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[Samuel_Valkyrie]

malra wrote...

excellent OP. although I would still like a boss battle with illusive man to drain off some of the excess emotion from the rest of the game. two of rounds of reasoning something to death are two too manyl.

That would mean rewriting the entire ending, instead of adding to it. Especially considering fighting TIL while in 'shock' modus, without any backup, would be virtually impossible to create any real satisfaction. It wouldn't be an a real end-game boss if you can defeat him on your own, while being severely wounded. Kinda like Kai Leng not being able to defeat a dying drell who can hardly breath (no offense to Thane-lovers, I like the guy, but he WAS dying, you know).

Furthermore, Bioware had planned on putting TIM in the game as an end-game boss, but decided against it, for reaons I agree with. One of them being that TIM is devined by his intelligence, not his physical strength. Another fact is that 'I've made a deal with the devil, and now I've truned into a ragin monster'' is already done so many times, it has become something beyond a cliché.

However, if you can have a fight with Harbinger just before you get knocked down the first time, so during or just before the run to the Conduit, that would be better. However, that would still leave you with 'two rounds of reasoning', and I don't think it contributes well to building-up to the final confrontation. 

[malra]

I know. For me though, the whole cerberus-illusive man thread was just bogus. They played the crap out of it in game, like with so much else i.e. Miranda's father, the footage of shepard begin brought back to life, the origin of EDI, all of these threads that could have had major emotional impacts in game were left just sort of dying on the beach (homage to the cure) all things I could have ignored if the endings had been appropriately logical, but they weren't so I'm left with nothing.

[malra]

malra wrote...

I know. For me though, the whole cerberus-illusive man thread was just bogus. They played the crap out of it in game, like with so much else i.e. Miranda's father, the footage of shepard begin brought back to life, the origin of EDI, all of these threads that could have had major emotional impacts in game were left just sort of dying on the beach (homage to the cure) all things I could have ignored if the endings had been appropriately logical, but they weren't so I'm left with nothing.

hate to quote myself, but I guess this makes this "the winter (spring) of our discontent", gee I  guess I do know art.  perhaps next time they can hire a real writer, paul verhoeven ..... josh wheedon......or maybe read some steinbeck or edith wharton or winnie the pooh to discover the true meaning of literary bitter sweet endings.

[Sajuro]

Final Renegade interrupt: Shepard punts star child off the citadel.

[Direwolf0294]

I like this and it wouldn't take too much effort for BioWare to implement.

[Helmchen2010]

Skypezee wrote...

Works for me.
Heck, that's the kind of speech I would have expected out of Shepard as it fits his/her character.

THIS. A THOUSAND ****ING TIMES THIS. 

Why, Bioware, why?

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Reading these is pointless. I've done a couple myself, but it doesn't matter. We aren't on BioWare's writing staff and they can't use any of this. At least not word for word. All we can hope for is that these give them ideas and a place to start.

Reading and posting in these treads does show what kinds of things your public likes to see in the story. They can use that to thier benefit. So, no, I disagree with you that reading and replying to these threads is pointless.

[Iron---Man]

This would have been my preferred ending.

[WarGriffin]

Somehow I doubt the Catalyst being Reaptimus Prime would take No

also... you just let him jack the Relay hub?

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

WarGriffin wrote...

Somehow I doubt the Catalyst being Reaptimus Prime would take No

also... you just let him jack the Relay hub?

First of all, the Catalyst is assumed to ave a grander scope than we humans can perceive, and might very will perceive a greater worth to our words beyond even our own scope. 

Second: if you want to destroy the Reapers and the Relay Hub, you can always pick one of the original choices.

[MageCeridan]

FoxShadowblade wrote...

After the credits roll, Shepard opens his eyes in the Normandy Med Bay to see all his surviving friends there, fade to black, roll 20 minutes of epilogue detailing what happened to everyone you ever met, and to the galaxy in DA:O style...or DA2 style, reveal it was Varric telling the story all along(kidding, would be such a troll moment)

haha this is what poped up in my current sleep deprived brain (end of term is harsh this semester)

Templar inquisitor chick: 
"I asked you about Hawke dwarf, not somekind of idiotic fiction!"

[EVL65R]

Yes please. Here's my $10. Take it. PLEASE TAKE IT!!!

