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[dkear1]

plaguecaller wrote...

Oh, and the we aren't special line......well, we are the first to stand on the citadel so I think we must amount to something.....don't you?

just means we got lucky that's all.

Rack it up to luck or any other thing you like.  If there is a first, there will be a second and so on.  If it was just a total fluke then why is the kid admitting that things won't work anymore?

Anyway this is irrlevent to the topic.  Synthesis takes away choice and self determination and Shepard wouldn't go down that road.....at least MY paragon Shepard would not

[plaguecaller]

Where was it ever stated your self determination is going to be taken away? No where that I saw.

[Rawgrim]

dkear1 wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

Yet she survives this supposedly "Destruction of synthethics".

You would think that one would have been youtubed by now given its such a huge plot hole. So you should be able to prove it.- otherwise its just unsubstantiated hearsay from you,

While this argument is amusing it is offtopic and thus irrelevent. 
Personally I hope if the ending does get changed I will be able to nuke the reapers while still savinig EDI and the geth.

You did get that ending. Just not in the way you think. http://social.biowar...728/1#9842308   Read here.

[kramerfan86]

I find it convient the reapers still exist in the synthesis ending purely under the star child's control still so when his stupid "solution" doesnt work he can just purify the galaxy again.  That's a pleasent thought.

[Red Templar]

dkear1 wrote...

Anyway this is irrlevent to the topic.  Synthesis takes away choice and self determination and Shepard wouldn't go down that road.....at least MY paragon Shepard would not

Agreed here. Plus I find the prospect of a galaxy populated by Saren-brand cyborgs where the reapers are present, free and purposeless to be more than a little troubling.

[dkear1]

plaguecaller wrote...

And play nice and stop the 2x4 ****. If you can't present proof for your side of the argument then put on your big boy pants and admit it. Slinging insults just invalidates your argument more.

I already provided proof.

If you think the 2x4 was insulting then you have a low threshold when you are wearing your own big boy pants/shorts.

If proof is insulting someone or making excuses then......no you haven't. 
Where are the codex entries on what synthesis does?  What are is drawbacks or side effects?  Can people be controled by others as a result of it?  I have not heard any responses to questions like these.  This is why bioware should never have sprung some out of the wild blue yonder nonsense at the 11th hour.

[MastaMike92]

 Destroying them results in Shepard living and the Reapers destroyed, how could anything else be better? I guess it all comes down to personal oppinion.

[Red Templar]

plaguecaller wrote...

Where was it ever stated your self determination is going to be taken away? No where that I saw.

This has been pointed out to you.

It isn't that it takes away their individual free will.

It is that you, as a player, are forcing this on every living being in the galaxy without those living beings getting a say in the matter.

That takes away their self determination as species, as cultures, and as nations by forcing them to conform to what you have chosen for them.

[Rawgrim]

MastaMike92 wrote...

 Destroying them results in Shepard living and the Reapers destroyed, how could anything else be better? I guess it all comes down to personal oppinion.

Exactly. Destroy is the only correct choice. the reapers win if you pick anything else. Its also the only choice where Shep lives. Plain and simple. The other two do no real harm to the reapers, hence Shep dies.

[dkear1]

plaguecaller wrote...

Where was it ever stated your self determination is going to be taken away? No where that I saw.

I did not say YOUR self determination, but rather OTHERS self determination.  You are making a choice that permanently alters others.  Make sense now?

[Sawtooth357]

My problem (well, not the only one) with the synthesis ending is, how does it work? How does a shockwave install cyborg components in the bodies of all sentient races? And biological matter in synthetic races? The series has always been very good about fleshing out its technology. Take Element Zero, which has very defined properties, that do not change. From that we get all kinds of incredible tech, all from the basic premise that this particular substance creates fields to lower or raise mass based on electrical current. There are other technologies that are explained in pretty good detail, from biology to computing.

I'm not trolling, I just don't understand how sending a pulse through the entire gate network somehow achieves synthesis in all sentient species.

Modifié par Sawtooth357, 13 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[dkear1]

Rawgrim wrote...

MastaMike92 wrote...

 Destroying them results in Shepard living and the Reapers destroyed, how could anything else be better? I guess it all comes down to personal oppinion.

Exactly. Destroy is the only correct choice. the reapers win if you pick anything else. Its also the only choice where Shep lives. Plain and simple. The other two do no real harm to the reapers, hence Shep dies.

I couldn't agree more.  Reminds me of the the movie Armageddon when bruce willis pushes the button on the nuke and says: "We win Gracie."

[kramerfan86]

Sawtooth357 wrote...

My problem (well, not the only one) with the synthesis ending is, how does it work? How does a shockwave install cyborg components in the bodies of all sentient races? And biological matter in synthetic races? The series has always been very good about fleshing out its technology. Element Zero has very defined properties, that do not change. From that we get all kinds of incredible tech, all from the basic premise that this particular substance creates fields to lower or raise mass based on electrical current. I'm not trolling, I just don't understand how sending a pulse through the entire gate network somehow achieves synthesis in all sentient species.

Indeed, the synthesis ending is the first time they dont try to create some reasonably believable science to explain an action.  Element Zero is of course ficticious, however the entire universe is very believable based upon how its explained to act.  Its stunning that after making such effort to explain the fictional science behind so many of the things in the universe they basically fall back to a "ooooo magic!" situation.

