' because the entire galaxy is stuck in Sol is either plain wrong or arguing for the sake of it.

The main populations are back on their homeworlds... most of which have been devastated.

So yeah... massive inferred holocaust.

Not inferred, already happened and in no way caused by the ending. Entire worlds were already destroyed by the Reapers and their populations lost. Everything hinged on the remaining fleets combining forces hoping that the Crucible did something positive which was a theme of the whole game. By the time the climax of the story happened, the galaxy was already a crappy place with an uncertain future. But for some reason people seem to think that it would be some blockbuster ending where our cycle was the first in millions of years to get it right and actually decide to work together and get some kind of Star Wars ending, therefore blaming the entire condition of the galaxy on the events of the final 15 minutes of the game which is just not what happened.

We have been repeatedly told how Reapers are not an enemy we can defeat conventionally and that for most of the species involved there may not even be a tomorrow. But thanks to Shepard, this cycle did not go extinct, the advanced species have been devastated but not destroyed at the whim of someone else, and life in the galaxy can now develop freely. This is a very appropriate ending to the theme of Mass Effect as a piece of science fiction, just not someone's own personal action movie which many people expected it to be.

Modifié par Hudathan, 13 mars 2012 - 01:57 .

[MerchantGOL]

SandTrout wrote...

Galactic civilization is gone without the Mass Relays. Sorry, but this is honestly not something up for debate because it is simply a matter of infrastructure.

There is no longer the infrastructure to enable galactic-scale trade, communication, and politics. Because of this, all society will be reduced to being largely, if not completely, isolated to their local cluster of systems. Even if it is possible to get to other clusters, the time involved makes the trip infeasible as regular practice.

To claim that galactic civilization would persist is like saying that modern civilization would persist, but with travel times between nations comparable, or longer than, the 1600's. It simply wouldn't exist in a recognizable manner because of how the societies are ordered.

The Council cannot maintain itself as a coheasive nation because it would become too easy for any given system to separate and fracture off due to slow inter-stellar response times. Trade would collapse because it would take months to get an order.

In the Control and Destory endings their will be a loot  ofdeactivated star ship that have proven to be able to take meer months to travel between systems, in the controll ending  those resources will be under controll of some one who can guide them  to be some good, in both endings the best and brightest of the galaxy are all in one place and will have the drive to creat a new solution, we know its not impossible for relays to be made the protheans did it.

the endings aren't as bleak as people make it out to be

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 13 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[GholaHalleck]

MerchantGOL wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Galactic civilization is gone without the Mass Relays. Sorry, but this is honestly not something up for debate because it is simply a matter of infrastructure.

There is no longer the infrastructure to enable galactic-scale trade, communication, and politics. Because of this, all society will be reduced to being largely, if not completely, isolated to their local cluster of systems. Even if it is possible to get to other clusters, the time involved makes the trip infeasible as regular practice.

To claim that galactic civilization would persist is like saying that modern civilization would persist, but with travel times between nations comparable, or longer than, the 1600's. It simply wouldn't exist in a recognizable manner because of how the societies are ordered.

The Council cannot maintain itself as a coheasive nation because it would become too easy for any given system to separate and fracture off due to slow inter-stellar response times. Trade would collapse because it would take months to get an order.

In the Control and Destory endings their will be a loot  ofdeactivated star ship that have proven to be able to take meer months to travel between systems, in the controll ending  those resources will be under controll of some one who can guide them  to be some good, in both endings the best and brightest of the galaxy are all in one place and will have the drive to creat a new solution, we know its not impossible for relays to be made the protheans did it.

the endings aren't as bleak as people make it out to be

the relays are Reaper tech. Everyone just thought the protheans made them. Javik corrects you on it a few times. it's all reaper tech. Control ending Control ending *might* mean the galaxy can eventually rebuild, but only if "reaper shep" is able to build/repair relays. Even then, you've still got rapers out there, just prowling around.

and it would mean that TiM was right.. and who wants that? 

[t_i_e_]

Much of the galaxy will starve to death. Also Imagine if you will that if the combustion engine was taken from us today instead of mass replays. We've built so much of our society around it to move people and product. If you lived on a farm you'd have food, but without a connection to manufacturers like China (etc) you'd have no equipment to work it for long. Technology and material would erode and you'd be back to just using hand tools made of wood and stone. Like wise china would largely starve cause they can't get enough food let alone materials to produce product to sell. The humanity would take hundreds or thousands of years to find some thing as or more efficient then the combustion engine.

[Ulicus]

GholaHalleck wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Galactic civilization is gone without the Mass Relays. Sorry, but this is honestly not something up for debate because it is simply a matter of infrastructure.

