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[Fingertrip]

Control isn't that bad of an ending if you ask me. It just really lacks closure, that's about it. I think it's also the most emotional and ... painful death for Shepard to go with as well. Her/His face as he gets vaporized and seeing Joker/Anderson and LI is so .... painful.

[highcastle]

I am personally convinced that Destroy represents the only "good" ending (much as that word can be used). In both the other options, the Reapers endure in one form or another. In Control, I believe Shepard is basically indoctrinated. Certainly that seems to be the case with everyone else who's attempted this before. In Synthesis, the Reapers get what they really want: the assimilation of every human being into their synthetic shells. In short, it's a fast track to making more Reapers (look at the way human beings were harvested--synthesized, really--in the Collector base).

Destroy, on the other hand, represents the only sure way of ridding the galaxy of Reapers. Of course, I'm also of the opinion that much of the ending--if not all of it--takes place in a virtual reality the likes of which we saw in Legion's quest on Rannoch. Somehow Shepard's synthetic consciousness is beamed up on the Citadel to activate the Catalyst. I'm also of the mind that the child is really Harbinger. He goes out of his way to paint Destroy as a terrible option. It's what he fears more than anything, so he tries to present synthesize as the best route. Again, that's what the Reapers have been doing for millions of years: assimilating organics into their own synthetic bodies.

[Kyneris]

The power of the crucible is unleashed regardless of the option you choose. The relays get destroyed in all endings as is evidenced: here. You can clearly see a relay being destroyed by the blue energy.

Modifié par Kyneris, 12 mars 2012 - 07:28 .

[Sublyminal]

Just for you IELDRA,

3:15 to 3:21.

Modifié par Sublyminal, 12 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[Ieldra]

Are you getting different scenes than I do? Because you know, after someone told me this I didn't believe it myself. But it's true.

[cactusberry]

This is the 17th time (yes, I really counted) I heard a debate over the relays destroying in control or not. It's getting really annoying. Someone put both videos side-by-side with matching timestamps in one video so we can see who's right instead of wheeling that over and over.

[Drewskii]

Skip to 23 mins, YEAH DUDE RELAYS DONT DESTROY... lol

[clonedoriginzero]

Ieldra2 wrote...

clonedoriginzero wrote...
the relays are gone in all 3 endings

Obviously untrue.

Evidence:
(1) Visual evidence: In Control, the centre of the Citadel does not explode, and the
second part of the mass relay scene where parts fly in all directions
does not happen.
(2) Logic: the Catalyst says "releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays". The thing is, using the Control option does not end the cycle, it only makes Shepard its (more benevolent) guardian. He *may* choose to end the cycle permanently by flying the Reapers into a black hole, but he may also hedge his bets and see where things go without intervention. The difference between then and now is that now a being with empathy for organics has guardianship of organic life in the galaxy. This is a good option.

it shows the relay being destroyed....

[Unfallen_Satan]

I only picked destroy to see all three endings. I agree with your reluctance, OP. After reading a few more interesting posts, what really blows my mind is whether the "Reaper" solution really should be stopped. Sure the contemporary galaxy in ME 3 seems like a great place and Shepard lives in it. However, you hear stories about the Prothean Empire and I can't say I am sorry the Reapers genocided them. Theirs was not one to promote diversity and growth in other races.

[LastLivingSoul09]

Kyneris wrote...


Destroy
I feel that this is the only option that has any kind of real solution to the problem of the Reapers controlling the galaxy and inhibiting the hopes and dreams of organic life everywhere. With the reapers destroyed, life can finally continue as it should, without uber-powerful overseers to guide or control us. The price is high, extremely high, I worked very hard to bring the Geth and Quarians together in harmony and I supported EDI 100% of the time in her efforts to understand herself and the world around her. But I do think that the alternatives are all much worse than the one presented here. It is with a heavy heart that I commit genocide on all synthetic life... but I think it's the only way to be truly free...

You have a point....  I'm so conflicted!

[NPH11]

People have picked Destroy and have still had EDI walk out of the Normandy.

So, yeah.

I guess Space Magic isn't perfect.

Modifié par NPH11, 12 mars 2012 - 07:29 .

[JPshieux]

Sublyminal wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...
I've played all endings and in all endings they always explode period. Try paying attention.

Arrogant twit. You think I would say this without having triple-checked? Pay closer attention. Particularly to the part where the central part of the Citadel/Crucible is covered by a fireball  - or not - and to the second part of the relay scene where parts fly in all directions.

Those who resort to name calling have already lost the arguement. Again, pay more attention to detail. The relays explode in every single one. 

Correct, no matter what you choose the power of the crucible will destroy the Mass Relays as the beam is sent out across the Galaxy. 

[Tombfyre09]

Kyneris wrote...

Control
Controlling the Reapers.... is wrong. They are a power that no one, not even me (95% Paragon) should have. No one should be able impose his/her on the galaxy like that.

Synthesis
Combining all synthetic and organic life into a new framework also feels wrong, destroying all life everywhere to have one masssive reset isn't the way forward. If what the Catalyst Kid said is true, then we will get to the final point in evolution anyway, I'd rather get there through natural mean than by forcing it through genocide on an unprecedented scale.