[Rawgrim]

Sawtooth357 wrote...

My problem (well, not the only one) with the synthesis ending is, how does it work? How does a shockwave install cyborg components in the bodies of all sentient races? And biological matter in synthetic races? The series has always been very good about fleshing out its technology. Take Element Zero, which has very defined properties, that do not change. From that we get all kinds of incredible tech, all from the basic premise that this particular substance creates fields to lower or raise mass based on electrical current. There are other technologies that are explained in pretty good detail, from biology to computing.

I'm not trolling, I just don't understand how sending a pulse through the entire gate network somehow achieves synthesis in all sentient species.

It doesn`t work. thats the thing. The Catalyst is just trying to make Shep pick the wrong choice. Its telling lies all over the place.

[dkear1]

Sawtooth357 wrote...

My problem (well, not the only one) with the synthesis ending is, how does it work? How does a shockwave install cyborg components in the bodies of all sentient races? And biological matter in synthetic races? The series has always been very good about fleshing out its technology. Take Element Zero, which has very defined properties, that do not change. From that we get all kinds of incredible tech, all from the basic premise that this particular substance creates fields to lower or raise mass based on electrical current. There are other technologies that are explained in pretty good detail, from biology to computing.

I'm not trolling, I just don't understand how sending a pulse through the entire gate network somehow achieves synthesis in all sentient species.

Exactly, introducing "space magic" at the end of series that has defined rules and played by them for 3 games is flat-out poor writing.

[dkear1]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

Where was it ever stated your self determination is going to be taken away? No where that I saw.

I did not say YOUR self determination, but rather OTHERS self determination.  You are making a choice that permanently alters others.  Make sense now?

Do i trust the galaxy Mankind to save itself?
That's what the catalyst Eliza was asking.

The truth is, i don't know.

After everythin i've seen, all the fighting, and the chaos around me, i only know what i want to believe: somehow, human decency will triumph.

These past few months, i faced man life-threatening situations. I could have given up many times, but my need to save the world know the truth, to uncover the secrets that Cerberus others was hiding, and to survive, forced me to keep on going. Most of the time, i tried to keep my values in mind, knowing my actions did not have to harm others. I held on to my humanity, resisting the urge to abuse power or resources in order to meet my goals. And in the end, i got the job done.

But does this mean i have the right to choose for everyone?

No.

Because it isn't up to me. It isn't up to Illusive Man Darrow,  Sarif, or Taggart, either.

Ordinary men and women will have to decide together what course the galaxy mankind should take. The kind of people who, time and time again, have picked and chosen the future in highly practical ways - slowing change when it's negative, speeding it up when it's good. Can they do it again? I don't know. But i do know i'm not about to let anyone in this station, myself included, stand in their way.

Exactly, this is a perfect real life example of why synthesis is a terrible idea.

[PARAGON87]

I just can't choose synthesis, it seemed like we're conforming to the Reapers' desires, merging organics and synthetics.

I.e. Reaperization.

[Torga_DW]

The problem with the synthesis ending, is it just isn't a logical solution to the problems of conflict. Synthetics were already fighting each other in the series, look at the geth vs the geth heretics. They were both synthetics, therefore by childgodcitadelheyihadtoomuchlsdagain's logic, there shouldn't have been a conflict in the first place.

Conflict is the result of free will and the ability to form different opinions, not the origin of your species. The synthesis option was completely meaningless.

[ticklefist]

I agree, of the options available green is the happy, hopeful ending. Hell, my avatar came from a green ending SS. It was still a clumsy ending that had nothing to do with any choices we'd made prior.

[Rawgrim]

ticklefist wrote...

I agree, of the options available green is the happy, hopeful ending. Hell, my avatar came from a green ending SS. It was still a clumsy ending that had nothing to do with any choices we'd made prior.

The war assets played a part, though. If you have too few of those, Shep doesn`t wake up on earth after the credits.

[dkear1]

Rawgrim wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

I agree, of the options available green is the happy, hopeful ending. Hell, my avatar came from a green ending SS. It was still a clumsy ending that had nothing to do with any choices we'd made prior.

The war assets played a part, though. If you have too few of those, Shep doesn`t wake up on earth after the credits.

Only on the destroy option not on the other two.

[PARAGON87]

Rawgrim wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

I agree, of the options available green is the happy, hopeful ending. Hell, my avatar came from a green ending SS. It was still a clumsy ending that had nothing to do with any choices we'd made prior.

The war assets played a part, though. If you have too few of those, Shep doesn`t wake up on earth after the credits.

My war assets were 7,000+ and I never had Shepard wake up.

[PARAGON87]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

I agree, of the options available green is the happy, hopeful ending. Hell, my avatar came from a green ending SS. It was still a clumsy ending that had nothing to do with any choices we'd made prior.

The war assets played a part, though. If you have too few of those, Shep doesn`t wake up on earth after the credits.

My war assets were 7,000+ and I never had Shepard wake up.

What was your EMS number ? (war asset * %multiplayer)

Your EMS must be 4000 or 5000 depending if Anderson is "saved" 

Shoot, I didn't touch multiplayer, so i guess 7200 x .50 = 3600.

That seriously stinks if I have to play multiplayer to get the best ending.  Yeesh.