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[Red Templar]

At the very end, the famous astronaut, Buzz Something (Sorry) does a voice over to a child, explaining that he just told the legend of "The Shepard" (who saw that coming, right?). Which I think by using a famous Astronaut was symbolic and important. The other endings don't use this voice over. 

Buzz Aldrin. His voice being used is the only good thing about the way this game ended IMO. But anyway, I got that same voice over on my red and blue endings. It isn't green ending exclusive.

Modifié par Red Templar, 12 mars 2012 - 09:57 .

[815Sox]

Remember, Aldrin helped Shepard in a new age himself and participated in an event that unified many together. That same event also was a race against time featuring two forces that were opposed to each other. The Western World was in a situation that felt as if the world could end any day. 


Also, I do agree that this may be the happy ending. Remember, the energy that was sent out was the essence of Shepard. Shepard was the only person able to unite the galaxy. My Shepard never compromised his beliefs. His only mission in life was to foster peace and justice while protecting the unprotected. He sought and eventually did unite the galaxy under this mission.

That energy was sent out throughout the galaxy. I think that is important to note. Shepard provided the basis for this new DNA.

Synthesis did not strip free will.. The embrace of EDI and Joker was very symbolic. It is the only ending where Joker did not look distraut. It did imply something bad. Also, the uniting of the Geth and Quarians was very symbolic. Talk answering Legion that the Geths question that they did have a soul was a major turning point for both sides.

TIM was the ultimate corruption of Shepard. He was a xenophobic POS that ultimately only sought for self gain. He used the the banner of specisim to hide this. Very Hitleresq. Much of ME was about acceptance and coming together. TIM was the antithesis of this.

Modifié par 815Sox, 12 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Tallestra]

Everyone is talking about the fate of organics in the synthesis ending. But can someone explain to me, how Geth and EDI are incorporated with organics? They are not robots, they are AI, programs. Are they getting organic bodies now? Or they are incorporated somehow in our bodies? So we now have double personality each? Or maybe they are just some additional neuronal system in our bodies? Even if it's some kind of symbiosis, who rules the body?
And that the problem even if you accept that you have moral right to violate species uniqueness against their will, and accept the ridiculous space magic.
It's such a clear case of bad writing where writers simply didn't think through their ideas.

[Alexraptor1]

- We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution.

Yeah... the whole star child thing just keeps looking more and more like Harbinger in disguise, desperately trying to save himself.

Modifié par Alexraptor1, 12 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[Tahleron1]

KainrycKarr wrote...

 Because it's not like we completely disproved the theory of organics being perpetually betrayed by synthetics by uniting the Geth and Quarians or anything.

Oh....wait.

1 exception over a sample size of billions of years always disproves the bad guys....

And that being said, the Geth actually prove the reapers right, take Shepard out of the equation and those 2 kill each other.  It'd be akin to using one benevolent dictator as reasoning for why dictatorship is a quality form of government (conveniently ignoring all those other times)

Modifié par Tahleron1, 12 mars 2012 - 10:11 .

[CronoDragoon]

815Sox wrote...
Also, I do agree that this may be the happy ending. Remember, the energy that was sent out was the essence of Shepard. Shepard was the only person able to unite the galaxy. My Shepard never compromised his beliefs. His only mission in life was to foster peace and justice while protecting the unprotected. He sought and eventually did unite the galaxy under this mission.

Synthesis did not strip free will.. The embrace of EDI and Joker was very symbolic. It is the only ending where Joker did not look distraut. It did imply something bad. Also, the uniting of the Geth and Quarians was very symbolic. Talk answering Legion that the Geths question that they did have a soul was a major turning point for both sides.

TIM was the ultimate corruption of Shepard. He was a xenophobic POS that ultimately only sought for self gain. He used the the banner of specisim to hide this. Very Hitleresq. Much of ME was about acceptance and coming together. TIM was the antithesis of this.

1. Your Shepard believed that splicing the DNA of synthetics and organics together without their consent was the way to unite the galaxy, instead of cooperation, diversity, tolerance, economic symbiosis?

2. Synthesis did not "strip" free will but the act of synthesis disregards it completely. Also, it's completely BS, from a non-philosophical viewpoint, that Joker and EDI are shown smiling and enjoying the view at all. They have no clue if the Reapers or Alliance won, they have no clue how many of their friends are dead or alive, they have no clue if Earth is destroyed or not, etc etc etc. It's supposed to be symbolic of a new civilization starting, but in this case symbolism killed any type of emotional realism and character consistency.