There is no longer the infrastructure to enable galactic-scale trade, communication, and politics. Because of this, all society will be reduced to being largely, if not completely, isolated to their local cluster of systems. Even if it is possible to get to other clusters, the time involved makes the trip infeasible as regular practice.

To claim that galactic civilization would persist is like saying that modern civilization would persist, but with travel times between nations comparable, or longer than, the 1600's. It simply wouldn't exist in a recognizable manner because of how the societies are ordered.

The Council cannot maintain itself as a coheasive nation because it would become too easy for any given system to separate and fracture off due to slow inter-stellar response times. Trade would collapse because it would take months to get an order.

In the Control and Destory endings their will be a loot  ofdeactivated star ship that have proven to be able to take meer months to travel between systems, in the controll ending  those resources will be under controll of some one who can guide them  to be some good, in both endings the best and brightest of the galaxy are all in one place and will have the drive to creat a new solution, we know its not impossible for relays to be made the protheans did it.

the endings aren't as bleak as people make it out to be

the relays are Reaper tech. Everyone just thought the protheans made them.

I assume he's referring to the fact the Protheans built the Conduit, which was a mini-Relay. So, yes, we know it's not impossible for new relays to be made, even with the Reapers gone.

Though god knows how long that would take.

[shepskisaac]

MammaenDin wrote...

Rocktel wrote...

A lot of people seem to be yelling about this. But it's just not the case. The Reapers were able to spread from where the Alpha Relay used to be without the use of a Mass Relay. Travel without Relays is very possible, its just slower. It'll just take a couple years to cross the galaxy now until new relays can be built.

Ashley mentions that an alliance ship can travel about 12 lightyears in one day. Given that the milky way is about 100 000 - 120 000 light years in diameter, it would take between 22 - 27 years to across the galaxy non-stop.

This does not take fuel/food/etc into consideration...

There IS technology to extract fuel, they can find food on planets they pass by. Seriously, it ain't that hard. Migrant Fleet wouldn't have much problems returning home, they have tech & know-how to do it. Yeah, it would probably take long, maybe even 50 years including gathering fuel/food resources to reach Rannoch, but that is still not that long. And Krogans for example would return to Tuchanka much much faster, probably only a couple of years since Krogan DMZ is very close to Local Cluster in galactic scale.

[Militarized]

Intergalactic travel is impossible in ME without the Relays guys, Nihilus says it at the beginning of the game.

Arrival DLC = supernova if they explode.. theres no information given otherwise.

Mass genocide, people isolated, GG.

[shepskisaac]

Militarized wrote...

Intergalactic travel is impossible in ME without the Relays guys, Nihilus says it at the beginning of the game.

It's not impossile, it's just impractical considering the time necessary. But without relays, it would be the only way to return home. And frankly, wouldn't take that much time for Krogans for example, considering Tuchanka's relative proximity to Local Cluster on galactic scale.

Militarized wrote...

Arrival DLC = supernova if they explode.. theres no information given otherwise. 

Apart from the "tiny" fact that there're no supernovas when Relays explode in ME3.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 22 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[brian_breed]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

Take several years to travel the galaxy? Good luck with that because they'll run out of fuel before they even reach their destination. Normandy gets zapped of its fairly quickly.

This. People keep forgetting that eezo is a RARE COMMODITY in the Mass Effect universe. That's what your "fuel" is whenever you travel between solar systems in different clusters. And, since you couldn't pilot the Normandy to the next star cluster without refueling - and since the Normandy is a frigate - we can effectively rule out long-distance travel for all sapients.

From the Codex:

Eezo is generated when solid matter, such as a planet, is affected by the energy of a star going supernova. The material is common in the asteroid debris that orbits neutron stars and pulsars. These are dangerous places to mine, requiring extensive use of robotics, telepresence, and shielding to survive the intense radiation from the dead star. Only a few major corporations can afford the set-up costs required to work these primary sources. 

The Reapers decimated the infrastructre of Earth, as well as every other hub world they visited. FTL = a no-go without reverse-engineering the blown-up relays.

[Oakshire]

The one indication I've seen that ME3 Ending Relay Explosions =/= ME2 Arrival DLC Explosion is...

The Destroy ending where the N7 armor takes a "breath" would have never happened - the planet would have been vaporized.

[Halo Quea]

Any system that had a relay was destroyed, it's just that simple. If it weren't so then the Normandy would have never needed to escape the shockwave/blast radius.

Just common sense and logic.

[shepskisaac]

Halo Quea wrote...

Any system that had a relay was destroyed, it's just that simple. If it weren't so then the Normandy would have never needed to escape the shockwave/blast radius.

Just common sense and logic.

If it's common sense and logic, then Shepard wouldn't be able to survive because Earth/Citadel he wakes up in in the best Destroy ending would've been vaporized