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[vigna]

anexanhume wrote...

I don't know why people keep praising this ending, it's fine except for the whole fact that the reapers cannot be destroyed conventionally. It took hundreds of ships to bring down Sovereign. Now they're fighting hundreds, if not thousands, of reapers. There isn't enough firepower in the galaxy to take them down in a conventional manner, that's the whole point and something they would have planned for. They've done the cycle many, many times. Don't you think they have a good idea of what a cycle is generally capable of?

A targeting laser and a few orbital ships took down the one on Rannoch...

[Asharad Hett]

They've done the cycle many, many times. Don't you think they have a good idea of what a cycle is generally capable of?

The Color-Magic-God-Child explains that his solution will no longer work.  This is because he has been bested by Shepard.

[anexanhume]

vigna wrote...

anexanhume wrote...

I don't know why people keep praising this ending, it's fine except for the whole fact that the reapers cannot be destroyed conventionally. It took hundreds of ships to bring down Sovereign. Now they're fighting hundreds, if not thousands, of reapers. There isn't enough firepower in the galaxy to take them down in a conventional manner, that's the whole point and something they would have planned for. They've done the cycle many, many times. Don't you think they have a good idea of what a cycle is generally capable of?

A targeting laser and a few orbital ships took down the one on Rannoch...

That was a small one like the one on Tuchanka. Only a couple hundred meters tall. Not 2km.

Asharad Hett wrote...

They've done the cycle many, many times. Don't you think they have a good idea of what a cycle is generally capable of?

The Color-Magic-God-Child explains that his solution will no longer work.  This is because he has been bested by Shepard.

I don't see what this is relevant to? Just because Shepard has reached him doesn't mean the reapers couldn't continue dominating the galaxy. His plan was for an organic to never make it as far as Shepard did. When he did, he considered the plan flawed and a new one needed devised.

Modifié par anexanhume, 12 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[Claym0re]

anexanhume wrote...

I don't know why people keep praising this ending, it's fine except for the whole fact that the reapers cannot be destroyed conventionally. It took hundreds of ships to bring down Sovereign. Now they're fighting hundreds, if not thousands, of reapers. There isn't enough firepower in the galaxy to take them down in a conventional manner, that's the whole point and something they would have planned for. They've done the cycle many, many times. Don't you think they have a good idea of what a cycle is generally capable of?

This ending offers a 4th option which makes perfect sense and the original was missing. Thats why people are praising it.

[anexanhume]

Claym0re wrote...

anexanhume wrote...

I don't know why people keep praising this ending, it's fine except for the whole fact that the reapers cannot be destroyed conventionally. It took hundreds of ships to bring down Sovereign. Now they're fighting hundreds, if not thousands, of reapers. There isn't enough firepower in the galaxy to take them down in a conventional manner, that's the whole point and something they would have planned for. They've done the cycle many, many times. Don't you think they have a good idea of what a cycle is generally capable of?

This ending offers a 4th option which makes perfect sense and the original was missing. Thats why people are praising it.

It doesn't, though. Everything all three games have told us is that the reapers cannot be defeated through conventional warfare. Everything. Their numbers are too great and they are too hard to kill. To do otherwise would be an insult to established canon and the players' intelligence.

[I_Jedi]

anexanhume wrote...

Claym0re wrote...

anexanhume wrote...

I don't know why people keep praising this ending, it's fine except for the whole fact that the reapers cannot be destroyed conventionally. It took hundreds of ships to bring down Sovereign. Now they're fighting hundreds, if not thousands, of reapers. There isn't enough firepower in the galaxy to take them down in a conventional manner, that's the whole point and something they would have planned for. They've done the cycle many, many times. Don't you think they have a good idea of what a cycle is generally capable of?

This ending offers a 4th option which makes perfect sense and the original was missing. Thats why people are praising it.

It doesn't, though. Everything all three games have told us is that the reapers cannot be defeated through conventional warfare. Everything. Their numbers are too great and they are too hard to kill. To do otherwise would be an insult to established canon and the players' intelligence.

It's better than what we have now.

[anexanhume]

I_Jedi wrote...

anexanhume wrote...

Claym0re wrote...

anexanhume wrote...

I don't know why people keep praising this ending, it's fine except for the whole fact that the reapers cannot be destroyed conventionally. It took hundreds of ships to bring down Sovereign. Now they're fighting hundreds, if not thousands, of reapers. There isn't enough firepower in the galaxy to take them down in a conventional manner, that's the whole point and something they would have planned for. They've done the cycle many, many times. Don't you think they have a good idea of what a cycle is generally capable of?

This ending offers a 4th option which makes perfect sense and the original was missing. Thats why people are praising it.

It doesn't, though. Everything all three games have told us is that the reapers cannot be defeated through conventional warfare. Everything. Their numbers are too great and they are too hard to kill. To do otherwise would be an insult to established canon and the players' intelligence.

It's better than what we have now.

I disagree. I would have been fine with the ending IF the normandy didn't disappear for no damned reason and they stuck around to rescue Shep from the rubble of the Citadel. It also would have needed to rescue my squadmates the didn't make it to the beam (and were possibly knocked back but not killed like Shep and Anderson).

However, I wholeheartedly agree that the choices we made didn't have any impact on how the ending turned out, and I think the false choice was a little insulting. I think the synthesis option should have been removed and it was a simple 2 choices. I don't see the functional difference from Shepard controlling the reapers only if he is going to send them away and die in the process. I guess he saves the geth and EDI that way?

Modifié par anexanhume, 12 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[Claym0re]

anexanhume wrote...


