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[lasertank]

 www.computerandvideogames.com/339608/features/mass-effect-3s-ending-why-the-backlash-is-idiotic-but-inevitable/

[Avissel]

It's about like the Kotaku article. It contains no discussion of WHY people are upset, it's just assumes we are whining.

[detroitmechworks]

Short Version: Fans disagree with the Critics. Critics are better people. Therefore The Critics are right and the fans are wrong. Shut up now.

[Adamantium93]

I dont care what names they call us. If I get my alternate endings, I'll be happy.

Besides, Forbes supports us, and forbes is bigger than any of the naysayers I've seen.

Modifié par Adamantium93, 12 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Good, intelligent thought right there.

Moron.

[lasertank]

Quote from it:

"but I also hope Bioware takes no notice of it. The fact the response has been so, well, visceral, counts for more than any of the innumerable rewards Mass Effect 3 will hoover up this year. There's no higher accolade than creating something people care so much about that it makes them furious."

[Avissel]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Short Version: Fans disagree with the Critics. Critics are better people. Therefore The Critics are right and the fans are wrong. Shut up now.

It's not even that really. Reading this and the article on Kotaku it's more like "They are upset because they want to be upset and think they are entitled to have in end their way."


I dont think I deserve a better ending, I think the series does.

[Youmu]

If there's no way to please everyone, let's make an ending that pisses up (almost) everyone!

Yup.

[raeting]

Going to be interesting to see if they circle the wagons or start a discussion.

[Taleroth]

He says he felt the endings were a perfect conclusion of the choices of the series. He then focuses on the fact that people get upset when things end.

I can respect disagreement. I can't respect dismissal.

Yes, many people would have likely been upset at an ending. Or in denial that it ended. But that's not an excuse to ignore quality of the ending.

Modifié par Taleroth, 12 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[jimmyw404]

I wonder how much CVG got paid to write a strawman article.

[syllogi]

lasertank wrote...

Quote from it:

"but I also hope Bioware takes no notice of it. The fact the response has been so, well, visceral, counts for more than any of the innumerable rewards Mass Effect 3 will hoover up this year. There's no higher accolade than creating something people care so much about that it makes them furious."

Actually, I believe that all of these fans raving about a well written, logical, emotional ending WOULD in fact, be a higher accolade.

But, ya know, I'm not a "Gaming Journalist"...so what do I know about such things.  

[jbajcar]

detroitmechworks wrote...

Short Version: Fans disagree with the Critics. Critics are better people. Therefore The Critics are right and the fans are wrong. Shut up now.

Pretty much this. lol 

[The Angry One]

Doesn't matter if they're paid or not, they're hacks who state their opinion as fact and disregard that not all fans will see it as they do.

[Ieldra]

I say the man has a point. After reading some of the more radical propositions here, I'm getting convinced that any major change would be a lot worse that we've got. I'd settle for a written epilogue for each ending that shows how the galaxy fares after Shepard's decision. And please make it hopeful.

This hallucination theory is such a load of bullsh*t. It would destroy everything that's beautiful about the endings. We don't need major change. We may need some minor adjustment, but mostly we just need a presentation that evokes more positive emotions.

[jcmccorm]

The article strikes me as fishing for pageviews. I have to wonder if he has more incentive to be correct, or more incentive to say something controversial that will get a lot of people looking and drive up ad revenue. Near zero analysis.

[Dap Brannigan]

You do realize by posting the link here, you're letting people click on it and giving the guy traffic? Which is why people write hack opinionated articles that ****** people off.

Don't even bother reading it.

[Zerohero17]

Avissel wrote...

detroitmechworks wrote...

Short Version: Fans disagree with the Critics. Critics are better people. Therefore The Critics are right and the fans are wrong. Shut up now.

It's not even that really. Reading this and the article on Kotaku it's more like "They are upset because they want to be upset and think they are entitled to have in end their way."


I dont think I deserve a better ending, I think the series does.

This and OwenGoods attitude is allways a charm(sarcasm)
, do you think the reapers influence from the are getting to them?[Do not aswear thatB)]

[AartB]

i hate how everyone that does like the ending automaticly claim its because we didnt get our 'perfect' ending. its not that at all almost no story has an absolute perfect ending. but this ending ruins the series as a whole not just our feelings towards it

[Araghol]

Avissel wrote...

It's about like the Kotaku article. It contains no discussion of WHY people are upset, it's just assumes we are whining.

