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[DXLelouch15]

Bioware need to be reminded who pays their bills
the cancellation of TOR accounts will only get worse before it gets better

[Zyrious]

Bioware: Rudimentary Fans of blood and flesh. You touch our minds, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Bioware: There is a realm of creative thought so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. We are beyond your comprehension. We are Bioware.

Bioware: We impose order on the chaos of multiple choices. You play as shepard because we allow it, and he will end because we demand it.

Bioware: Your words are as empty as your future. We are the vanguard of your gaming future. This exchange is over.

[Siegdrifa]

Wattoes wrote...

When you need to "explain" your ending, you know you've screwed up pretty bad.

hahahaha, this is exactly what told me one of my old teacher in at school : " if you need to explain your work to justify it, then you failed. "

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 12 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[Wattoes]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Wattoes wrote...

When you need to "explain" your ending, you know you've screwed up pretty bad.

hahahaha, this is exactly what told me one of my old teacher in at school : " if you need to explain your work to justify it, then you failed. "

Seriously.  I mean its common sense.

Apparently ME was supposed to ship with an extra piece of paper in the case with a website address and a date to check it out.  This would allow you to find out what happened in the game you just paid 60 bucks for, or how its actually supposed to make sense.

FANTASTIC DESIGN.

Modifié par Wattoes, 12 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[xeNNN]

Ludica wrote...

Good luck trying to explain THIS. 

I hate pointing people to my thread every time i post, but i guess it's better than copypasting the OP of it every time.

haha yeah ive seen your posts around the forum  ARRRR  there be a pattern on the horizon captain!

[Kandon Arc]

Let's be honest here, we know how BW will respond: "We were disappointed by the response of a section of the fanbase. We tried hard to make an ending that would appeal to most people, but you can't please everyone. We hope fans continue to enjoy the ME universe through our exciting upcoming DLC!"

[xeNNN]

Zyrious wrote...

Bioware: Rudimentary Fans of blood and flesh. You touch our minds, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Bioware: There is a realm of creative thought so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. We are beyond your comprehension. We are Bioware.

Bioware: We impose order on the chaos of multiple choices. You play as shepard because we allow it, and he will end because we demand it.

Bioware: Your words are as empty as your future. We are the vanguard of your gaming future. This exchange is over.

lmfao. oh lord that was fun to read :')

[kirashepard]

Why would you cancel SWTOR because the ending of ME3 wasn't what you wanted? I enjoy playing my Imperial Agent...now more than ever to get my mind off of my dead Shepard. *cry*
Just saying.

[Aedan276]

kirashepard wrote...

Why would you cancel SWTOR because the ending of ME3 wasn't what you wanted? I enjoy playing my Imperial Agent...now more than ever to get my mind off of my dead Shepard. *cry*
Just saying.

Because Bioware needs to feel the consequences of outrageous disappointment spilling into all of their assets.

Modifié par Aedan276, 12 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[MattFini]

Kandon Arc wrote...

Let's be honest here, we know how BW will respond: "We were disappointed by the response of a section of the fanbase. We tried hard to make an ending that would appeal to most people, but you can't please everyone. We hope fans continue to enjoy the ME universe through our exciting upcoming DLC!"

That's not going to work here.

[xeNNN]

Kandon Arc wrote...

Let's be honest here, we know how BW will respond: "We were disappointed by the response of a section of the fanbase. We tried hard to make an ending that would appeal to most people, but you can't please everyone. We hope fans continue to enjoy the ME universe through our exciting upcoming DLC!"

yep i can see this happening especially with them being owned by EA now. 
its pathetic really that such a large part of the fanbase is angry and upset and they would probably just brush us a side.

but that wont be good enough, not here anyway, they wont brush us a side like theyve done to so many other communities (EA i mean)  we will not be silenced by corperate bullcrap! 

Modifié par xeNNN, 12 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[xeNNN]

Aedan276 wrote...

kirashepard wrote...

Why would you cancel SWTOR because the ending of ME3 wasn't what you wanted? I enjoy playing my Imperial Agent...now more than ever to get my mind off of my dead Shepard. *cry*
Just saying.

Because Bioware needs to feel the consequences of outrageous disappointment spilling into all of their assets.

exactly, we paid for there product they need to know theyve messed up! 

[Smirkeh]

xeNNN wrote...

Kandon Arc wrote...

Let's be honest here, we know how BW will respond: "We were disappointed by the response of a section of the fanbase. We tried hard to make an ending that would appeal to most people, but you can't please everyone. We hope fans continue to enjoy the ME universe through our exciting upcoming DLC!"

yep i can see this happening especially with them being owned by EA now. 
its pathetic really that such a large part of the fanbase is angry and upset and they would probably just brush us a side.

but that wont be good enough, not here anyway, they wont brush us a side like theyve done to so many other communities (EA i mean)  we will not be silenced by corperate bullcrap! 

