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[JamesYHT]

LostHero2k9 wrote...

Pffff i don't want a statement from bioware explaining why they think the endings are okay.

I want a statement telling me whether or not we can expect a fix.
And if so, when it will come and if not thanks for the informations so i can move on looking for another franchise for the nex few years.

agree.

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[paynesgrey]

Zyrious wrote...

Bioware: Rudimentary Fans of blood and flesh. You touch our minds, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Bioware: There is a realm of creative thought so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. We are beyond your comprehension. We are Bioware.

Bioware: We impose order on the chaos of multiple choices. You play as shepard because we allow it, and he will end because we demand it.

Bioware: Your words are as empty as your future. We are the vanguard of your gaming future. This exchange is over.

Pure gold.

[Fireclown2020]

LOL! This makes me really laugh. You know there is a serious problem when you have to explain the endings of your own game. I wonder what the Money Investors are thinking right at this moment.

Money Investors: Are you sure people are going to like the game?

Dev: Yeah, no worries!

Money Investors: WTF! You killed the franchise?

Dev: Don't worry, we can explain it!

I would love to be a fly on the wall in that metting room. ;p

[Jadebaby]

Zyrious wrote...

Bioware: Rudimentary Fans of blood and flesh. You touch our minds, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Bioware: There is a realm of creative thought so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. We are beyond your comprehension. We are Bioware.

Bioware: We impose order on the chaos of multiple choices. You play as shepard because we allow it, and he will end because we demand it.

Bioware: Your words are as empty as your future. We are the vanguard of your gaming future. This exchange is over.

lol this.

[paynesgrey]

Fireclown2020 wrote...

LOL! This makes me really laugh. You know there is a serious problem when you have to explain the endings of your own game. I wonder what the Money Investors are thinking right at this moment.

Money Investors: Are you sure people are going to like the game?

Dev: Yeah, no worries!

Money Investors: WTF! You killed the franchise?

Dev: Don't worry, we can explain it!

I would love to be a fly on the wall in that metting room. ;p

Not even so much "explaining then ending" so much as "trying to convince people the ending was good and they just didn't realize that."  Like George Lucas & Jar Jar, or the guys that did The Sopranos.

I expect the "announcement" will be like an over-intellectualized version of a little kid telling a joke, then explaining why it's really funny, with the pro forma and insincere  "we value all of our customers opinions."

I would dearly love to be proven wrong.  I'll print these words out and eat them with joy if I am.

[Tequila Man]

BIOWARE: MAKE ENDING DLC. TAKE MY MONEY.

[DigitalMaster37]

kirashepard wrote...

BW did an amazing job as usual with ME3's gameplay, graphics, and making you feel emotionally connected to crew and character, whether it was bad or good. That's really rare. IMO, they don't deserve to be boycotted after providing everyone with an incredible experience in the past years. No, I'm not happy with the ending(s) of ME3, but that's not going to stop me from loving the other games BW has given us. I want a new ending too, but I'm still damn proud to wear my N7 shirt and jacket.

^this. When the smoke finally clears many people will think differently. I do think that depends on how well bioware fixes this issue though. The ending needs to be fixed, simple as that. All told though, the ME series is still my favorite and Bioware deserves credit for their hard work, they jut simply needs to fix this endin which was a small blight on an otherwise fantastic piece of art

[Valo_Soren]

They aren't going to 'fix' anything, you are all naive to think they will do so.

[Frocharocha]

Bioware: Rudimentary Fans of blood and flesh. You touch our minds, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Bioware: There is a realm of creative thought so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. We are beyond your comprehension. We are Bioware.

Bioware: We impose order on the chaos of multiple choices. You play as shepard because we allow it, and he will end because we demand it.

Bioware: Your words are as empty as your future. We are the vanguard of your gaming future. This exchange is over.

This needs a vid. I looled.

[Caz Neerg]

Valo_Soren wrote...