[Blah12]

i like it but maybe in the middle of the dialog the starchild gets angry and trys to force shepard to choose a fate which then results in a final battle between shepard and the child during the final battle the starchild will take the form of shepards friends and LI to make it harder for shepard to fight him. after shepard defeats the starchild the starchild reapears in his original child form and engadges in the rest of the dialog with shepard afterwards the reaper forces leave or shut down depending upon your paragon/renegade story status and everything else that was stated by the OP happens if shepard is neutral before the final battle he/she wakes up in the arms of their LI after he defeats the starchild and the reapers are defeated due to his war assets.

this alternate ending would be for all you who say the reapers wouldnt leave just because shepard says no.

oh for a easter egg after the end credits shepard retires with garrus and some of his squad mates and they have a nice party to celebrate their victory.

Modifié par Blah12, 30 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[SuperEngineer]

I approve of this ending, nice work.

[Apathy1989]

If you have to keep starchild, this is the only way I could see a good ending.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Blah12 wrote...

i like it but maybe in the middle of the dialog the starchild gets angry and trys to force shepard to choose a fate which then results in a final battle between shepard and the child during the final battle the starchild will take the form of shepards friends and LI to make it harder for shepard to fight him. after shepard defeats the starchild the starchild reapears in his original child form and engadges in the rest of the dialog with shepard afterwards the reaper forces leave or shut down depending upon your paragon/renegade story status and everything else that was stated by the OP happens if shepard is neutral before the final battle he/she wakes up in the arms of their LI after he defeats the starchild and the reapers are defeated due to his war assets.

I can see why you would want a 'final boss'  type of event, but I disagree with its necessity.

Putting a bossfight in this would have no value beyond 'we need a bossfight because it's a game'.

It also disrupts the 'flow' of the speech Shepard gives, which, like a joke, depends for a great deal on timing, and if the timing is off, the speech would not have the effect intended: Namely, to convince the audience to not only believe it, but to become roused by it ( the "F*CK YEAH, THAT'S MY SHEPARD" feeling most of the people who read this had)

It is also out-fo-character for the Star Child to get angry, because that kind of emotion is origanic in nature, and not something a synthetic would experience.

Furthermore, the Star Child is beyond our understanding (as I explained earlier in this thread), so why would he come down to fight a human being, especially one that is on the brink of death anyhow?

Plus, you being on the brink of death, would it realy be that satisfying to defeat a final boss on your own? Would that not imply that the final boss would be hilariously easy to defeat if you were there in full health, with your complete squad?


As you can see, there are too many issues with a boss-fight to make that a realistic option. So, my answer to your suggestion would be..

"No."

[Holoe4]

There should also be an ultimate renegade interrupt,
Where Shepard can't take all the pressure and decides to commit suicide...

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Blah12 wrote...
oh for a easter egg after the end credits shepard retires with garrus and some of his squad mates and they have a nice party to celebrate their victory.

Also, no party: Billions of people died. Shepard (as I played him) would never celebrate their deaths. So many people dead is no cause for celebrations. Now, that does not mean YOUR Shepard would do the same thing, but for enough people, it is so out of character, that you cannot make it a defined point in Shepard's story (meaning 'you cannot make it canon').  

And even then: you only find out of if Shepard lives after the credits. Now, an after-credits text-scroll outlining the future histories of the different species and characters would be possible, and most welcome, I think.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Holoe4 wrote...

There should also be an ultimate renegade interrupt,
Where Shepard can't take all the pressure and decides to commit suicide...

Isn't that basically, the 'you wait for 10 minutes, and the Crucible is destroyed" option?

Besides, I wrote a Renegade Interrupt, link in first or second post, which outlines what a Renegade interrupt would do, in my view.

[Walsh1980]

Love your ending TC, and I think that's all any of us wanted from the end. And something like this would be easy to implement without changing what's already there, so I hope they realize this..

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Walsh1980 wrote...

Love your ending TC, and I think that's all any of us wanted from the end. And something like this would be easy to implement without changing what's already there, so I hope they realize this..

"TC"? Thread Creator?

[XavierHollywood]

ive supported a lot of different fan made ending scenarios but this one is not only great, but the easiest to implement. I think it preserves the "artistic integrity" of the original writing while simply adding a much needed final option.

Very simple, very very very effective.