It's overly saddening they went along with EA, of all people. I myself rarely play EA games. (must admit I am a Sims gamer as well) And frankly their company is faltering with sending out buggy games as well as ignoring most of their fan base (it's my opinion anyways). It's not just the endings that flopped and made people roll in their graves. It's the fact that even some of the War Asset side quests are so buggy you can't continue them... therefore you must play multiplayer in order to get the 'best' ending.... Though I will pay for DLC if it means I can get a better ending....

[sumo390]

xeNNN wrote...

Kandon Arc wrote...

Let's be honest here, we know how BW will respond: "We were disappointed by the response of a section of the fanbase. We tried hard to make an ending that would appeal to most people, but you can't please everyone. We hope fans continue to enjoy the ME universe through our exciting upcoming DLC!"

yep i can see this happening especially with them being owned by EA now. 
its pathetic really that such a large part of the fanbase is angry and upset and they would probably just brush us a side.

but that wont be good enough, not here anyway, they wont brush us a side like theyve done to so many other communities (EA i mean)  we will not be silenced by corperate bullcrap! 

They got their money, they don't need us. Hopefully this comes back to bite them in the future.

[kirashepard]

BW did an amazing job as usual with ME3's gameplay, graphics, and making you feel emotionally connected to crew and character, whether it was bad or good. That's really rare. IMO, they don't deserve to be boycotted after providing everyone with an incredible experience in the past years. No, I'm not happy with the ending(s) of ME3, but that's not going to stop me from loving the other games BW has given us. I want a new ending too, but I'm still damn proud to wear my N7 shirt and jacket.

[Rafe Sendron]

Kandon Arc wrote...

Let's be honest here, we know how BW will respond: "We were disappointed by the response of a section of the fanbase. We tried hard to make an ending that would appeal to most people, but you can't please everyone. We hope fans continue to enjoy the ME universe through our exciting upcoming DLC!"

Yeah, I agree with this.  It's Bioware guys.....the best we'll get is a canned line about "some disappointment from a small section of the fanbase..."  Meanwhile they'll keep pumping out pre-end DLC and multiplayer maps and think they are doing the fans a favor.  I have no faith anymore.

[HKR148]

kirashepard wrote...

BW did an amazing job as usual with ME3's gameplay, graphics, and making you feel emotionally connected to crew and character, whether it was bad or good. That's really rare. IMO, they don't deserve to be boycotted after providing everyone with an incredible experience in the past years. No, I'm not happy with the ending(s) of ME3, but that's not going to stop me from loving the other games BW has given us. I want a new ending too, but I'm still damn proud to wear my N7 shirt and jacket.

They've been screwing up games lately. Alot of us have witnessed it and there were some signs of decline on their part as well. Mass Effect 3 was supposed to be their redemption; that's why so many of us had our hopes high. Instead they messed it up again. At least for me there's limitation to how much you can trust certain... organization.

Modifié par HKR148, 12 mars 2012 - 06:41 .

[Bob3terd]

Ive said it elsewhere and ill say it here, if you not speaking a foreign language and you need interpreting then its probably because you didnt make sense in the first place.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Caz Neerg wrote...

logan23tom78 wrote...

"We have circa. 30,000 people coming out saying that the endings are flawed factually and logically."

From a money stand point, let's say there are many more then 30,000 upset about the ending but they don't go forums they simply don't end up buying any DLC.

Now lets say content DLC like an Omega one is $10.

And say the 30,000 don't buy DLC which if the ending was good,..would have....
that's a lost of $300,000 on just one DLC...now if there are 200,000 people who are a mix of forum and non forum but upset over the ending= they won't buy DLC just because they see no point due to the ending...they are looking at a lost of.... 2 million dollars ...lets say 1 million if you use 100,000 as the pool of players who would have bought content DLC like Omega if the ending was good.

This is just on one DLC content. ...now lets say there are 3 DLC contents like Omega being built now...Your looking at a lost of 3-6 million dollars in loses.

The smart business model is to release what they can call a Director's edition patch which puts in and fixes the ending....

What Bioware has to remember people are not going to buy DLC based on protest,..they are not going to buy because emotionally they feel what is the point.

And I'm one of those who would have bought and wants to but emotionally i feel with the present endings i just can't.