It doesn't, though. Everything all three games have told us is that the reapers cannot be defeated through conventional warfare. Everything. Their numbers are too great and they are too hard to kill. To do otherwise would be an insult to established canon and the players' intelligence.

If you don't believe in your friends and all the species united against the Reapers you still have the chance to "play God" and choose an option of the three. Sorry but this 4th option makes sense for those who share this viewpoint.

For example I shot Mordin as a paragon for the "greater good" while for many it would be unbelievable to do that. Thats how we work. Different viewpoints, different reasons. And showing middle finger to Catalyst makes sense just as much as "playing God".

[Asharad Hett]

anexanhume wrote...

It doesn't, though. Everything all three games have told us is that the reapers cannot be defeated through conventional warfare. Everything. Their numbers are too great and they are too hard to kill. To do otherwise would be an insult to established canon and the players' intelligence.

Seems like Shephard could have ordered all forces to attack and destroy the citadel/crucible (sacrificing himself). What would the Reapers do without their controller? But I am getting off topic from the OP.

The point is, Color-Magic-God-Child has underestimated the inhabitants of this cycle, or else the game would have ended with ME1.

[iamsnakemaster]

That's a good ending.

[anexanhume]

Claym0re wrote...

anexanhume wrote...


It doesn't, though. Everything all three games have told us is that the reapers cannot be defeated through conventional warfare. Everything. Their numbers are too great and they are too hard to kill. To do otherwise would be an insult to established canon and the players' intelligence.

If you don't believe in your friends and all the species united against the Reapers you still have the chance to "play God" and choose an option of the three. Sorry but this 4th option makes sense for those who share this viewpoint.

For example I shot Mordin as a paragon for the "greater good" while for many it would be unbelievable to do that. Thats how we work. Different viewpoints, different reasons. And showing middle finger to Catalyst makes sense just as much as "playing God".

It's not about believing in your friends. Shepard himself acknowledges the war cannot be won conventionally. The crucible was their whole hope. Otherwise, the choice was lose their fleet in a few hours or over the course of years and years.

Asharad Hett wrote...

anexanhume wrote...

It
doesn't, though. Everything all three games have told us is that the
reapers cannot be defeated through conventional warfare. Everything.
Their numbers are too great and they are too hard to kill. To do
otherwise would be an insult to established canon and the players'
intelligence.

Seems like Shephard could have
ordered all forces to attack and destroy the citadel/crucible
(sacrificing himself). What would the Reapers do without their
controller? But I am getting off topic from the OP.

The point
is, Color-Magic-God-Child has underestimated the inhabitants of this
cycle, or else the game would have ended with ME1.

I doubt the catalyst was singularly located. There may be replica of his consciousness in dark space, or he may be networked across all reapers.

But I agree Shepard should have asked what happens if he destroys the citadel, because that's effectively what the other choices do anyway.

Modifié par anexanhume, 12 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[Lucir]

I was so depressed at what happened, that I had to write endings to my characters just so I could try to go about my life again. This helped me a whole lot, and I strongly encourage any of you who feel down to please read this too. It isn't perfect, but I hope it will help you feel better about what happened.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9792751

[LoneSpektre]

NICE! I like this. Damn well written.

[Claym0re]

anexanhume wrote...

It's not about believing in your friends. Shepard himself acknowledges the war cannot be won conventionally. The crucible was their whole hope. Otherwise, the choice was lose their fleet in a few hours or over the course of years and years.

As I said thats your viewpoint and many don't share it and many do. With such an ending you have the chance to do what you believe is right, and we others can put our faith into the war assets we gathered.

[sporeian]

does Shep live?

that's all I want.

[anexanhume]

Claym0re wrote...

anexanhume wrote...

It's not about believing in your friends. Shepard himself acknowledges the war cannot be won conventionally. The crucible was their whole hope. Otherwise, the choice was lose their fleet in a few hours or over the course of years and years.

As I said thats your viewpoint and many don't share it and many do. With such an ending you have the chance to do what you believe is right, and we others can put our faith into the war assets we gathered.

That's fine if that's what you believe, I'm just asking people to explain how they think it can succeed based on what we've seen of what it took down to take down Sovereign and the number of reapers that were involved in that battle.

[Chromie]

shurryy wrote...

Bioware... I used to tell this to other companies who didn't match your caliber of storytelling, but I never thought I'd turn this against you... 

"Watch and Learn"

Obsidian has better writers.

[Kelwing]

Ok now that is an epic and fitting end.

[frozn89]

That was amazing! Not that I think we'll ever see it in-game, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it was a vast improvement. Actually, an enormous improvement.

[KillerJudgement]

Most epic made up ending I've read so far.

Pretty epic that you ended with "or something" after all that.

[johannes1212]

Needs more attention, very well done

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

insta-Canon'ed

[ziloe]

Leafs43 wrote...

This. 

[davaeorn]

I usally never post in these forums, but I just have to. Thats a f""""ing brilliant rewrite and the way the should have done it in the first place, THANK YOU!! From now on I'm just gonna turn off when the reaper beam hits Sheppard and read this text out loud instead, this is the true ending.

Man i wish Drew had been lead writer, that Dark Energy thing sounded way better than the crap we got, but with this rewrite its the ending the series deserved nonetheless, Bioware take note... please.

Modifié par davaeorn, 12 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[johannes1212]

Thing is, Bioware's writing team doesn't have to lift a finger to implement this ending at all, all they have to do is copy paste Arkis' solution and add some cinematics.
Are they so lazy as to not even consider this at all?