[Blah12]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Blah12 wrote...

i like it but maybe in the middle of the dialog the starchild gets angry and trys to force shepard to choose a fate which then results in a final battle between shepard and the child during the final battle the starchild will take the form of shepards friends and LI to make it harder for shepard to fight him. after shepard defeats the starchild the starchild reapears in his original child form and engadges in the rest of the dialog with shepard afterwards the reaper forces leave or shut down depending upon your paragon/renegade story status and everything else that was stated by the OP happens if shepard is neutral before the final battle he/she wakes up in the arms of their LI after he defeats the starchild and the reapers are defeated due to his war assets.

I can see why you would want a 'final boss'  type of event, but I disagree with its necessity.

Putting a bossfight in this would have no value beyond 'we need a bossfight because it's a game'.

It also disrupts the 'flow' of the speech Shepard gives, which, like a joke, depends for a great deal on timing, and if the timing is off, the speech would not have the effect intended: Namely, to convince the audience to not only believe it, but to become roused by it ( the "F*CK YEAH, THAT'S MY SHEPARD" feeling most of the people who read this had)

It is also out-fo-character for the Star Child to get angry, because that kind of emotion is origanic in nature, and not something a synthetic would experience.

Furthermore, the Star Child is beyond our understanding (as I explained earlier in this thread), so why would he come down to fight a human being, especially one that is on the brink of death anyhow?

Plus, you being on the brink of death, would it realy be that satisfying to defeat a final boss on your own? Would that not imply that the final boss would be hilariously easy to defeat if you were there in full health, with your complete squad?


As you can see, there are too many issues with a boss-fight to make that a realistic option. So, my answer to your suggestion would be..

"No."

personally i have no problem with your ending in fact i like it but some people seem to think the reapers wouldnt leave because shepard says no. deating the 'puppet master' as i put it gives them a reason to leave i did mention that the starchild takes the form of shepards friends and li so hed be trying to fight them with heavy wounds and just a unmodded pistol that sounds like a challange on its own the starchild doesnt nesscasarly have to get angry but he does try to force shepard to make a choice naturally shepard will want to resist if the starchild can take the form of a child shepard saw killed at the beginning then it shouldnt be too much of a stretch for him to take the form of shepards friends and li also he wouldnt come down him self he would still be in that whisp/ghost form i also feel that the dream world shepard kept seeing throughout the game would be a appropiate battlefield for this type of scenario if you want a reference to how this type of battle would work think of the time shepard had to kill that murader with his pistol just before he got to the conduit beam and think about this if me1 and me 2 both have final bosses why doesnt me3? having a final boss in a rpg is like a rule or something i dont really consider kai leng to be the final boss sense he doesnt really give off that feeling he feels more like a mini boss to me oh by the wisp/ghost form i meant the star childs avatar so during the final battle youd be fighting the star childs avatar who takes up the form of shepards friends and li while hes battle wounded. the only part where i could see all of this working is in the middle of this segiment. 

"So, no. I won't make that choice. And neither should you. Instead, allow us to find our own way. Let us go. Send the Reapers back to the space between galaxies. Let us make our own mistakes. Let us be free. And believe in us. Believe that we might find a better way. A better way than this...."

The Star Child scans Shepard's face.

"Do you truly belive that is possible?"

Modifié par Blah12, 31 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[Blah12]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Blah12 wrote...
oh for a easter egg after the end credits shepard retires with garrus and some of his squad mates and they have a nice party to celebrate their victory.

Also, no party: Billions of people died. Shepard (as I played him) would never celebrate their deaths. So many people dead is no cause for celebrations. Now, that does not mean YOUR Shepard would do the same thing, but for enough people, it is so out of character, that you cannot make it a defined point in Shepard's story (meaning 'you cannot make it canon').  

And even then: you only find out of if Shepard lives after the credits. Now, an after-credits text-scroll outlining the future histories of the different species and characters would be possible, and most welcome, I think.

im sure after a year or 2 they would throw a massive party to celebrate the fall of the reapers as galatic civilization rebuilds its self unless the mass relays and citadel are destroyed then youd be right they would also build some sorta huge memorial to those whos lives were lost during the war thats usually what is done in this sorta situation  the end credit after text wouldeve been nice if this was truly the conclusion to shepards story then some kind of after text explaining what happens in the aftermath of the war should be a must so this leads me to beilieve that there will be a mass effect 4 but how bioware is gonna continue shepards story is beyond me they may just throw in a whole new hero character maybe someone who is a descendent of shepard.

Modifié par Blah12, 31 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[Pelle6666]

N-no... it is not a thing you can comprehend...