3. Your TIM part seems to be a different point, but I'll take this from it: Coming together and becoming one are completely different things. Even Shinji Ikari at the end of Eva rejects Instrumentality because he would rather have the diversity of his friends and family around him, even if it hurts him at times. There you have it, guys, Shinji Ikari has bigger nuggets than Shepard!

[commanderkai]

Synthesis Ending summary:

"We are the Borg. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile."

Modifié par commanderkai, 12 mars 2012 - 10:14 .

[MattFini]

TheDove wrote...

I thought it was by far the -worst- option, and the least believable as well. I would never choose that option.

I chose it ... kind of half-heartedly and for no real reason.

And I instantly regretted it.  Re-loading and doing the "destory" felt ever so slightly more satisfying.  

[CronoDragoon]

Tahleron1 wrote...

1 exception over a sample size of billions of years always disproves the bad guys....

And that being said, the Geth actually prove the reapers right, take Shepard out of the equation and those 2 kill each other.  It'd be akin to using one benevolent dictator as reasoning for why dictatorship is a quality form of government (conveniently ignoring all those other times)

1. Uh, yeah, one exception does prove the bad guys wrong when they claim something is inevitable. An exception, by definition, means something is not inevitable.

2. "Guys, take out the reason the peace happened and the peace doesn't happen." Shepard is an organic who forged a peace between synthetics and organics, and he wasn't the only one who wanted it (Tali, that one General who I forget). You are effectively saying, "take away the organics and synthetics who want peace and you always get war." Um....ok...?

[dkear1]

Synthesis is slavery. You are making a choice for all (synthetic and organic) and forcing them against their will with no say in the issue. This is morally wrong on so many levels that it would take weeks to spell out.

[Genome852]

Who says God-child can't make mistakes?

He claims synthetics will always destroy their masters, yet we brokered a peace between the Geth and the Quorians.

Did he also foresee Shepard making it to the last part of the citadel, where he can make the three choices? No...he says that by seeing Shepard manage to survive that far, he learned that his "solution" was flawed.

Synthetic ending is horrible.

Modifié par Genome852, 12 mars 2012 - 10:16 .

[Ryan546]

Yeah cause everyone being part cyborg wouldn't detract from the diversity or anything. I'm personally or destroy or even better. A NEW ENDING!!

[asminho]

there is no real ending in ME 3 bc all of them suck. i cant understand why they made its so complicated. just make the crucible shoot and then all reapers die and be done with it. we dont need any more. so if they didnt have time bc deadline this will have worked.

[LucidStrike]

Don't accept The Catalyst's logic. The Catalyst is stupid as hell.

Shepard had just secured peace between the Geth and the Quarians, and EDI and Joker were just beginning a well deserved life together.

Also, chaos is not inherently bad (as it is what makes the universe as we know it possible and gives us at least a semblance of free will), which is another thing Shepard should have had the sense to say.

The only reason I chose synthesis was because control didn't interest me and Bioware inexplicably decided to make 'Destroy the Reapers' into 'Destroy all synethetics', and I wasn't about to sacrifice EDI and the Geth just to save myself...but that just booted us all into the Matrix. Ugh.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 12 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[Red Templar]

Tahleron1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

 Because it's not like we completely disproved the theory of organics being perpetually betrayed by synthetics by uniting the Geth and Quarians or anything.

Oh....wait.

1 exception over a sample size of billions of years always disproves the bad guys....

And that being said, the Geth actually prove the reapers right, take Shepard out of the equation and those 2 kill each other.  It'd be akin to using one benevolent dictator as reasoning for why dictatorship is a quality form of government (conveniently ignoring all those other times)

The one exception is the only example we have to go on, and as long as that exception can remain an exception then the rule is fallable.

Sure, without Shepard they end up killing each other. But the fact that Shepard can broker peace and that the geth then prove to be supportive to organic life is important. The Reapers don't "save" us from the cycle because it is highly probable that synthetics will wipe out all organics, but because they think it is inevitable. The reapers are taking a series of "often" and "probably" from galactic history and extrapolating it into an "always", and the only way we can reject their flawed premise is to the kill the group of synthetics that stand a chance at proving them wrong.

The reapers are indoctrinated by their own cause. Like TIM, they believe they are the sollution but are perpetuating the problem they exist to solve. Through their intervention, such as controlling the geth, they both force and escalate the organic-synthetic conflict.

[Kalantos]

Let's assume you made decisions that would grant you the most war assets, as I did for my first run through the game. In this case, all of the endings undermine previous decisions/experiences.

Destroy: Undermines the Geth/Quarian peace.

Control: The whole game Shep believes that the Illusive Man is a fool for attempting to control the Reapers.