They aren't going to 'fix' anything, you are all naive to think they will do so.

So what you are saying is BioWare cares less about player choice and customer satisfaction than Bethesda does?  If the makers of the truly atrocious, almost entirely devoid of meaningful choice Fallout 3 can see that they made a mistake and retcon the ending, why shouldn't we have faith that BioWare can do the same?

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Where did you guys hear about this announcement?

[Fireclown2020]

paynesgrey wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

LOL! This makes me really laugh. You know there is a serious problem when you have to explain the endings of your own game. I wonder what the Money Investors are thinking right at this moment.

Money Investors: Are you sure people are going to like the game?

Dev: Yeah, no worries!

Money Investors: WTF! You killed the franchise?

Dev: Don't worry, we can explain it!

I would love to be a fly on the wall in that metting room. ;p

Not even so much "explaining then ending" so much as "trying to convince people the ending was good and they just didn't realize that."  Like George Lucas & Jar Jar, or the guys that did The Sopranos.

I expect the "announcement" will be like an over-intellectualized version of a little kid telling a joke, then explaining why it's really funny, with the pro forma and insincere  "we value all of our customers opinions."

I would dearly love to be proven wrong.  I'll print these words out and eat them with joy if I am.

LOL, I don't think you will need to worry about paper cuts on yout tongue.  However if you are wrong I will expect to find a link to a youtube video of you printing and eating the page.

[Aedan276]

Valo_Soren wrote...

They aren't going to 'fix' anything, you are all naive to think they will do so.

Probably not, but we'll see. 

[madestro]

Smirkeh wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

Kandon Arc wrote...

Let's be honest here, we know how BW will respond: "We were disappointed by the response of a section of the fanbase. We tried hard to make an ending that would appeal to most people, but you can't please everyone. We hope fans continue to enjoy the ME universe through our exciting upcoming DLC!"

yep i can see this happening especially with them being owned by EA now. 
its pathetic really that such a large part of the fanbase is angry and upset and they would probably just brush us a side.

but that wont be good enough, not here anyway, they wont brush us a side like theyve done to so many other communities (EA i mean)  we will not be silenced by corperate bullcrap! 

It's overly saddening they went along with EA, of all people. I myself rarely play EA games. (must admit I am a Sims gamer as well) And frankly their company is faltering with sending out buggy games as well as ignoring most of their fan base (it's my opinion anyways). It's not just the endings that flopped and made people roll in their graves. It's the fact that even some of the War Asset side quests are so buggy you can't continue them... therefore you must play multiplayer in order to get the 'best' ending.... Though I will pay for DLC if it means I can get a better ending....

