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[Cosmochyck]

MACharlie1 wrote...

The ironic thing is that that homosexual males got more new options then a heterosexual female. Interesting...

Definitely interesting.  And I find it a total cop out on BW's part to just take existing characters and make them available to both M/FShep.  All of a sudden Kaidan/Garrus realize how hot Sheploo is? 

That seems "off' to me....but hey, my Shep's love died in the hospital - AFTER HE SAID IN ME2 that that is NOT how he wanted to go!  She then lost all will to live - or play. 
The pathetic amount of dialogue with Thane was abysmal, and even with Kaidan, there were so many convos where it was just "played out" for me - no dialogue wheel/choice when it came to responses. 

*pours a new mug of whiskey and heads into Life Support*

[Femmefatality07]

CassandraPentigast wrote...


Start blogs - raise your voices!

Yes ma'am! As soon as I can figure out why my I can't connect my old blog to my new one.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Cosmochyck wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

The ironic thing is that that homosexual males got more new options then a heterosexual female. Interesting...

Definitely interesting.  And I find it a total cop out on BW's part to just take existing characters and make them available to both M/FShep.  All of a sudden Kaidan/Garrus realize how hot Sheploo is? 

Garrus is straight.

[Ilysail]

MACharlie1 wrote...

The ironic thing is that that homosexual males got more new options then a heterosexual female. Interesting...

New options for femshep would have been nice, though id argue id rather have a LI carry over from previous games than have them available only for the finale.
but yea Vega at least should have been an option for femshep.

I always figured that a romanced Thane could be persuaded to get treatment by femshep.... doesnt he say in ME2 there are surgical options to at least extend life?
And theres no justification for what was done to Jacob, just pure character assassination.

Modifié par Szaiu, 13 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[mauro2222]

LoL, the lesbian romance was for heterosexual males.

[ravene]

ill repost this from another thread

the facts are bioware droped the ball big time on ME3 all the way around the auto dilog alal Zaeed for most of the game i never talked to zaeed or kasummi for this verry reason in 2, was anoying and took away the choice for alot of the game do i want to just walk up and click on someone to hear what they have to say or do i want to talk to them and have a choice what my char says since its game that has been marketed on chocie.

but for straight femshep's they really not only droped it they blew the bridge after droping it. we get scripted death, being cheeted on dumped and having salt poured on that open wound with the new gf talking to shep, and no new li in 3 if you dident keep kaidan alive. i cant see how anyone at bioware though this was a good idea.

Modifié par ravene, 13 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[utaker1988]

My FemShep feels discriminated against. She is appalled by the obvious glass ceiling that was put up by BW. She is good enough to put her ass on the line for the galaxy but not good enough to be treated fairly in the relationship department. She is also pretty upset that after all this time she can't even get a promotion. (I know the Cerberus thing might be held against her but before that she defeated Sovereign).

What does she get for all her efforts... trollface.jpg. She romanced Thane in ME2 and in all her various reincarnations she chose Thane everytime. Goes to show you that my FemShep is not a tramp. She wasn't interested in how the others would go because she already knows the Thane romance in ME2 is exactly what she's been looking for. She waits out 2 years and gets told that all romances would be treated equally. Out comes ME3 and what happens? What happened to her Thane? The one who if romanced was not so accepting of death anymore, who had "awaken", he had something to live for, Shep and Kolyat. This man she meets in a hospital..where he didn't want to wither away in, is accepting again. WTF???? What did you do to Shep's Thane? She's wondering if this is some poor twist on the Where's Waldo game.

Ok, he's accepting again so how about that equal treatment she heard all about? NOT there, one convo, Paragon Interrupt Kiss, and another kiss that makes her look like a hungry animal seeing food for the first time in days, he fights Kai Leng, he dies. His death scene barely differs from a "friend only" Shep's scene. She is now distraught. Her love died and she didn't get her equal treatment. She gets on the Normandy, sees his name on the Death Wall and cries, goes into Life Support to weep. Not only for the loss of her love but the chop job BW did to him.

If this isn't bad enough, NOBODY remembers him. Sigh, she sees Garrus at the Death Wall and he talks about Ashley...Wait? Did I just hear that right? Ashley? My poor saddened and lost Shep plays out to the end of the game and in her flashbacks, the last face she sees is Liara's? Huh? What about Thane? Could anyone remember him other than that troll Kai Leng. The game ends, she dies a hero and from the beyond by Thane's side she remembers that she didn't get an achievement for this romance? Really? Screwed again, apparently he didn't count. Again she sees trollface.jpg.

My Shep reflects, she remembers how she sent Jacob through the vents knowing how it would end. Knowing that he wouldn't make it to ME3 and realizes that in hindsight it was a mercy killing. I bet if her squaddies knew how it would go in 3, they would have fought each other to go into the vents.

[thejoyrider]

Always loved BW games ability to make a female character and have a complete and satisfying game/story experience, but ME3 completely missed the mark...which is a shame especially considering this is when they finally started to publicly recognize the female Shepherd in promotional materials. ME1 was a huge step forward for females in games, ME2 was an even bigger leap...ME3 was a step backwards......off a cliff.