Destroy
I feel that this is the only option that has any kind of real solution to the problem of the Reapers controlling the galaxy and inhibiting the hopes and dreams of organic life everywhere. With the reapers destroyed, life can finally continue as it should, without uber-powerful overseers to guide or control us. The price is high, extremely high, I worked very hard to bring the Geth and Quarians together in harmony and I supported EDI 100% of the time in her efforts to understand herself and the world around her. But I do think that the alternatives are all much worse than the one presented here. It is with a heavy heart that I commit genocide on all synthetic life... but I think it's the only way to be truly free...

Agreed!  But then everything else happened and i still lose.... yay the reapers are gone... but so is civilization as we know it..... WOOoo....  oh and my chars friends, loved ones leave him there... awesome. 

I actually felt that going into the citadel child  discussion that I was about to show them that they solved their own problem. Its mentioned all through the game that reaper code creates AI's that are invidual people.    I actually started to ponder that the reapers themselves were the catalyst.  ....  oh how wrong i was. 

Modifié par Tombfyre09, 12 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[Ieldra]

Sublyminal wrote...
Just for you IELDRA,
3:15 to 3:21.

I don't see the relay explode. As a comparison, check this



at 3:06. You'll notice the part where the central ring breaks and flies away is not present in the blue ending. The blue ending suggests there might be some damage, but the relay is not destroyed. This has been extensively debated in the spoiler group last week.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 mars 2012 - 07:32 .

[Sublyminal]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...
Just for you IELDRA,
3:15 to 3:21.

I don't see the relay explode. As a comparison, check this



at 3:06. You'll notice the part where the central ring breaks and flies away is not present in the blue ending. 

It doesn't show a break away, but it does explode. In any sense, the relays become worthless.

[Fjordgnu]

I had a brand new thought pop up somewhere in my head.

"Destroy" is bad because it destroys all synthetic life, right? I mean, aside from that, it's a pretty decent end to the Reaper problem. However, that the destruction of all synthetic life is bad isn't really a given. It means that, somewhere along the line, we've gone from viewing them as unfeeling robots, to living things. I mean, not difficult if you've been hanging around Legion, but still.

It's a test! It's all a test, people! It's supposed to prove that you're not willing to kill them anymore, and they're using that against you. The Reapers! Your own weakness is being used against you!

[Kyneris]

There definitely an explosion and parts of the relay break off, just not the rings themselves at that particular moment in time. Does it really matter though ? The Catalyst Kid said that releasing the power of the crucible would destroy the mass relays. In all endings, you release the power of the crucible (the massive wave of energy) meaning that in all endings, the relays are destroyed.

Modifié par Kyneris, 12 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[Ieldra]

NPH11 wrote...
People have picked Destroy and have still had EDI walk out of the Normandy.

I'd want to see firsthand evidence of this before I believe it.

[Doomhams]

Did the luna AI really put help me in binary?

[Ieldra]

Sublyminal wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...
Just for you IELDRA,
3:15 to 3:21.

I don't see the relay explode. As a comparison, check this



at 3:06. You'll notice the part where the central ring breaks and flies away is not present in the blue ending. 

It doesn't show a break away, but it does explode. In any sense, the relays become worthless.

The difference is, in the blue ending, that's debatable. In the red and green endings, it's not.

[jijeebo]

RohanSpartan wrote...

There is always a fourth ending. Either stop playing after you kill Kai Leng or stop playing after your blasted by that Reaper on Earth and create a new game and start over.

This is my favourite ending, because I can say my Shep wakes up, pimp-walks into the Citadel, slaps TIM in the face and fires the crucible without a hitch and destroys the Reapers.

Battle over, FINALLY spill some drinks with the crew, and all join up for the most cringe-worth dance sesh EVAR!!1!

[Jaredh]

Ieldra2 wrote...

If you choose Destroy, you also destroy all synthetic life including the geth, destroying all that potential and making a lie of that sublime moment when Legion spoke of himself as "I". You are destroying the future of a newborn species, the same Shepard accuses the Catalyst of if you choose the Paragon responses, only worse, because this new species has had no time at all. 

I see it this way.
If you talked the Geth and Quarians into peace und seeing Legion speak of himself as "I" you showed this "Godchild" that his logic is flawed. That there can be peace between organics and synthetics. Even if they are extinct now it shows that not all synthetics will kill their organic creators.

[Ieldra]

Kyneris wrote...
There definitely an explosion and parts of the relay break off, just not the rings themselves at that particular moment in time. Does it really matter though ? The Catalyst Kid said that releasing the power of the crucible would destroy the mass relays. In all endings, you release the power of the crucible (the massive wave of energy) meaning that in all endings, the relays are destroyed.

It works the other way, too: since you don't see the relay exploding, it is plausible to assume that the full energy of the Crucible has not been unleashed. It would make no sense considered that Shepard isn't trying to do anything that requires a great amount of energy.

[Aureli]

Drewskii wrote...



Skip to 23 mins, YEAH DUDE RELAYS DONT DESTROY... lol

I've watched, both citadel and relays are destroyed 23:03 and 23:20.

Modifié par Aureli, 12 mars 2012 - 07:41 .