Kotaku sucks so bad.. I could never stomach any of their articles. Their readerbase is not much more compelling either.. to say the least.

If you check out the comments section in that article you're talking about, no one is discussing it. No one is even talking about Mass Effect. They immediately started talking about JRPG's and began arguing over it.

That is what happens when you build a site from the ground-up to be nothing more than a gossip-pit of incendiary adhominem rants. You turn your readerbase into unfocused mind-numbing twits, or you simply just attract them.

Nothing constructive or interesting ever happens on Kotaku. It's like the Hollywood Rag (celebrity gossip mags) of the video-game scene.

Modifié par Araghol, 12 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[lasertank]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I say the man has a point. After reading some of the more radical propositions here, I'm getting convinced that any major change would be a lot worse that we've got. I'd settle for a written epilogue for each ending that shows how the galaxy fares after Shepard's decision. And please make it hopeful.

This hallucination theory is such a load of bullsh*t. It would destroy everything that's beautiful about the endings. We don't need major change. We may need some minor adjustment, but mostly we just need a presentation that evokes more positive emotions.

Even an epilogue would be better. But the man said he wishes that Bioware would not take any actions towards this.

[lasertank]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

You do realize by posting the link here, you're letting people click on it and giving the guy traffic? Which is why people write hack opinionated articles that ****** people off.

Don't even bother reading it.

Point taken.

[BrotherFluffy]

My problem is he doesn't do any proper, y'know, RESEARCH like a good journalist is supposed to. He just assumes we're all whining because "we didn't get our Disney ending." If he spent 5 minutes browsing the forums, he'd realize it's for a wide variety of reasons, with a non-Disney ending being relatively low on that list. But hey, why let the truth get in the way of a good story?

[Rafe34]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I say the man has a point. After reading some of the more radical propositions here, I'm getting convinced that any major change would be a lot worse that we've got. I'd settle for a written epilogue for each ending that shows how the galaxy fares after Shepard's decision. And please make it hopeful.

This hallucination theory is such a load of bullsh*t. It would destroy everything that's beautiful about the endings. We don't need major change. We may need some minor adjustment, but mostly we just need a presentation that evokes more positive emotions.

What exactly is beautiful about the endings?

The quarians and Turian fleets are both going to starve to death without the relays to get them back to their homeworlds.

For some reason, an energy pulse which lets you control the reapers, destroy the reapers, or use space magic to fuse all organic and synthetic life takes down the Normandy.

For some reason, Joker is running away.

For some reason, Garrus was on the ship with him, even though he was with me 10 minutes prior when Harbinger hit us with that laser beam.

The hallucination theory doesn't fix everything, but it does fix most of the glaring issues with the ending, assuming it also invokes a different ending.

[Huyna]

lasertank wrote...

 www.computerandvideogames.com/339608/features/mass-effect-3s-ending-why-the-backlash-is-idiotic-but-inevitable/

Or, that is just so sweet. To bad my english is poor, so i can not express fully HOW sweet it is.


Let's ignore the preposterousness of how it would be actually implemented

Yeah ,let's ingore Broken Steel for Fallout 3 and great add-on for Neverwinter Nights 2.

There's a depressing line of commentary doing the rounds at the moment
that seeks to paint the gaming community as a bunch of self-entitled
whingers

A professional strikes back! Self-entitled whingers, <censored> yeah!

When The Sopranos ended after six incredible seasons

Let's repeat it all together - A tv-sereis is not the same as  interactive rpg video game, that boasts a non-linear-full-of-choice story mode. 

your ending in Mass Effect 3 is going to be partial and ambiguous too.

Mass Effect IS NOT Solaris. Or Odyssey 2001. Mass Effect is fun-western-in-space, sci-fi action movie,  with cool sheriff Sheppard and his battle horse called Normandy.

Ultimately I understand the reaction of the fans

No, you do not

There's no higher accolade than creating something people care so much about that it makes them furious.

People are feeling betrayed.
And you know what? They are.
And, btw. Sheppard is betrayed also.  Our Sheppard. As Bioware claimed once.
And, worst off all, you tuned him into a liar too.
Sheppard made promisses, that he/she will never furfill.
Because there will be no blue children with Liara. She will grow old on unknown planer and watch her frineds die, one by one.
Beause there will be no beach-view house for Tali and her captain, on qurian homeworld. 
Because  Ashley Williams, that mourn captain for two years, will mourn him again.
Because  Jack, that obatined new strength and hope from captain, will lose it along with him.

Yeah. what an awesome closure.