[Vovea]

mauro2222 wrote...

LoL, the lesbian romance was for heterosexual males.

I agree. I really liked Traynor's character until the shower scene, then I reloaded and played chess with her instead.

[Cosmochyck]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Cosmochyck wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

The ironic thing is that that homosexual males got more new options then a heterosexual female. Interesting...

Definitely interesting.  And I find it a total cop out on BW's part to just take existing characters and make them available to both M/FShep.  All of a sudden Kaidan/Garrus realize how hot Sheploo is? 

Garrus is straight.

Sorry, my bad. 

[Soma Holiday]

Femmefatality07 wrote...

Wow. That IS insane. C'mon. I support my better half tapping Miranda and Morrigan. Kaidan was alright, and I've got nothing but love for my Turian bro4life...BUT DAMN!

Give me an outlet too! I don't have a muscular guy with a sexy voice or sexy looks in real life. **** this, Im going back to replaying the hell out of Dragon Age. Alistair, I'm so glad you exist.

Indeed.  I have never really liked Kaidan, he is whiny...and Garrus is my bff.  I would have gladly romanced Mordin given the chance, but instead I ended up with Thane, and over time I actually really grew to care about him, so him just being pushed aside so they can add more women for manshep to romance is infuriating, especially considering those new characters are so unappealing and typical.  Thane deserved better, as did Jacob.  I just don't understand where the development time was spent, considering a lot of the models were the same as 2...

you can't tell me they didn't have time to extend Thane and Jacob's romance plots.  I mean none of the romances are all that long anyways, so what gives?  Its like they're saying "JK!  You silly woman, you thought you could have an emotionally satisfying experience in this game?  Nope!  Now either get it on with these lesbians or accept your fate, which is to be depressed and alone while manshep takes his pick of the ladies (and men) in the crew."

Alistair seems to be the only romance bioware has ever gotten right for women imo, I had hoped ME3 would add a few more but they clearly stopped caring about their female fanbase a long damn time ago.  Ah well, after the disappointment that is this game I really don't see myself giving a crap about bioware anymore so...on to better things.

[sakuragrrl]

Cosmochyck wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

The ironic thing is that that homosexual males got more new options then a heterosexual female. Interesting...

Definitely interesting.  And I find it a total cop out on BW's part to just take existing characters and make them available to both M/FShep.  All of a sudden Kaidan realize how hot Sheploo is? 

This I agree with, BW does cop out alot lately. I understand they want to make everyone happy, but to all of a sudden turn their straight characters bi is a cop out.  I know their games are fantasy and all but in real life not everyone is gay/straight/or bi. They should use their heads a little more. But what they should have done from the start is make it fair for everyone, not change a characters sexuality because they got too lazy to create new characters. Or the new characters they created should have been made available as an option. That way at least those that wound up with Jacob or Thane had at least some options to choose from.  Actually I think they should have left out some of the charactres that didn't matter or impact the story in anyway, like allers. She just took up space. They should have focused on already established characters. 

Modifié par sakuragrrl, 15 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[PsyrenY]

wildannie wrote...

Can you IMAGINE the outcry if Tali broke it off with Shepard because Kal Reeger had got her pregnant?

That would actually be hilarious.

But face it, Jacob just wasn't a popular LI and Bioware have the numbers to prove it.
I'm confused as to why so many Femsheps are lining up to be his Plan B anyway.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 15 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[Doveberry]

I was actually surprised by the way femshep romance was handled in this game. And not in a positive way. Bioware seem to have a fairly substantial female playerbase compared to other game developers (perhaps because of their focus on story), and it surprises me that they would suddenly just ignore that. I haven't seen such an unfair balance of romance options in a bioware game in years, and it really saddens me that this would happen in the last installment in the series.

[Dyscrazia]

My first play through of ME3 Paragon Shep had stayed true to Kaidan even though Horizon was a kick in the teeth. But the whole time I'm playing I know that the next play through I do will be my renegade Shep who romanced Thane. That first game, when all's said and done with Thane at the hospital, I cried. I cried not because it was touching or special, but because I knew that it would not be any better when my in-love-with-Thane Shep said goodbye. I was disgusted. Do I mind that he died? No, we always knew that was an option. But the complete lack of recognition, as stated so eloquently by previous posters, was worse than the ending of the game! And I do feel terrible for those who had an attachment to Jacob. That was a TERRIBLE situation. What happened, BW? What happened...

[Nightdragon8]

I'm going to get flamed for this I know.....

But in a way doesn't it add to a Tragic Heroine story for Femshep?

[Dyscrazia]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

I'm going to get flamed for this I know.....

But in a way doesn't it add to a Tragic Heroine story for Femshep?

Oh, the fangirl in me wants to throttle you right now... but the English literature major in me is intruiged.  Yes, it does make her a bit of a tragic heroine.  Specially if we never get our "happy" ending.  I'd never thought of it that way, and I don't think it's a bad way to look at it, though it's not the way I really want to.

