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[geekwithguns]

To the OP,

The ending you wrote would keep me playing ME 1/2/3 for a couple more years, it is that good. Kudos!

I'd be starry eyed thinking of an epic run with a fresh character through the entire trilogy for such a climax!

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

geekwithguns wrote...

To the OP,

The ending you wrote would keep me playing ME 1/2/3 for a couple more years, it is that good. Kudos!

I'd be starry eyed thinking of an epic run with a fresh character through the entire trilogy for such a climax!

Then do as I do: make these your canon endings.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Modifié par Samuel_Valkyrie, 31 mai 2012 - 12:29 .

[CamlTowPetttingZoo]

PRINT IT!!!! That's how I want my game to end.

[LelianaHawke]

I don't want everyone in the Citadel to be carted off to deep space...

How is that paragon? Your Shepard is assuming that millions of people on the Citadel fell to the reapers, and if not, well any survivors deserve to die, and without burials. You just signed their death warrants without even a second thought.

This ending fits a renegade Shepard more, because instead of the option that results in saving the most lives (control, synthesis, or destroy all end the threat immediately with no civilian casualities), Shepard has a tantrum and signs the death warrants of the Citadel survivors.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 31 mai 2012 - 02:06 .

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

LelianaHawke wrote...

I don't want everyone in the Citadel to be carted off to deep space...

How is that paragon? Your Shepard is assuming that millions of people on the Citadel fell to the reapers, and if not, well any survivors deserve to die, and without burials. You just signed their death warrants without even a second thought.

This ending fits a renegade Shepard more, because instead of the option that results in saving the most lives (control, synthesis, or destroy all end the threat immediately with no civilian casualities), Shepard has a tantrum and signs the death warrants of the Citadel survivors.

There ARE no Citadel survivors. 

Official stance is that a few people made it off the Citadel alive, but by the time you are talking with the Star Child, you are the only living person on the structure. How did Reapers get rid of the 1 billion people on the Citadel within, what? a day?, where they could harvest only just over a million on Earth? No clue, but that's the offical stance, and that was what this ending was designed for: not to alter anything, but only to add a new option. Options, counting the Renegade Interrupt. 

However, as you might have gathered, I'm not wholly in support of the official stance. So, if it pleases you, consider the following:

A few moments pass, as the Star Child keeps looking at Shepard. One could almost say as if it was contemplating something, if that wasn't a far too human interpretation of its actions. Then, suddenly, the avatar of the Catalyst disappears. The ground begins to shake, as the Citadel begins preperations to depart. The wards are starting to rise up in the distance. A watchful eye can see far-away dockingbay doors open, and tiny shuttles, like distant fireflies, take the sad and far too few survivors away from the departing vessel, to the relative safety of space.

As the wards are rising,Shepard looks around. Searching for a way off, Shepard moves as fast as his aching body carries him, to the edge of the platform. Looking across the vast Vista of Sol space, he sees the Reaper Fleet move away from Earth, persued by the Galaxy's forces. Seeing no way off, he prepares for his death...

Modifié par Samuel_Valkyrie, 31 mai 2012 - 02:32 .

[ArchDuck]

Simple, reasonable and passable. Thus entirely why we won't see it.

[jeff359]

I like it, Leaves the reapers alive to come back at any point. We didn't need space magic to make them run away.

[Arkwright99]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

 <snip...>

"I'm Commander Shepard and I approve this ending." <3
\\

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

demos99 wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

 <snip...>

"I'm Commander Shepard and I approve this ending." <3

But..which one are you!?!

[Kenjison7]

Why only paragon? That would be rather unfair to renegades like me, maybe a dialogue choice instead

[MegaSovereign]

So you guys are willing to ignore the jarring plotholes if you're able to say "no" to the Catalyst?

[Hvlukas]

That was .. quite obviously perfect.

[shodiswe]

I wanted more conversation options/interrupts.. even if they had failed to change the endings it would have feelt better to actualy try the impossible or say my piece to the reapers before I make my choice. the current ending gives all the lines to the reapers and shepard stands there speechless..

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Kenjison7 wrote...

Why only paragon? That would be rather unfair to renegades like me, maybe a dialogue choice instead

Well, if you read on, you might have found the link to the Renegade option. For convenience, I'll repost it here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9828647 

Modifié par Samuel_Valkyrie, 20 juin 2012 - 05:50 .

[Bad King]

Isn't that basically the control ending?

[frostajulie]

Wow! I really enjoyed the renegade ending but this ending gave me chills and made me tear up this was the ending we deserved an ending full of hope and optimism where our ability to persevere and unite the galaxy pays off. This is what it would have felt like if you could have actually won Mass Effect 3.

I lvoe this.

[blacqout]

No, it doesn't work for me.

The Catalyst has seen countless cycles. Shepard might see the Geth and Quarians currently working together, but the Catalyst has seen hundreds of conflicts that didn't end peacefully. He's arguing from a position that Shepard, and a large portion of the ME fanbase apparently, cannot understand.

For Shepard to sway the Catalyst would completely undermine the entire series.

[Kartzaz]

Only one word came to my mind "AMAZING!"
I like that ending very much

[Doctor Uburian]

blacqout wrote...

No, it doesn't work for me.

The Catalyst has seen countless cycles. Shepard might see the Geth and Quarians currently working together, but the Catalyst has seen hundreds of conflicts that didn't end peacefully. He's arguing from a position that Shepard, and a large portion of the ME fanbase apparently, cannot understand.

For Shepard to sway the Catalyst would completely undermine the entire series.

Actually, i don't think that it would undermine the series, just because the appearance of the catalyst already did that. 

The catalyst is not omnipotent, and even if it is, it can't be trusted.

[blacqout]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

blacqout wrote...

No, it doesn't work for me.

