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[Ieldra]

The destruction of the relays (which doesn't happen in Control) is bad enough, but the real sticking point is this:

For three games, we've been confronted with questions about the nature of synthetic life. We've seen the rogue "VI" on Luna post "Help me" in binary code. We've met Legion and EDI and we can say with conviction that synthetics can be people. Now in ME3, if you broker peace between the quarians and the geth, the geth gain individuality, and Legion sacrifices his life for the species. Thus, a new species is formed, synthetics in the image of organics, having attained personhood. It is a species in its infancy, all the potential for its future as yet unrealized. 

Seeing this is an awe-inspiring experience. If you value intelligent life and its diversity at all, it is a sublime moment, a small island of hope in the horrors of a galactic war. And as opposed to the genophage cure, there are no lingering doubts about bad consequences down the road, since the geth have proven by their actions past and present that they're not naturally aggressive. 

If you choose Destroy, you also destroy all synthetic life including the geth, destroying all that potential and making a lie of that sublime moment when Legion spoke of himself as "I". You are destroying the future of a newborn species, the same Shepard accuses the Catalyst of if you choose the Paragon responses, only worse, because this new species has had no time at all. 

And don't tell me it doesn't actually happen. If you choose Destroy, EDI will not appear in the ending scenes. Synthetics being destroyed is well in line with the theme of the Destroy ending and supported by dialogue and visual evidence.

Taking this option makes me feel as if I just killed a child. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 mars 2012 - 07:13 .

[Karrie788]

I picked Destroy, but I see your point. I personally could never pick Merge. It just... feels... wrong. I can't play God and decide of the entire galaxy's fate like that.

I guess only Control is an acceptable option. Is it?

[Kyneris]

The destruction of the relays always happens...

[Militarized]

You just let the Reapers win and take over your mind.

You lose.

[zeypher]

relays always get nuked, no matter which option you choose. Relays are gone

[clonedoriginzero]

the relays are gone in all 3 endings

[monima]

I chose the destroy option, as much as I hated killing Edi and the geth, But my goal was always to destroy the reapers so I did.

[gooberfish311]

Karrie788 wrote...

I picked Destroy, but I see your point. I personally could never pick Merge. It just... feels... wrong. I can't play God and decide of the entire galaxy's fate like that.

I guess only Control is an acceptable option. Is it?

Don't see how. Control is the option TIM wanted, and TIM was indoctrinated, which means it's what the Reapers wanted TIM to want.

[commanderkai]

Reaper Godchild is full of ****. If Shep can still be alive after Destroy, even after supposedly all synthetics being killed, then there's a significant chance that the Geth and EDI survived as well.

[Unit-Alpha]

Eh, I did destroy, but I was feeling pretty vindictive about Joker crashing on the planet.

[Karrie788]

gooberfish311 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I picked Destroy, but I see your point. I personally could never pick Merge. It just... feels... wrong. I can't play God and decide of the entire galaxy's fate like that.

I guess only Control is an acceptable option. Is it?

Don't see how. Control is the option TIM wanted, and TIM was indoctrinated, which means it's what the Reapers wanted TIM to want.

Yeah but what did the Reapers want TIM to do with this?

Basically if you pick Control the cycle continues as it did before? What's the point then? What difference will Shepard make in controlling them?

[Drewskii]

Relays always blow up

[JPshieux]

Destroy actually gave me hope, because the god child tells you that even you are part synthetic. He was trying to deter you from that choice by telling you that you would not survive. But it is the only ending that you survive in.

If Shepard survives regardless of what the child said, who's to say other synthetics didn't.

[MarchWaltz]

Actually, the rogue VI on Luna was EDI, at her infancy. You find out in the Cerberus assault.

[Ieldra]

clonedoriginzero wrote...
the relays are gone in all 3 endings

Obviously untrue.

Evidence:
(1) Visual evidence: In Control, the centre of the Citadel does not explode, and the
second part of the mass relay scene where parts fly in all directions
does not happen.
(2) Logic: the Catalyst says "releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays". The thing is, using the Control option does not end the cycle, it only makes Shepard its (more benevolent) guardian. He *may* choose to end the cycle permanently by flying the Reapers into a black hole, but he may also hedge his bets and see where things go without intervention. The difference between then and now is that now a being with empathy for organics has guardianship of organic life in the galaxy. This is a good option.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[Sublyminal]

Ieldra2 wrote...

clonedoriginzero wrote...
the relays are gone in all 3 endings

Obviously untrue.