Synthesis: Remember the Genophage? If it wasn't cured, I'm pretty sure this would cure it.

[Priisus]

So... Saren is right after all? Sorry that I killed you buddy.

No I can never choose Synthesis, especially after playing through the Genophage arc.

[shadey]

blah64 wrote...

Sorry, but synthesis is about as evil as what the reapers do. Stripping the free will from every organic in the galaxy and force them into some hybrid state that many would reject? Shepard has been fighting for the right's of organic's to live and choose their own destiny. To just tear that all away is horrible.

Destroy is the only option that is morally defensible if you ask me.

(I think it's all an indoctrination dream anyway.)

it didn't destroy free will.

you can clearly see joker and edi emerge from the ship and they look happy together, nothing mindless about them.

it combined synthetics and organics, like catalyst said it was the pinnacle of evolution.

[mjustini99]

I'll admit seeing Joker and EDI with their arms around each other was very touching and cute in the synthesis ending, but somehow I feel the "Shepard survives" seems to be the perfect true ending, given the requirements to get it.

Honestly, why should we believe the kid? He actually implied that Shepard might die since he was partially synthetic (not necessarily from the citadel being destroyed, but from the synthetic killing shockwave that would be generated). Actually I'm curious if EDI emerges from the normandy crash landing if you do the destroy ending. That would prove either the kid is lying ... or it's a bug or something...  so I don't think it's really a given that the Geth and other synthetics other than the Reapers get wiped out by the destroy ending.

Modifié par mjustini99, 12 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[Arokel]

I'll reply the same why I did to a similar thread.

I like my meat bag body just the way it is thank you very much!

A more rational argument would be this. What have we been fighting for in all three games? Many people would say "saving all sentient life". That is not the heart of the fight though. It is about fighting for the "humanity" of all sentient life. The Reapers do not just kill sentients.  They harvest them and  turn them into machines.  They take away that which makes them "human".  That fundamental quality that makes us different from machines.

Imo the ending you claim to be the best is in fact the worst. In this ending we sacrifice the very core of what we have been fighting for .


edit: accidently posted incomplete

Modifié par Arokel, 12 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[Nimrodell]

I just find it funny how people who dislike Synthesis ending keep calling on not trusting the star child for it... So for the endings that are more convenient for them they actually choose to trust star child, not questioning it (star child could've lied on those too - like it tells for destroy option, Shepard chooses it, shots that thing and instead of destroying Reapers as that star child said it would happen gets even worse scenario, same goes for control too - c'mon Shep, you can control Reapers and bang, Shep actually bites it like TIM, puts her hands on those rod and loo! she actually dies and Reapers along the Catalyst can go on with their job of wiping organic life). I know it's easily to say I wouldn't trust that thing (and it can be justified - after all, synthesis ending brings in the most of unknown and unexplained variables for players), but really if we're not going to trust for synthesis, then we can't trust for other options too, why would we? It's either you trust or not... it's silly to take that argument to support belief that that is doom and gloom for all organic life.

[Red Templar]

it didn't destroy free will.

you can clearly see joker and edi emerge from the ship and they look happy together, nothing mindless about them.

it combined synthetics and organics, like catalyst said it was the pinnacle of evolution.

It doesn't destroy free will, but it goes counter purpose to it. Because you play God and force it on the entire galaxy.

The reaper god child says that synthesis is the pinnacle of evolution (just like a certain other perpetrator of genocide thought that aryans were the paragons of humanity, sorry to Godwin), but if that is the case it can and should happen on its own under the agency of the galaxy's inhabitants. The fact that you have to force it means it isn't evolution, it is interferance.

Modifié par Red Templar, 12 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[FREEGUNNER]

In a way it solves the reaper problem but eventually there would be no organic-ness left as we would converge toward being 100% synthetic due to technological singularity.

[KingNothing125]

Detha wrote...

The other endings don't use this voice over.

Yes they do, so everything else you wrote doesn't mean anything.

[savaged49]

I believe control is the best outcome for one reason in particular...It's the only one in which the citadel is not destroyed.

Think about it the destroyed citadel has a chance of heck destroying earth considering its orbiting, not to mention the fact you save any potential citadel survivors at the same time. Also being that the citadel is a mass relay it could be potentially used to create new relays much quicker if not be used itself to send all the fleets home.

And i for one believe Shepard can be trusted as the reapers new master, if anything he has merged with the catalyst if not become the catalyst himself. Who knows maybe he will destroy the reapers or use them to replace all the destroyed relays.

Also i cant see shepard sacraficing the geth and edi for the destroy ending.