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[cJohnOne]

First came DAO.  Then came a little side story called DragonAge 2.



That sound right to you?

[DarkAmaranth1966]

No, fist came DAO , its DLC and, its expansion (Awakenings) Then game a new game set in the same world called DA2 which also has DLC (and I hope an expansion eventually)

Different stories. In one you played the warden and saw what happened in Ferelden to end the blight, in the other you saw what happened to one family who fled the village the warden could not save, and what happens when power goes bad.

Had it been a side quest, it would happen simultaneously with DAO: It does not except the first year when Hawke works for the smugglers or mercenaries (and you do not actually play that year.)

[whykikyouwhy]

Side quest? No. Side story? Not really.

Different chapter in the thick tome that is the tale of the DA-verse? That's my interpretation.

[Koire]

whykikyouwhy wrote...
Side quest? No. Side story? Not really.
Different chapter in the thick tome that is the tale of the DA-verse? That's my interpretation.

This.

[Wulfram]

The plot of DA2 was a big, world changing event. But the story of Hawke was basically a side story in his own game, whose main purpose was to put him/her there as a spectator.

And the events of DA:O could easily have had just as big effects on the world - a mage winning power, glory and freedom for his people? The Dalish gaining a homeland? A child with the untainted soul of an Old God? It's just they had to be minimised for the sequels because the endings were too diverse to handle.

[Jerrybnsn]

DA2 was like a spinoff that's going to get cancelled after half a season.

Like "Joey" was to "Friends".

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 13 mars 2012 - 12:22 .

[Wulfram]

Rojahar wrote...

I didn't see Hawke as any more of a spectator than the Warden. I felt like Alistair was more of the protagonist in DAO than the Warden.

You can't be a protagonist if you can go off in a sulk before the final battle.

Alistair, Loghain and Morrigan all have the potential to be effectively co-leads with the Warden.  But they can also be relatively minor characters, too, depending on the Warden's choices.

[cJohnOne]

Thanks for the Replies!!

What would a side quest and main quest story be like?

[cJohnOne]

Maybe a main quest story would be like a male thrusting to victory.


While a side quest story is like a female waiting for victory..

[Huntress]

Rojahar wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The plot of DA2 was a big, world changing event. But the story of Hawke was basically a side story in his own game, whose main purpose was to put him/her there as a spectator.

I didn't see Hawke as any more of a spectator than the Warden. I felt like Alistair was more of the protagonist in DAO than the Warden.

Well let me tell you something, you are not alone with that feeling and thats exactly how i felt after playing DA2 and comparing the main characters from each game.
The warden start is very good but the rest of the game is  about the companions and how to stop the blight, at the end is where the warden is pick up again ( if) survives.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It certainly did feel like a giant sidequest to me alright, but so did ME2. The thing about DA2 is it was a deeply personal story on a world-changing scale, if that makes any sense. It's unlike anything BioWare has done before in this regard as far as I can tell. While it may not have worked perfectly, I thought that, for the most part, it did satisfy what it was trying to accomplish. I just wish there was more closure with certain characters.

[Korusus]

Here's how unimportant DA2 is.  One line in DA3 will be able to summarize the entire game "The Mage-Templar War began in Kirkwall but has since spread to encompass areas of the world that actually matter and have important people that are relevant outside of a single has-been failure of a city" and you immediately know everything of note that happened in DA2.

You don't even have to bring up Hawke, that's how irrelevant and ineffectual his character was.

I not only see DA2 as a side quest, I see it as a distraction.  

[Ponendus]

As whykikyouwhy stated, I like to think of it as a chapter in a volume that details important events in the history of Thedas.

This is why I would have much preferred it be named 'Dragon Age: Kirkwall Revolution' or something, rather than 'Dragon Age 2' which implies a sequel. There is very little in DA2 that follows on from events in DAO that I can think of (apart from the blight being the catalyst for Hawke's flight to Kirkwall); it was a silly decision to name it as a sequel in my opinion.