Speaking as someone who has bought every DLC for every BioWare game, always gets the collector's edition, has both Dragon Age and Dragon Age: Ultimate Edition, and a six month subscription to TOR, I couldn't agree more.  With the current endings, there is really no point to purchasing any DLC unless we see a change.  There is no point, unless you enjoy the MP on it's merits, in engaging in it to increase your galactic readiness, because the only characters in any way impacted by which ending you get are faceless NPCs.  We see what happens to those we actually care about, and it is the same in every ending.

I'm having a hard time even going back and seeing how my different Shepards' past decisions impact the bulk of ME3, because awareness of the fundamentally nihilistic ending is hanging over my head, tainting everything I do.  The choice they made could have been good art, in a franchise that was dominated by fatalism and determinism from the very start.  Pretty much the exact same endings actually did work in the Deus Ex series.  They would fit wonderfully in a Riddick game.  But they just aren't consistent with the other 100+ hours of Mass Effect.  And even if they did make artistic sense, they are a colossal mistake from a business standpoint.  As you say, how the hell do they expect to sell DLC now?

I hear you.

The difference with Deus Ex is that it is Cyberpunk. DX is about a pre-singularity human society coming on the cusp of transhumanism - not whether tech. singularity should take place, but how. There is no talk about EVIL AIs because all good cyberpunk recognizes that that notion of moral machines is pretty stupid. Even the most villanous AIs are simply logic taken to an inhuman extreme, but they're never actually evil. Ultimately, DX doesn't have evil robots out to destroy all life, nor is technology ever viewed as inherently evil (only the ethics of how to use technology is ever questioned).

Mass Effect is a space opera, so it's a pastiche of everything. Also, galactic society in ME happens to already be post-singularity - cyborgs and sythetics are already everywhere (biotic implant, bionic prosthetics, omni-tools, VIs, etc.). AIs just happen to be illegal tech, not unknown tech. Hell, many characters are textbook cyborgs (Shep, Garrus, etc.). Moreover, synthetics in ME demonstrate moral thinking (Sov, Harby, Catalyst, EDI and the Geth all make normative statements about morality and values), and some clearly choose Evil (Sov, Harby, Catalyst & that weird computer/bomb from ME1), while others clearly choose good (EDI & the Geth). So really, the conflict in ME is not about 'how technology should be worked into society', it's about straight-up Good vs Evil. So the attempt to make ME3 end off with a transhuman dilemna, especially one posed by a cybernetic Villan (Catalyst) to a cybernetic Hero (Shep) is totally stupid.

[meiiska]

whine, whine, whine.. i wont buy another product from bioware again.. seriously, grow up.. so far, all you people are doing is ****ing and not even wondering about the endings.. no one is questioning the visions or dreams shep had throughout the game.. after reading some of the codex's today on lunch.. he was def under indoctrination and harbringer was trying to force him to pick either control or combine, harbringer couldnt risk shep actually destroying the reapers.. also, just look at the last 30 minutes of the game and not just whats on screen, listen to the background noises, oh noes, is that harbringer in the background talking?!?! god, peoples critical thinking skills have gone right out the door..

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

kirashepard wrote...

Why would you cancel SWTOR because the ending of ME3 wasn't what you wanted? I enjoy playing my Imperial Agent...now more than ever to get my mind off of my dead Shepard. *cry*
Just saying.

Cancelled it because I feel ripped off and don't want to give the company any more of my money.

[BitterGrin]

DXLelouch15 wrote...

Bioware need to be reminded who pays their bills
the cancellation of TOR accounts will only get worse before it gets better

I cancelled mine yesterday, and cited the terrible endings of Mass Effect 3 as the reason.

[Lambda Diamond]

proper ending or nothing!
https://www.facebook...ngToMassEffect3

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

meiiska wrote...

whine, whine, whine.. i wont buy another product from bioware again.. seriously, grow up.. so far, all you people are doing is ****ing and not even wondering about the endings.. no one is questioning the visions or dreams shep had throughout the game.. after reading some of the codex's today on lunch.. he was def under indoctrination and harbringer was trying to force him to pick either control or combine, harbringer couldnt risk shep actually destroying the reapers.. also, just look at the last 30 minutes of the game and not just whats on screen, listen to the background noises, oh noes, is that harbringer in the background talking?!?! god, peoples critical thinking skills have gone right out the door..

Your grasping at straws.  I understand you don't want to accept that Bioware just kicked you in the nuts, but Bioware never includes a CORRECT choice.  Choices always allow equal opportunity of victory in their games.

Modifié par Atraiyu Wrynn, 12 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[count_4]

AresXX7 wrote...
I'm more curious as to why it's going to take them approximately two weeks to make an announcement. It seems like a rather long time to do so IMO.

Because they want to make sure most players finished ME3 before unlocking the final act.