[PrinceLionheart]

Vovea wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

LoL, the lesbian romance was for heterosexual males.

I agree. I really liked Traynor's character until the shower scene, then I reloaded and played chess with her instead.

I just watched it on youtube. People talk about "The Prize" all the time, but the Traynor sex scene looked like something straight off of skinemax.

[PrinceLionheart]

Doveberry wrote...

I was actually surprised by the way femshep romance was handled in this game. And not in a positive way. Bioware seem to have a fairly substantial female playerbase compared to other game developers (perhaps because of their focus on story), and it surprises me that they would suddenly just ignore that. I haven't seen such an unfair balance of romance options in a bioware game in years, and it really saddens me that this would happen in the last installment in the series.

I know a lot of people won't like me saying this, but the FemShep romances have always been written in a perspective of a Guy playing the female character. It's not coincidence that the most popular romance is with the character that a lot of the guys already consider their Bromance. 

[Cryorex]

Male Shepard:
Female: Ashley, Liara, Tali, Diana
Male: Kaiden, Cortez
(I'm still pissed that they made Kaiden Bi. I thought he was like a brother to me type relationship. That wen't out the window.)

Female Shepard:
Female: Liara, Traynor, Diana
Male: Kaiden, Garrus


So let's say your straight.
Male Shepard:
Ashley, Liara, Tali, Diana

Female Shepard:
Kaiden, Garrus

I can see you're point.
Only 2 straight options for Fem Shep. And 4 straight options for Male Shep.

It's Liara's fault though.

That's the pain of how they started the game. One female for male, one male for female, and one female for both (Liara).

Modifié par Cryorex, 17 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[Visii]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

I'm going to get flamed for this I know.....

But in a way doesn't it add to a Tragic Heroine story for Femshep?

Tali and mShepard can have a tragic romance, if Shepard sides with the geth over the quarians.
Jack and mShepard can have a tragic romance, if Shepard doesn't go to Grissom academy in time.

There is no option to save Thane, and worse, no real extended conversation before the Kai-Leng encounter for a femShep that romanced him. There is no option to fight for Jacob, or to even  articulate femShep's anger or hurt on the matter. The relationship was just DONE, it was nothing she did, she couldn't have seen it coming, and didn't help it come to pass. 

The difference is there is no other option for FemShep, no other path.

It's just not fair. This series has always been about options. Ash or Kaidan on Virmire. How many live or die during the suicide mission in ME2- if Shepard lives or dies at the end of ME2, for that matter. And for the most part, that carried through ME3- Jack can be captured, tortured by Cerberus and killed by Shepard + CO. But she can also live, content with her responsibilities and her kids. Miranda can die at the hands of Kai-Leng, or she can be reunited with Oriana and live.

There is no justifiable reason as to why FemShep's romanced are destined to failure or to end prematurely. None at all. Not when MShep has other, happier, more satisfying options.

Options = the name of the game. And here, for some terrible reason, Bioware didn't deliver.

Modifié par Visii, 17 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[22percent]

Cryorex wrote...


Female Shepard:
Kaiden, Garrus

I can see you're point.
Only 2 straight options for Fem Shep. And 4 straight options for Male Shep.

Except you can't start a romance with Garrus in ME3, it has to be carried over from ME2. So there's really only one male option for femShep if you want to start a romance in ME3.

[AtlAggie]

I agree that straight FemSheps totally got the short end of the stick in the Romance department, and it's very disappointing. Do they just think there's less of a market/demand for them? Were the writers just oblivious to the inequity of the situation due to a failure to consider the straight female perspective?

I'd also argue that even if you have a FemSheps who is gay or bi, the romance options are of lesser quality (if not quantity) than BroSheps. Sure, FemSheps who are romantically interested in women have more options, but as I understand it they aren't very "high quality" options in terms of scenes, dialogue, etc. Cortez's romance is supposedly much more fleshed out than Traynor's, and Allers doesn't seem to have much substance either.

The general sense from the comments I've read seems to be that the most engaging romances are Liara, Kaiden & Ashley. BroSheps can romance all three of these options, but FemShep is limited to either Liara or Kaiden (and if Kaiden is dead in your playthrough, then you're limited to Liara if you want a "quality" romance and didn't romance Garrus in ME2).

Anyway, just an observation that FemShep got shafted in the romance department no matter what her orientation. The fact that Bioware DID do a good job with some of the romance storylines makes this all the more disappointing.

[the_red_one1223]

22percent wrote...

Cryorex wrote...


Female Shepard:
Kaiden, Garrus

I can see you're point.
Only 2 straight options for Fem Shep. And 4 straight options for Male Shep.

Except you can't start a romance with Garrus in ME3, it has to be carried over from ME2. So there's really only one male option for femShep if you want to start a romance in ME3.

Or none, cause you know, you could've killed off Kaiden in the ME and thought that Thane would've been an awesome choice no matter what happened and oh look at that, Thane's dead. Thanks for stabbing my first Shepard's bf with a sword, Bioware.