Yes I agree it is not just the ending that killed it for me. I busted my ass off to get every war asset I could to get the damn green bar near full, yet I have to play MP to get the "best" ending possible, why ? I don't like MP, if I did then I would play CoD or whatever other WWII FPS is out there and not ME.
The whole final mission was horrible, you have all your squadmates fully upgraded and balanced and you don't get to send them anywhere ? It can be done since they did it in the ME2's final mission. Why can't I send Tali with a batallion of Geth primes to divert the Reapers ? Why don't I get the chance to take control of EDI and the Normandy in space and shoot some Harbingers down ? How about sending someone to help Anderson out ? Maybe my LI would pick me up and come with me to the Citadel ? How did Anderson get there before me ? If he's already there why in hell is he calling me ? And those are just some rudimentary examples of the top of my head.
In ME2's final mission you had to carefully plan ahead if you wanted to keep everyone alive in the end, have a tech specialist to infiltrate defenses, have squad leaders to divert fire, hell I even sent Mordin to watch over the crew !
I thought ME3 would take it a step further and allow you to take direct control of a squadmate that you send on another mission, or use EDI directly and help joker defend the Crucible.
And the worst of the worst, NO HARBINGER FIGHT !!! WTF !!!! All I've waited for over the course of the whole ME saga is to see what Harbinger and Tali really look like, who exactly was the boss in ME3 ? The illusive man ? One shot and he died ? ROFL. In ME1 a good battle with Saren and in ME2 an awesome cover and shoot battle with the proto-reaper and in ME3 ? Point and shoot with one click illusive man. L A M E
And the love scene ????? What in living hell ??? A photoshopped picture of Tali ?? Really Bioware ? Really ? How did she take that picture without her suit ? Where did she take it ? When ? Why if she said she got "used" to sheppard and doesn't get sick anymore can't I see her whole body and face in the love scene ????
The missions on Rannoch and Tuchanka were epic and full of life or death choices, yet when you get to Thessia is just a linear progression and Cerberus kicks your ass without you being able to do anything about it, ok I'll buy that but how about saving some troops ? How about letting me choose to pursue Kai Leng or save some Asari Matriarchs stranded on the planet ??? Damm it !!! This game was supposed to be about choices !!!!
What's the point of all these different war assets if I can't see them in the final battle ?? I wanted to see Jack in the front lines, Grunt charging with Jacob at his side, Samara leading a group of justicar commandos of Morinth destroying banshees left and right, Kasumi leading a group of STG salarians to bomb a reaper within and Miranda leading the Cerberus rogue forces against the reapers.
Why did I saved the Rachni ? Where did they go in the final push ? If I had killed them I would've gotten the same damn scenes.
So much wasted potential in this game, it seems after Rannoch someone said, "Let's get this game out quick so we can make money now !" and Bioware just decided to make everything linear.
I thought war assets would replace the loyalty thing to determine who lives and dies, like if I didn't do any N7 missions then Jacob would die in a final push or if I made Jack's troops go on the front lines to see her die trying to protect them.
At the end it seemed all those choices in side missions meant ****, hell I didn't even get to see the krogan riding khakilosaurus in battle !!! Why did I do that citadel mission then ? Where did you see the blue suns fighting ? Why did I help Aria with that ? Maybe Zaeed and Aria could have led the mercs in a battle and let us see it ?
This game was a major major dissapointment in the end and thus I will play a bit of MP to get my moneys worth and will never touch it again. I even got a 7 day trial for TOR but it looks like that is the only 7 days I'll play that and of course I will NOT buy any DLC released for this game and hope everyone does the same so Bioware realizes how much they screwed up.
The only way Bioware will learn is if they get hit where it counts, in the wallet. They don't give a crap about our sadness or opinions because we already game them 60 or more dollars so I say let's nto give them anymore !! Not one more penny and give the word out so people still deciding to buy ME3 waits until it's $10 at amazon downloads !!! Only if the sorrow is reflected in sales will EA and Bioware pay any attention.

[jijeebo]

Tequila Man wrote...

BIOWARE: MAKE ENDING DLC. TAKE MY MONEY.

Breaks my heart to have to admit it... But I would totally buy a "Alternate Ending Pack" for a tenner, because spending £70 on the N7 edition obviously wasn't enough to get me a proper ending. 

[ChaosMarky]

C'mon guys, you have to understand that DEVs enter this contract-silence phase where they can't discuss fresh ideas right out of the bat. I'm pretty sure by the end of the month, they'll do more than just "comment". They'll probably have an explanation and a plan underway.

We just have to stay patient.

[TheAsphodel]

I'm just curious...and I have zero financial experience...but shouldn't we be seeing something good happen to EA in the stock market after a release of a AAA title? Because if not, maybe it'll be something more than a comment.

[jijeebo]

ChaosMarky wrote...

C'mon guys, you have to understand that DEVs enter this contract-silence phase where they can't discuss fresh ideas right out of the bat. I'm pretty sure by the end of the month, they'll do more than just "comment". They'll probably have an explanation and a plan underway.

We just have to stay patient.

I admire your optimism, I'm so bummed out I'm half expecting Bioware to turn around and say "Buy the Omega DLC to improve your war asset rating and get a BETTER ENDING!!1!" just for it to be the same ending with four seconds of Aria sitting smugly in her club tacked on the end.

