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[plaguecaller]

Synthesis is the correct ending. (It's the real happy ending)
 
Why?...

Because the reapers are a solution to a cyclic problem that occurs every 50,000 years approximately.

Organic life we are told is chaos theory in action.

The reapers are the response to this Chaos in action. They do this by culling the most advanced races and leave the primitives alone in each cycle.

The kid tells us that the only way to evolve is to buckle organic and synthetic life together to form a new path which brings peace between the two factions. That will bring eternal peace.

Which means there is no need for a ME-4.
 
If Sheppard wants to have peace it’s the only choice he can make. The other choices just reset the established struggle. Synthetics will always be created and the wars will start again.
 
The kid said the old solutions will no longer work. The only new solution he presented was synthesis which he said would work.

 

Modifié par plaguecaller, 12 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[Ruari]

And you believe the kid why? I mean, he's the one controlling the reapers, aka the enemy. If Hitler said in WW2 the only way to stop the ****'s was to bomb England would you of believed him?

[DemGeth]

That's the way I see it. Eternal peace to the M.E. galaxy at least. Who knows? Maybe the synthesis ending means you end up creating a device like the Reapers in another galaxy millions of years in the future.

[John Locke N7]

plaguecaller wrote...

Because the reapers are a solution to a cyclic problem that occurs every 50,000 years approximately.

 

what the problem again? organic life being destroyed by sythetics?

yeah your right..... some one really needs to stop that reaper problem =0. i guess the best solution to the reaper problem is reapers.....

[Karrie788]

No. Just no. I'm not about to trust a Reaper, and I'm not playing God and changing the entire nature of the galaxy.

Of all the three endings this is the one I will never be able to pick.

And I love chaos. Chaos is life.

[TheDove]

I thought it was by far the -worst- option, and the least believable as well. I would never choose that option.

[Jadebaby]

wrong. Destroy is the only option as that was the orignial premise for the game AND allows Shepard to survive.

If you want to wipe your hands of this game after that ending (understandable) then yes, choose synthesize and move on with your life.

BUT, if you want to argue it because your hopeful at an actual ending that sticks to the lore of it's own creating. Then it's destroy,

Control can be an indoctrination attempt and so can synthesize somewhat. The reapers themselves are a hybrid of organic and synthetic. What kind of resolution is it to make everyone like that?
Furthermore, The catalyst can only be some kind of program, whether that be VI or AI wateva. Whose to say that the technology singularity effect will always continue IF the cycle they set in motion to prevent it from happening has been broken?

[blah64]

Sorry, but synthesis is about as evil as what the reapers do. Stripping the free will from every organic in the galaxy and force them into some hybrid state that many would reject? Shepard has been fighting for the right's of organic's to live and choose their own destiny. To just tear that all away is horrible.

Destroy is the only option that is morally defensible if you ask me.

(I think it's all an indoctrination dream anyway.)

[AdrynBliss]

fundamentally altering the DNA of trillions of people without their consent? not a recipe for peace.
The 'cycle' is broken if you create peace between the geth and quarians as it creates a historic precedent for the galaxy that synthetic and organic life can live in peace.

Modifié par AdrynBliss, 12 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[Pedro Costa]

I like how apparently playing god and deciding to change every being in the Galaxy on a fundamental level without even caring if they want it is the right thing to do.
I like even more how much sense it makes to believe on every word that the thing that's trying to kill you and that you've been trying to kill since ME1 says.

Oh, and I also like how the Geth and EDI prove the Reaper's theory (and yes, it *is* nothing but conjecture since, if said technological singularity had happened, no organic would still exist on the ME-verse) to be erroneous.

[YNation913]

my take on synthesis vs destroy: http://social.biowar...20815/1#9822310

[detroitmechworks]

To quote Saren: My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed.

In other words...

[Deltateam Elcor]

This isnt about what choice is best, two are wrong and one is right, the one shepard has been meaning to do for the last 3 years.

End of story.

[WhiteJoker]

The problem with that is synthesis does not actually address the core issue of creator vs created in any fashion. Sure, all life is now hybridized organic/synthetic however that doesn't prevent life from being created "artificially" or being born "naturally." I assume one can continue to pick up materials off the ground, manufacture a computer from it, and then program an AI which could gain sentience just as people will continue being able to plug organic parts into other organic parts and conceive children; the divide between organic and synthetic remains save it is no longer organic/creator and synthetic/created and instead merely creator and created. The issue is ideological and not genetic/molecular and simply changing one's form will not change mentality or belief.

It's kind of funny how they used the term indoctrination to refer to the Reapers' mind warping powers yet don't realize that's the very thing which would save the galaxy from such a creator/created war. Indoctrinate is, for most intents and purposes, a term used to refer to counter-culture socialization and that's the answer to an organic/synthetic conflict; the socialization or indoctrination of society to accept that life is life no matter how it came into being.

Modifié par WhiteJoker, 12 mars 2012 - 09:14 .

[Tamcia]

Yeah because all wars will stop. New life forms will not create something else to server them that might threaten them. Everyone will leave in peace..... Nothing changes, except it feels weird during sex. Will still be wars, murders thefts. If not a race war, an ideology war, or territory or something else.