I can't wait to see what they do with the next one though. If they take on board much of the feedback they have received, I suspect that they will have a really good game in the works. If, however, they call it Dragon Age 3 and make it about something very distantly connected to the previous instalments, well, I will be disappointed, but will probably still buy it and all the bits and pieces that go with it. Such is the life of an addict...

[Maria Caliban]

We'd need to make a coherent narrative out of the DA series before we could evaluate that. Not enough datapoints to even begin.

[nightscrawl]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Different chapter in the thick tome that is the tale of the DA-verse? That's my interpretation.

I'll go with this for sure. It's clear to me that the Dragon Age series is about Thedas and the goings on in that universe. Yes, our characters help shape the world and may be connected in various ways (import Amell mage Warden), or not at all, and some of the characters (NPCs) might overlap from game to game (Alistair, Anders, Leliana, Flemeth, Cullen), but in the end it is a story about the world and not a specific hero in it.

From game to game I plan to look at my previous game plays as just events that inform my history of Thedas as a whole. So if in DA3 we play, for example, an Orlesian (please no...) that is dealing with the aftermath of the events in Kirkwall and Asunder, that person won't have anything to do with our Warden or our Hawke, but since we played the previous two games, we will have an intimate knowledge of the chain of events that led to this point.

Really, the only thing I am concerned about with a future game and going off to some far away country is that we will be even further separated from Ferelden. I've played DAO several times, put hundreds of hours into Ferelden, and I want to know what is going on with her, even if I'm not there. Even just the tiny morsel gleaned from Alistair in DA2 was enough to satisfy me.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 17 mars 2012 - 08:34 .

[FaeQueenCory]

Maria Caliban wrote...

We'd need to make a coherent narrative out of the DA series before we could evaluate that. Not enough datapoints to even begin.

Agreed.
It all depends on DA3. If it is a continuation of the world's story from DA2, then no.
If it really has little to do with DA2 other than "that was why the mages and templars went crazy", then mostly yes.
It all depends on how relevant it is to the overall story of TheDAS.

[Fast Jimmy]

Even if the Mage/Templar war is a primary focus in DA3, I still don't see anything DA2 did as relevant.

If we were keeping Hawke as the PC for DA3, and DA2 was an introduction into him and his friends, then I would think DA2 would have purpose. But all DA2 does is setup the Mage/Templar war. In the 40+ hours of single-playthrough gameplay it offers, this is all it accomplishes, in the context of the world of Thedas.

This could have been accomplished in a intro video of a DA sequel. "In the years that followed the Blight, tensions between the Circles and the Templars grew. With multiple Circles being annulled, the mages rebelled and battle lines were drawn."

The only other world-impacting issues were either the Qunari (which, since they withdrew all of their forces from Kirkwall, really does not have any impact) and the events that occur in Legacy, with meeting Corypheus.

So we've got mages rebelling (which can be covered in the new book that came out along with some intro scenes), the Qunari being likely to invade (which was already established by Sten's comments in DAO) and Corypheus, which could have easily been covered in a DLC released for DAO or in events in DA3 (what should have been DA2).

Honestly, if they are going to scrap Hawke, then nothing of value happened in DA2. All it is is interacting with friends and family.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 18 mars 2012 - 12:35 .

[seraphymon]

yes i saw DA2 as a sidequest at best.

[cJohnOne]

A side quest is: A quest given to the player that has no direct bearing on the main story/campaign of the game


Now if someone would define Main quest for me that would be nice I still don't know what a Main Quest is.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 27 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[Teahuppoo]

The only important thing that hawke did, was releasing corypheus from his prison.

[wsandista]

Hawke didn't do anything important, and the only world-shaking event in DA2(not counting DLC) was the start of the Mage-Templar war. DA2 sounds like a sidequest.

[DarkDragon777]

Yes.