Evidence:
(1) Visual evidence: In Control, the centre of the Citadel does not explode, and the
second part of the mass relay scene where parts fly in all directions
does not happen.
(2) Logic: the Catalyst says "releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays". The thing is, using the Control option does not end the cycle, it only makes Shepard its (more benevolent) guardian.

I've played all endings and in all endings they always explode period. Try paying attention.

[AlphaDormante]

Destroying some so that many can live. It's extremely unfortunate, but I would have done the same thing if it were any species other than the geth.

Controlling the Reapers and merging synthetics and organics are both "flying blind" decisions. There are far too many unknown variables or consequences involved in both; we get pretty much no explanation for what will happen when we choose those things. At least with Destroy, we know that the organic/synthetic conflict might persist, but it's not a static event. Peace achieved between the geth and quarians proves this.

Basically, they're all awful decisions to make with the tiny amount of information we have, but I view Destroy as the "safest" one.

[Kyneris]

Control
Controlling the Reapers.... is wrong. They are a power that no one, not even me (95% Paragon) should have. No one should be able impose his/her will on the galaxy like that.

Synthesis
Combining all synthetic and organic life into a new framework also feels wrong, destroying all life everywhere to have one masssive reset isn't the way forward. If what the Catalyst Kid said is true, then we will get to the final point in evolution anyway, I'd rather get there through natural means than by forcing it through genocide on an unprecedented scale.

Destroy
I feel that this is the only option that has any kind of real solution to the problem of the Reapers controlling the galaxy and inhibiting the hopes and dreams of organic life everywhere. With the reapers destroyed, life can finally continue as it should, without uber-powerful overseers to guide or control us. The price is high, extremely high, I worked very hard to bring the Geth and Quarians together in harmony and I supported EDI 100% of the time in her efforts to understand herself and the world around her. But I do think that the alternatives are all much worse than the one presented here. It is with a heavy heart that I commit genocide on all synthetic life... but I think it's the only way to be truly free...

Modifié par Kyneris, 12 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[Johnnycide]

Schirach wrote...

Destroy actually gave me hope, because the god child tells you that even you are part synthetic. He was trying to deter you from that choice by telling you that you would not survive. But it is the only ending that you survive in.

If Shepard survives regardless of what the child said, who's to say other synthetics didn't.

I chose destroy, only ending that came close to making sense to me drop kicking the god child in the face. 

[LastLivingSoul09]

Agreed. It was never an option for me as well. Too bad there's no other way to just straight up destroy the reapers...

[RohanSpartan]

There is always a fourth ending. Either stop playing after you kill Kai Leng or stop playing after your blasted by that Reaper on Earth and create a new game and start over.

[Jagdwyre]

gooberfish311 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I picked Destroy, but I see your point. I personally could never pick Merge. It just... feels... wrong. I can't play God and decide of the entire galaxy's fate like that.

I guess only Control is an acceptable option. Is it?

Don't see how. Control is the option TIM wanted, and TIM was indoctrinated, which means it's what the Reapers wanted TIM to want.

TIM just used control as the justification for going completely insane under indoctrination. I doubt the reapers actually wanted him to, or rather, they knew he couldn't  since they already controled him so they let him continue to think he was still in control.

Similar to the reason Saren tried to justify what he did with the reasoning that if you bow to the reapers they'd let you continue to exist, even though the Reapers never had any intention in doing so(confrimed from Vigil after asking if the protheans tried to surrender). They just let him believe it was possible to further their own agenda.

Modifié par Jagdwyre, 12 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[Ieldra]

Sublyminal wrote...
I've played all endings and in all endings they always explode period. Try paying attention.

 You think I would say this without having triple-checked? Pay closer attention. Particularly to the part where the central part of the Citadel/Crucible is covered by a fireball  - or not - and to the second part of the relay scene where parts fly in all directions. Or not.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[cactusberry]

I chose control. I wouldn't be able to destroy the geth after having them make peace with the quarians.

[Sublyminal]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...
I've played all endings and in all endings they always explode period. Try paying attention.

Arrogant twit. You think I would say this without having triple-checked? Pay closer attention. Particularly to the part where the central part of the Citadel/Crucible is covered by a fireball  - or not - and to the second part of the relay scene where parts fly in all directions.

Those who resort to name calling have already lost the arguement. Again, pay more attention to detail. The relays explode in every single one.