Synthesis changes nothing.

[FFLB]

Well, with the Synthesis ending, it could make it possible for Joker and EDI to conceive a hybrid child of some sort. They just seem so content and happy while holding hands and staring off into the horizon, with Liara hanging around in the back. Also, if you had brokered a peace between the Geth and Quarians, you probably wouldn't want to wipe them out along with the Reapers.

Had it written differently, but due to forum errors, this is just the gist of it.

[Zyrious]

I dont think cybernetic rape of every living being in the galaxy against their will is the "good" ending. Does joker get to bone EDI? Yes. But they are probably the only ones happy about it.

Synthesis is about fear, about a lack of faith in who we are. Same with Control. Destroy is about hope and Faith, faith in humanity, the races of the galaxy, to overcome what the reapers were so afraid of they became monsters to prevent.

[Fishy]

Yet without Chaos there's no change. The Reaper are hypocrites , They need organic to evolve and change themselves. it's by harvesting organic that they change.

Like Sovereign said .. Organic wither and die .. At least we lives .. Hmm? not really . Outside of floating in nothingness for 50000 years the Reaper aren't doing much. Without Organic there would be no synthethic. Chaos serve a purpose.

Would you live in a Super controlled society? Not me.

Modifié par Suprez30, 12 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[TudorWolf]

blah64 wrote...

Sorry, but synthesis is about as evil as what the reapers do. Stripping the free will from every organic in the galaxy and force them into some hybrid state that many would reject? Shepard has been fighting for the right's of organic's to live and choose their own destiny. To just tear that all away is horrible.

Destroy is the only option that is morally defensible if you ask me.

(I think it's all an indoctrination dream anyway.)

And destroy goes completely against the Paragon Shepard's ideals by destroying the Geth after proving that they can coexist with us, and kills EDI too.

And don't even get me started on control being awful.

Frankly I find Synthesis the least of all evils. Joker and EDI seem fine (and happy!) afterward. People see it as some sickening change forced upon everyone. Of course, without a sodding epilogue to tell us how the endings actually turn out we'll never know for sure

[Fishy]

TudorWolf wrote...

blah64 wrote...

Sorry, but synthesis is about as evil as what the reapers do. Stripping the free will from every organic in the galaxy and force them into some hybrid state that many would reject? Shepard has been fighting for the right's of organic's to live and choose their own destiny. To just tear that all away is horrible.

Destroy is the only option that is morally defensible if you ask me.

(I think it's all an indoctrination dream anyway.)

And destroy goes completely against the Paragon Shepard's ideals by destroying the Geth after proving that they can coexist with us, and kills EDI too.

And don't even get me started on control being awful.

Frankly I find Synthesis the least of all evils. Joker and EDI seem fine (and happy!) afterward. People see it as some sickening change forced upon everyone. Of course, without a sodding epilogue to tell us how the endings actually turn out we'll never know for sure

But how does that prevent life and evolution to reappear and with the cycle to continue? This make no sense.

Modifié par Suprez30, 12 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[Karrie788]

TudorWolf wrote...

blah64 wrote...

Sorry, but synthesis is about as evil as what the reapers do. Stripping the free will from every organic in the galaxy and force them into some hybrid state that many would reject? Shepard has been fighting for the right's of organic's to live and choose their own destiny. To just tear that all away is horrible.

Destroy is the only option that is morally defensible if you ask me.

(I think it's all an indoctrination dream anyway.)

And destroy goes completely against the Paragon Shepard's ideals by destroying the Geth after proving that they can coexist with us, and kills EDI too.

And don't even get me started on control being awful.

Frankly I find Synthesis the least of all evils. Joker and EDI seem fine (and happy!) afterward. People see it as some sickening change forced upon everyone. Of course, without a sodding epilogue to tell us how the endings actually turn out we'll never know for sure

Well Shepard can survive with all the synthetic implants in his/her body. Maybe the geth will too.

[fish of doom]

the synthesis ending, while in spirit the best one, has been disproven in at least three different threads because it doesn't actually solve the problem stated.

[NoUserNameHere]

You just handed a brainwashed Shep over to the Reaper-baby goo vats.

[Bigdoser]

Karrie788 wrote...

No. Just no. I'm not about to trust a Reaper, and I'm not playing God and changing the entire nature of the galaxy.

Of all the three endings this is the one I will never be able to pick.

And I love chaos. Chaos is life.

Exactly I see control and synthesis as agreeing with the reapers. As renegade shep said trying to control/compromise with the reapers is a sure fire way to get yourself indoctirnated I think legion would approve of the destroy ending. I see the ending as harbinger trying to indoctrinate shepard I mean the child says destory will kill shepard yet low and behold shepard is a live lying in rubble plus it looks like london. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 12 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[clonedoriginzero]

in the synthesis ending, you don't really do anything to the reapers, they just notice you've been cyberized and are like "you can live...for now....WE'LL BE WATCHING THO LOL!" the reapers could just change their mind at any time and come back to kill you all if they decide the synthesis wasn't working as planned.

destroy is the only real choice in this. as others have said. it sucks you're killing the geth, but its a necessary sacrifice for the good of the entire galaxy.