The Catalyst has seen countless cycles. Shepard might see the Geth and Quarians currently working together, but the Catalyst has seen hundreds of conflicts that didn't end peacefully. He's arguing from a position that Shepard, and a large portion of the ME fanbase apparently, cannot understand.

For Shepard to sway the Catalyst would completely undermine the entire series.

Actually, i don't think that it would undermine the series, just because the appearance of the catalyst already did that. 

The catalyst is not omnipotent, and even if it is, it can't be trusted.

The Catalyst was written as omnipotent and sincere. Sorry, but it's true. The alternative is that BioWare made an unwinnable game.

For a 30 year old man to lecture such a being on the nature of the galaxy and all the life that resides within it, is an absolutely ludicruous proposition. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

blacqout wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

blacqout wrote...

No, it doesn't work for me.

The Catalyst has seen countless cycles. Shepard might see the Geth and Quarians currently working together, but the Catalyst has seen hundreds of conflicts that didn't end peacefully. He's arguing from a position that Shepard, and a large portion of the ME fanbase apparently, cannot understand.

For Shepard to sway the Catalyst would completely undermine the entire series.

Actually, i don't think that it would undermine the series, just because the appearance of the catalyst already did that. 

The catalyst is not omnipotent, and even if it is, it can't be trusted.

The Catalyst was written as omnipotent and sincere. Sorry, but it's true. The alternative is that BioWare made an unwinnable game.

For a 30 year old man to lecture such a being on the nature of the galaxy and all the life that resides within it, is an absolutely ludicruous proposition. 

Omnipotent and sincere my ass. It's a damned computer AI program's avatar.

Bioware did make an unwinnable game. That's the fact, Jack.

"Now get the hell out of our galaxy. And stay out!" -- I prefer the renegade interrupt though with Shepard survival.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

blacqout wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

blacqout wrote...

No, it doesn't work for me.

The Catalyst has seen countless cycles. Shepard might see the Geth and Quarians currently working together, but the Catalyst has seen hundreds of conflicts that didn't end peacefully. He's arguing from a position that Shepard, and a large portion of the ME fanbase apparently, cannot understand.

For Shepard to sway the Catalyst would completely undermine the entire series.

Actually, i don't think that it would undermine the series, just because the appearance of the catalyst already did that. 

The catalyst is not omnipotent, and even if it is, it can't be trusted.

The Catalyst was written as omnipotent and sincere. Sorry, but it's true. The alternative is that BioWare made an unwinnable game.

For a 30 year old man to lecture such a being on the nature of the galaxy and all the life that resides within it, is an absolutely ludicruous proposition. 

Well, I disagree with your statement that the Catalyst was written as omnipotent and sincere. I am of the opinion that the character was trying to convince you of this. But, let's assume it is.

In which case, You, Shepard, are the first to reach this place. You are special. A new situation has come to be, and the Catalyst does not know how to proceed. You are special. The Catalyst hands the responsibility of the situation over to you.

Now, you get to pick one of three options.

You pick one of my Interrupts instead. 

Now, you argue that the Catalyst is working from a position that is, virtually, ununderstandable. But the point the Catalyst makes, is that said situation has ALREADY BEEN CHANGED. The posiiton that he holds, is no longer tenable. Which is why he has to leave the decision to someone else, namely you, Shepard. 

You argue that there is a possibility for a new status quo, one where organics and synthetics can live beside one another in relative peace. 

The Catalyst has no rebuke, because he has already found that his own position, I repeat, is untenable. 

I agree with you that the Catalyst works on a plane that we do not understand. Which is the strength of this argument, not its weakness. We do not fully understand what motivates him, and therefore, his decision to allow Shepard to at least give this statue quo he proposes a chance, is as unfathomable, but therefore, not in spite of it, within the realm of the character.

Modifié par Samuel_Valkyrie, 20 juin 2012 - 06:49 .

[SirCroft]

The writing could use some polish, but it's pretty good and would work for me. Kudos.

[blacqout]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

blacqout wrote...

No, it doesn't work for me.

The Catalyst has seen countless cycles. Shepard might see the Geth and Quarians currently working together, but the Catalyst has seen hundreds of conflicts that didn't end peacefully. He's arguing from a position that Shepard, and a large portion of the ME fanbase apparently, cannot understand.

For Shepard to sway the Catalyst would completely undermine the entire series.

Actually, i don't think that it would undermine the series, just because the appearance of the catalyst already did that. 

The catalyst is not omnipotent, and even if it is, it can't be trusted.

The Catalyst was written as omnipotent and sincere. Sorry, but it's true. The alternative is that BioWare made an unwinnable game.

For a 30 year old man to lecture such a being on the nature of the galaxy and all the life that resides within it, is an absolutely ludicruous proposition. 

Omnipotent and sincere my ass. It's a damned computer AI program's avatar.

Bioware did make an unwinnable game. That's the fact, Jack.

"Now get the hell out of our galaxy. And stay out!" -- I prefer the renegade interrupt though with Shepard survival.

The goal is to stop the Reapers, and that happens. You have an unusual definition of "unwinnable".

We would only have cause to call the Catalyst's honesty to question if BioWare wrote one in. That there is no way to ascertain the fact for sure, and certainly no reward for doing so - that pretty much does mean that BioWare wrote the exchange as being truthful. 

And i meant omniscient. He was able to choose a form that Shepard was familiar with. I see no reason to doubt that he knew what had been going on the galaxy.

He has seen countless cycles played out, presumabely in which synthetics and organics had been engaged in some sort of war. We're told that the same patterns played out in each cycle, and the Protheans were themselves in such a conflict. Concrete detail on anything that came before that wouldn't be appropriate.

For Shepard to not only argue, but actually pursuade this being, would be dumber than the ending we got.