Modifié par jijeebo, 12 mars 2012 - 07:23 .

[Dridengx]

Wattoes wrote...

When you need to "explain" your ending, you know you've screwed up pretty bad.

Or the 'fans' are so low in IQ they can't understand something that flew over their head.. You do have to realize this game is on the Xbox 360 and many purchased this game for the Sci Fi and action not for the lore or depth. The comments I've read and seen by the protestors make me believe this is the case.  Bioware's new 'fans' are less inclined then those of the BG and NWN era. They want simple things but their way

Modifié par Dridengx, 12 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[HKR148]

Dridengx wrote...

Wattoes wrote...

When you need to "explain" your ending, you know you've screwed up pretty bad.

Or the 'fans' are so low in IQ they can't understand something that flew over their head.. which is what I'm thinking judging by reactions and comments I've read from those protesting the ending

So the teachers who give you F for writing a piece that is full of problems regardless of its literature category must be dumb because they can't fill in the whole by themselves.

[TheAsphodel]

Dridengx wrote...

Wattoes wrote...

When you need to "explain" your ending, you know you've screwed up pretty bad.

Or the 'fans' are so low in IQ they can't understand something that flew over their head.. which is what I'm thinking judging by reactions and comments I've read from those protesting the ending

Please. You've been roaming around every thread just trolling. Stop this business.

[GBGriffin]

Dridengx wrote...

Wattoes wrote...

When you need to "explain" your ending, you know you've screwed up pretty bad.

Or the 'fans' are so low in IQ they can't understand something that flew over their head.. which is what I'm thinking judging by reactions and comments I've read from those protesting the ending

There's missing a point, and then there's having one but not conveying it well enough.

Its almost like watching anything by David Lynch...I'm sure whatever he does makes 100% sense to him. There are even fan theories on the meanings behind his movies (I took a class on them, actually), but they're just interpretations of what he meant...but to everyone else, the public at large, it comes off as bat**** crazy because it isn't accessible and whatever point he's trying to make gets lost in the ~*art*~ Have you seen Eraserhead? You cant just watch that and go "Yeah, this is a film that makes sense."

If you can't tell the story so that your audience understands your message, imo, you aren't a good storyteller; you're pretentious at best for trying to pass off ~*art*~ as an incomprehensible mess.

TheAsphodel wrote...


Please. You've been roaming around every thread just trolling. Stop this business.

 

Also, this.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 12 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[Caz Neerg]

Dridengx wrote...

Wattoes wrote...

When you need to "explain" your ending, you know you've screwed up pretty bad.

Or the 'fans' are so low in IQ they can't understand something that flew over their head.. You do have to realize this game is on the Xbox 360 and many purchased this game for the Sci Fi and action not for the lore or depth. The comments I've read and seen by the protestors make me believe this is the case.  Bioware's new 'fans' are less inclined then those of the BG and NWN era. They want simple things but their way

Not to be a jerk about it, but knowing my own IQ, I can safely say that simple statistics mean it is going to be higher than most of the other people here.  People don't hate the ending because it was "complex" or "deep," because it really wasn't.  It was a cliff notes version of a philosophy that is better presented in other games, and which doesn't fit into the three game saga that preceded it's abrupt introduction.  I would respectfully submit that if low IQ people were to mass anywhere, it would likely be in support of the endings, because someone needs to either have some kind of deficiency or just be embracing willful ignorance to think that there aren't *any* problems with what they gave us.  As others have said, there are plot holes the size of the Citadel in there.

[Fingertrip]

Ludica wrote...

Good luck trying to explain THIS. 

I hate pointing people to my thread every time i post, but i guess it's better than copypasting the OP of it every time.

Feel free to stop pointing people to that thread, because it's really subjective understanding and let-alone, makes little to no sense, and isn't really in context to what's being discussed here on this thread.